12" vs. CD....the saga continues...

[BrunoRepublic]

Okay, but that still doesn't say anything about CDRs damaging a regular CD player. I've read a lot of discussions about CD burning, and I've never heard anything about CDRs causing harm to a player.

[efunk_adelic]

I do have a comment about CDR's as a matter of fact.


I average about 2 new discs for my listening enjoyment a week to play in my car... however I don't take care of them only because you can get 50 of them for $20.00.


Every now and then I stop by Tower Records/Wherehouse Records... and buy a Brand New CD... and the CD won't play in my car. :evil:


1 out of 10 CD's won't play in my car... and they look like new????? However, I can copy the new CD on a CD-R and it works... lol

[sutnop]

Originally Posted by StuckIn1979

This is really depressing. I've been thinking all along that recording my vinyl onto CD would be a great way of preserving my vinyl, plus I thought they could be played indefinetly with nice sound quality...along with a little more durability than cassettes. Now, it sounds like we're better off just recording on a cassette tape instead? Also, these CD's actually "damage" your CD player?

the Problem is all media is Effected by the hands of time
and the newer the media the shorter the lifetime.....

Ofcourse this is not a problem for the Record Companies and the general public....
because people that keep old 'unpopular' records like us are just considered an unecersery perversion of the music industry....

All Media Wears out
CD's and Hard Disks have a liftime of 15-20 years. However they don't wear out in the same way a vinyl wears out slowly wehere as a CD works one day and the next day it doesn't work.....

The Media Which has the best preservation quality is
Stone, Paper, followed by Vinyl and Wax.

I mean the ideal thing would be to have your vinyl records transformed into Wav files on the cpu and then printing out the code and storing the code in archives so that future generations long after our time is forgotten might once again discover disco music.....

Or you just buy High Quality CD-R
Record all your vinlys on them playthem until boredome
make a backup of all the wav or mp3 files on your HD. and then Re-Record them on new CD-R discs every 10 years.
considering you use good CD-R Discs

10 years shouldn't be of threat to your CD-R's,,,,,,,,

[sutnop]

Originally Posted by efunk_adelic

I do have a comment about CDR's as a matter of fact.


I average about 2 new discs for my listening enjoyment a week to play in my car... however I don't take care of them only because you can get 50 of them for $20.00.


Every now and then I stop by Tower Records/Wherehouse Records... and buy a Brand New CD... and the CD won't play in my car. :evil:


1 out of 10 CD's won't play in my car... and they look like new????? However, I can copy the new CD on a CD-R and it works... lol

Thiis is a clear sign of a mechanical error in the cd player
the mechanics of the cd players work differently but in your case I must consider it something like this

when you first started playing CD-R's the TOC of the CD'r must of been positioned a few nano meters diffrently to that of the default CDs.
Good CD's Players have a built in function that the optic lense can move around these few nano meters until it finds the TOC file.
(For example really old low-budget discmans are almost impossible to play some CD'R's in since they do not have this function)

Now as for your CD player it probably had this function and then something (dirt/dust) got inside a stopped it from being able to move those nano meters....
and its new default position was that of the CD'R's.
As for the fact that the newest Cd's Don't work is probably because the Record Industry must of moved their TOC position a bit further away from the old positon of the CD'R's

Hope this Enlights more then It Confuses... :)

[efunk_adelic]

thanks for the feedback sut,

your reply was a little confusing but I'm sure that if I read it another 10 more times... I'll finally get it, LOL

[Rab]

Another reason why I liked the 70's so much, the 70's were so much simpler...if we could only go back and buy 1 extra copy of everything, lol...

[The Nickel Shoe]

everything went more easy in the disco, everyone was happy and full of love, we were like a big family, aggressive is the word for today.....

[DJ Jimmy M]

I would have to agree 100%. The world today and with today's youth is utter shit (such as the majority of the music today). As for 12" vs CD's?? Well, a 12" vinyl is always gonna be best for any DJ cause ya cant really spin with CD's and if you do it's purley cheating the skill and art of it. Wouldnt any DJ's here agree?

