Mixing with CD's

[Masdefi]

I don't know how CD mixing consolle works and I probably do not know at the moment how could be possible, for example, to let the entering song superpose the actual one on the same bpm. For example, the vinyl record is kept stopped while the turntable is turning and just at the first beat of the breakdown of the actual song I let the entering record superposing on the other. I wonder how this could be possible with CD if you do not "feel" it under your fingers.
Sorry, I'm so vinyl-man...
Hope to be clear, cheers

[DJ P]

Hi Masdefi, On 'CD' mixing (regardless of the player or brand), it takes 'practice' (in fact, alot of!!!!). I delt with vinly for years til cd's took over. Yes LP's are friends since the 'LP's' allowed us to achieve alot of 'special effects'. We could 'echo', 'rim' (or 'phase') or otherwise play with the mix and make are own. Without 'specs' or 'details on the mixers' the details. all that a buyer can rely on is the word from other users. I noticed in one of you earlier posts you asked about 'noise'. Well noise can result from a device, connection, cables or a combination of all. I myself, am hearing impaired. I have no problems in clubs (in fact I have a plus in that I have the ability to 'read lips' v.s. actually 'hearing' the said word). With the volume in clubs, the noise is definatly less noticable. At home, I 'crank' my system to be able to make out the 'cue' points on the vinly or cd to make the mix. Myself, I have never noticed any problems regarding 'noise' with the 'Numark' CD-1 mixing console. I have done several mixes on 'Discomusic.com' using the 'Numark'. If you heard them, it would give you an ideal of what the Numark can accomplish. All the best, DJ Phil (Phil)

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: DJ Phil on 2002-05-01 17:29 ]</font>

[NickNack]

Hi Masdefi,

I've had my Pioneer CDJ 500II CD players for quite a few years. I didn't replace my Technique 1200's but hooked them all up together. So, two turntables, to CD players, using a Stanton-Vestax mixing console. It's the best thing I've ever done with my system as I can have the best of both worlds.

Mixing with CD's does take time and like DJ Phil, I at first had a Numark. I believe it was their very first model and sadly, I should have waited because it had too many bugs in it. The Pioneers are excellent and that new 1000 model is awesome. I know I'll upgrade when the money is right.

You can treat the CDs like vinyl because the Pioneer has a "Pause", "Cue" and the "Jog Wheel". These three elements allow you to "hold and release" your CD just like you did the vinyl while the turntable was spinning. As far as noise and volume, the majority of CD's are pressed "hot" so I keep my line gain for the CD players lower than the turntable gains. This compensates for the lower pressing in the vinyl as the Master Volume rarely, if ever, needs to be changed.

CD players also offer a lot of effects you can't get from turntables: loops, samples, pitching with a "Master Lock" so that the vocals/instruments don't change tone. Pioneer also offers a mixing console made for the CDJ series giving you a lot of the above features plus auto BPM counting.

As far as MP3 mixing --- I've used PCDJ, Traktor by Native Instruments, Virtual Turntables and some others. Although I like the idea, I find this style of mixing VERY difficult if you're going to keep it in manual mode. All the controls are extremely sensitive. Now, if you're going to pre-program it and allow the software to "run your night", that's another thing. Depending on what you have, the software will do a simple "fade in/fade out" to actual beat-mixing with the parameters you choose to set (length of mix, volume shifts, etc.) This is nice but no fun, IMO. You're not really involved with what's going on. Hell, I wouldn't pay me to do this all night.

_________________
Dancin'... A Thing To Free Your Mind

Nicky

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: NickNack on 2002-05-01 20:56 ]</font>

[Masdefi]

On 2002-05-01 20:53, NickNack wrote:
Hi Masdefi,
I've had my Pioneer CDJ 500II CD players for quite a few years.
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: NickNack on 2002-05-01 20:56 ]</font>

I went on the Pioneer web site and I found the CDj 500: is it only one player? or is it double player? has it the input jacks for two turntables? if it is just mono cd then $599 X 2.... :sad:

[Masdefi]

On 2002-05-01 17:25, DJ Phil wrote:
I have done several mixes on 'Discomusic.com' using the 'Numark'. If you heard them, it would give you an ideal of what the Numark can accomplish.

Thanks a lot Phil. Please let me know how to hear your mixes.
Masdefi

[Giovanni]

I went on the Pioneer web site and I found the CDj 500: is it only one player? or is it double player? has it the input jacks for two turntables? if it is just mono cd then $599 X 2.... :sad:

Pioneer CD players are the 1200s of today. They are expensive but worth the money. I payed about US $ 800 for my couple of 1200s back in 1981, and they are still perfect!!! It means US $ 40 per year. SO CHEAP!!!

