Let's Rap

[Paulo]

90's rap is:



rythm : 100% good grooves (or beats)

"vocals" : uninteristing talk

"music" : it just doesn't exist



So, if we could apply some interesting instrumental music or vocals to rap music, it would become a good style (which could not be called rap anymore)... maybe something like the 70's funk.

[Outsider]

I just can't seem to stop posting messages on this thread. Anyways, I remember reading a review of Eminem's album, and the critic that wrote the review said that the album was great because Eminem was "putting all of his forbidden thoughts on record" or something like that. This particular critic thinks that Eminem is like the greatest thing ever and was outraged that Eminem didn't win the best album Grammy last year (the artist that actually deserved it won it, which was Steely Dan). That gives me an idea. I should write and record songs about "forbidden thoughts". If I wrote and recorded songs about, say, disembowling people and hacking them with meathooks and enjoyment from watching them bleed to death, would music critics say that I'm just putting my forbidden thoughts to songs? Nah, they would say that I'm just plain disgusting, but that's because I would be playing rock instead of rap. By the way, I don't have thoughts of disembowling people. I was just trying to make a point.

[paul]

It's time to come clean outsider. You have some rap music in your "closet" don't you?

[Outsider]

On 2002-02-03 02:17, paul wrote:

It's time to come clean outsider. You have some rap music in your "closet" don't you?

Yeah. I'm actually a total hardcore rap fan, and I want to be a gangbanger on top of that (lol). Seriously though, I do like Rage Against The Machine, who use rap-style vocals, but they don't count because they're a rock band first. I've also probably seen more rappers than most rap fans, but that's because of festival shows such as Lollapalooza and Family Values, which mainly feature rock bands but usually have at least one rap act in each edition.

[originalbigm]

Interesting comments.It got me to thinking as to how would someone rapping out Nazi propaganda to a groove beat would be treated.As you may or may not know here in Canada we have so called hate laws which prohibit espousing hateful views through the media against races,religions,cultures,etc.

We have had people prosecuted successfully under these laws.I'm sure someone somewhere has included these in their raps.Don't know for sure as like most of you I don't have a fondness for the rap scene and don't tune into it.I certainly don't support someone doing this but if someone who vocalizes through print,radio or media such views can be prosecuted would the same happen if they rapped it.Interesting?One could argue as rappers and music critics do they are simply vocalizing forbidden thoughts in an artistic medium.The endless stream of bullshit that our society accepts never ceases to amaze me.

[Outsider]

On 2002-02-03 03:44, originalbigm wrote:

Interesting comments.It got me to thinking as to how would someone rapping out Nazi propaganda to a groove beat would be treated.As you may or may not know here in Canada we have so called hate laws which prohibit espousing hateful views through the media against races,religions,cultures,etc.

We have had people prosecuted successfully under these laws.I'm sure someone somewhere has included these in their raps.Don't know for sure as like most of you I don't have a fondness for the rap scene and don't tune into it.I certainly don't support someone doing this but if someone who vocalizes through print,radio or media such views can be prosecuted would the same happen if they rapped it.Interesting?One could argue as rappers and music critics do they are simply vocalizing forbidden thoughts in an artistic medium.The endless stream of bullshit that our society accepts never ceases to amaze me.

I bet that if someone wrote rapped out something like Nazi propaganda (key word being "rapped"), the music critics would call that person a true artistic genius who is only showing his view of the world. That person's album would get a four-star rating by the critics and be hailed as a landmark in music. Now if it were a rock act writing songs like that, they would be trashed by the critics for writing "hateful garbage". I can bet on both of those things.

[Funky Dude]

Outsider, you've wrote some interesting comments. Now if the racist issue was removed when critics make their comments on that modern disgusting rap then that sort of rap that would get as much bumrap as modern hard rock of the same calibre would. On top of that Enimem will be egged by the press, wouldn't that be cool hehehe. I reckon this racist thing being attached to rap has been blown out of proportion and should be removed so the critics can make their REAL comments on this sort of crap that people call rap, and I bet these critics would really say Eminem is vile, disgusting and very very negative.



Hmm... I wonder, if a critic made some negative comments on Eminem, would Eminem sue the arse of that critic?

[Graham_Start]

On 2002-02-03 06:19, Funky Dude wrote:

Hmm... I wonder, if a critic made some negative comments on Eminem, would Eminem sue the arse of that critic?

I doubt it. Eminem thrives on negative publicity, and openly admits to it. He said in an interview something along the lines of "Everytime someone tries to ban me, everytime a relative sues me, that's just more albums sold for me".



The reason why rap music is so popular these days is that is "resonates with today's youth" -- meaning, it drives your average teenage parents' crazy. Today's parents aren't disturbed by displays of sexuality, transgendered pop stars, satanism, or hair metal, so gangsta rap is about the only thing left with any shock value. And shock sells.

[HustleBaby]

Outsider,

I forgot to mention to you that your average rock star (which I have listed) CANNOT sing! All they can do is SCREAM into the microphones and bang up their equipment! They are just like rappers, exploit women for financial gain. Rockers have had women in cages with spike collar leases around their necks, smeared their bodies with hamburger meat, using objects on them and all kinds of wild shit!!!! So I cannot understand the mind set of a groupie either. Both groupies and video girls are being used by both groups to entertain themselves and the average male. I know nowadays everyone wants to blame rappers for their excessive sexual/violent lyrics and videos BUT rockers have been vile and disgusting way before rappers came along!



Speaking of Eminem, if his cds were cursing Jewish people and placing Hitler on a pedestal than he would have been history. That means no awards, sell-out concerts, no future contracts, Dr.Dre would probaly be blacklisted etc...Yes he would have record sales by those ignorant a**holes who don't understand or don't care about the evils Hitler caused.



Like Funky Dude said, If rap can go back to how it used to be during its early stages, I would find it entertaining again!



*DELIGHTFUL*