DJ Jimmy M

[QUINNY]

I wouldn't totally agree. Surely, today's CD players make it just as tactile as vinyl used to be and without doubt CD is better sounding overall. Sure, you can't find everything that was on vinyl on CD, but I still maintain that generally speaking, the stuff which hasn't found its way onto CD was the crappier end of the market which nobody but real intense disco followers would or should want. Some things are best forgotten.
I guess a Double CD player and 2 decks would keep everyone happy?

[DJ Jimmy M]

"the stuff which hasn't found its way onto CD was the crappier end of the market which nobody but real intense disco followers would or should want. Some things are best forgotten."


Over in the United States the only stuff that's made it to CD and is still avalible on CD is that pop mainstream garbage that I wouldnt even concider disco music..the stuff that basicly brought the whole disco sucks thing about (ring my bell, boogie oogie oogie, YMCA, saturday night fever soundtrack,etc). I mean I notice you are from England so alot of decent stuff is avalible over there on CD (far from all but some). Alot of your mainstream wasn't over here and most of your mainstream was decent (aside from the stuff that was here as well )

"I guess a Double CD player and 2 decks would keep everyone happy?"


How can you possibly mix with a CD player and tape deck?? I mean the CD is possible and alot of todays DJ's do it but it totaly kills the crafting and skill and creativity of it all. I mean come on..automatic BPM matcher???????? Could easaly give one of those things to my 10 year old cousin and he'd be mixing real good within less than a year! Get what Im saying? Where's my old buddy DJ Phil Esparza from Ca? He'd back me up on this 100%. Phil, if your out there still and reading this, make a post man LOL.


DJ Jimmy M

[QUINNY]

in error

[QUINNY]

If someone had given me an automatic beat mixing gizmo don't you think I and every other jock would have used them back in the day? Damned right we would of....and then we would have either (a) found some other way of making us sound unique or (b) concentrated much more on our programming or (c) found something else that appealed and kept us loooking busy or (d) flirted with more women (or men) if that was the reason we were jocks.
You've got to admit that the new CD players really let you play around with the tracks if you have the imagination.

Some people would say that Disco music with its consistant metronomic beat killed the art of mixing/segueing and the art of programming to boot. That steady tempos killed real dance music. That DJs killed real music and artistry (it takes more real skill to be a musician). Don't forget, in the early and mid '70s DJs were hated by musicians who saw these 'talentless bastards' taking away all their work prospects. We weren't trusted by any musos and were made to feel like 5th rate citizens. To be a DJ wasn't an honourable profession.

I've imported lotsa CDs from the U.S.A. Don't Americans like importing from Europe or something?

By decks I meant record decks, not tape decks.

[DJ Jimmy M]

Well it's just a matter of different oppinions and styles id say. I DJ for the whole art of mixing and just the feel and emotion doing a set can bring. Not for the fact of lookin to get chicks, etc. There is alot you can do with vinyl that you cant do with a CD that adds flavor to the mix. There are many DJ's today that will only take even the current stuff on vinyl for that reason. But like I said, its a matter of style and oppinion. You like your CD mixing, I like my vinyl mixing. No One's right and no one's wrong in this discussion. Again, it all boils down to oppinion and styles you decide to go with. And as for impoting CD's..they cost a hell of alot to get imports LOL.

DJ Jimmy M

[QUINNY]

DJ Jimmy: I've never mixed with CD, but I'm sure I'd love to. They give a jock more possibilities than vinyl ever did.

Imports cost a lot....(not written to offend) so you guys over there are just cheapskates, eh? :D

[Rab]

A little while ago I bought the latest Linda Clifford CD that has her greatest hits on it. You know, if these manufacturers have the ability to put a lot of music on one CD, I can't understand why they would cut Don't Give It Up? Instead of 8 or 9 minutes long, they shorten it to about 5 minutes or less. What a dissappointment! Saturdany Night Fever comes on only one disc...yet the have to shorten some of the songs on other CD's. That's really cheap