[rhessel]

Hello:

About mixing MP3, I have been involved in this subject since last Tuesday.

I downloaded the ATOMIX MP3 FREE Version (demo), and it is unbelievable what can you do with it. It has BPM counter, even before playing the song, auto beat matching, auto pitch matching and reseting.

Download the demo version, try it and then tell how did you feel. I have no connection with the manufacturer.

The downloading site is http://www.atomixmp3.com/download.htm

and good mixes.

Hope to hear your comments about it.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: rhessel on 2002-05-02 12:10 ]</font>

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: rhessel on 2002-05-02 12:11 ]</font>

[Masdefi]

On 2002-05-02 12:07, rhessel wrote:
The downloading site is http://www.atomixmp3.com/download.htm
Hope to hear your comments about it.

Hi rhessel,
I went on that site but the download page is not more available. Please check yourself if you can.
How big is the downloaded file? Maybe you can send me by email, but in this case I'll give you another address (bigger).

[NickNack]

On 2002-05-02 03:18, Masdefi wrote:

I went on the Pioneer web site and I found the CDj 500: is it only one player? or is it double player? has it the input jacks for two turntables? if it is just mono cd then $599 X 2.... :sad:

Hi Masdefi,

The CDJ 500's are one player. They are not 'double deck' players like the Denon or the Numark. You should think of them as turntables, which means you would need two. The connect to your system the same way any turntable would but they do NOT go in the phono jack. You use your line or auxillary jacks. Believe me, they are worth the money.

[JussiK]

[/quote]

Pioneer CD players are the 1200s of today. They are expensive but worth the money[/quote]

People come on please! Nothing and I repeat nothing can ever take the place of 1200's - Amen. Mixing with cds...would you really be seen in public doing something as uncool as THAT!?

[Masdefi]

On 2002-05-03 01:20, JussiK wrote:

Pioneer CD players are the 1200s of today. They are expensive but worth the money[/quote]

People come on please! Nothing and I repeat nothing can ever take the place of 1200's - Amen. Mixing with cds...would you really be seen in public doing something as uncool as THAT!?
[/quote]
Hi JussiK,
I agree with you. I've seen last week how the DJ works with. It's really a different way to work, but I also think that in the future that's the way, unfortunately. And I must say this, even if I am a vinyl-DJ, as you know and my records collection is about 90% vinyl! The best would be to have the two worlds, as Nicky said. I think I'm gonna try the Cds mixing anyway.

[rhessel]

Hi Masdefi:

I am so sorry I made a mistake when typewriting the link, please follow this one

http://download.com.com/3000-2139-9464751.html

The file size is 3.51MB and might worth a try because there are so many features and it is so easy to use.

Hope this help you.

[Masdefi]

On 2002-05-03 06:04, rhessel wrote:
http://download.com.com/3000-2139-9464751.html

Thanx. I have downloaded and I will try it. I'll let you know, I saw also there are many different types of skin on the site to download. It is nice!

[Giovanni]

People come on please! Nothing and I repeat nothing can ever take the place of 1200's - Amen. Mixing with cds...would you really be seen in public doing something as uncool as THAT!?

Jussi, come on please!!!!
If you can't spin CDs it's not my fault! You better practice!!
I am not a dj anymore, but you, a world famous spinner, you can't say that!!!
I recently saw Mr Dimitri from Paris working with 3 Technics and 2 Pioneers. You can use both vinyls and CDs together, but you have to learn how to use the Pioneers instead of avidly watching old trash porn movies!!!
Hey dj friends, learn how to CD mix, if you don't want to me named old fashion djs, like that one from Finland!!!!
And remember, this advice comes from who spun only vinyls and now owns almost 10000 12s and LPs and no more than 300 CDs.

[NickNack]

On 2002-05-03 01:20, JussiK wrote:People come on please! Nothing and I repeat nothing can ever take the place of 1200's - Amen.

Oh, yeah, I remember preachin' and screamin' about how "I AIN'T EVER GONNA GIVE UP MY VINYL!" It took me forever just to buy a player for home use. When I'd be in the stores 'hunting', inevitably a salesman would say, "You know, we have this on CD." "And why would I want THAT" was my reply, with lots of attitude.

Mixing with cds...would you really be seen in public doing something as uncool as THAT!?

:lol: Well, yes, actually I would, and I have. Lots of fun for me, especially the first time, just to see if I really could bring these two worlds together. People were amazed and three other jocks from my era were absolutely floored. As I was working they wanted the '411' --- how it all worked, listening to the sound - vinyl vs. cd, watching me create a sample to work a mix... they got into it big.

You'll come around sooner or later hot shot. You're probably just pulling our legs and already have your setup waiting in the wings. Wanting to make that 'Grand Entrance'...