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Hi guys....i've bought this record last week in paris..for those who like ayers stuff,no problem you have to buy it.....
it's a real joy to see disco release in 2005 :cry: ....long life to BBE label.... :D :D
http://www.bbemusic.com/data.pl?release=RR0026LP
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Volume 2 is supposedly out at the end of May.
Underground Hit [Level 5]
Roy had a deal with Polydor where he only had to deliver finished stereo album masters. Later on, when Polydor purchased his session master tapes, he only delivered the master tapes that matched the finished stereo masters.Originally Written by QUINNY
Roy has alternates, unfinished tracks and everything you could imagine from his 70s-80s period.
I wish Stevie Wonder felt like giving us HIS unfinished and alternate sessions from the 70s and 80s. I remember in the VH1 classic albums documentary "Songs in the key of life" hearing Mike Sembello and Herbie Hancock remember playing on songs that were NOT RELEASED on Songs on the Key of Life (the sessions they were working on), or any subsequent releases.
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That album is an absolute must have for all Ayers fans.
I play it to death. Why the stuff wasn't released originally is beyond me - there's definetely nothing wrong with it! :D
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Except much of it it only just average IMO, with nothing much right with it. having said that, it makes it difficult to understand why he released what he did. I imagine Ayers was being pushed from lots of different directions and this lead to much of his released output in the Disco era being very poor and goddamned repetitive.
Gold Record [Level 7]
Hmmm...You really surprised me here Quinny. I've always pictured you as a jazz funkster. Sure, some of the Ayers stuff from the period in question may have been a tad on the repetitive side but isn't that the actual idea of dancable music in the first place? Too many odd fills and disharmonic chord changes could easily have spoiled the fun a bit and as we all know, Ayers wasn't (or isn't) exactly Ornette Coleman rightExcept much of it it only just average IMO, with nothing much right with it. having said that, it makes it difficult to understand why he released what he did. I imagine Ayers was being pushed from lots of different directions and this lead to much of his released output in the Disco era being very poor and goddamned repetitive.
He does what's supposed to be done IMO....no more no, no less. I guess that's why I like his stuff.
Chart Hit [Level 6]
Virgin Ubiquity is a very good CD, you obviously don't like Roy Ayers much as it is as good any of his 70's LP's.Except much of it it only just average IMO, with nothing much right with it. having said that, it makes it difficult to understand why he released what he did. I imagine Ayers was being pushed from lots of different directions and this lead to much of his released output in the Disco era being very poor and goddamned repetitive.
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I guess I don't like much of Ayers output during the Disco era exactly because it wasn't that jazzy, or that funky and I always had the impression of Ayers simply attempting to cash in and coming up with slightly formulaic material. I simply don't understand his god-like status. Rightly or wrongly.
Running Away never did much for me musically as a record, except the beautifully understated (fender?) chords during the the break/vibes solo. The record used to get on my nerves in many ways, but mainly 'cos it would be one of those records that pimply youths, trying to be hipsters would request and I let the whole scenario surrounding it, get under my skin and irk me, I guess. You could say I developed a phobia about the record and Ayers. Totally irrational, but it's stayed with me.
I could live without ever hearing doo-be-doo..run, run, run again.
Double Platinum Record [Level 9]
It always amazes me how record companies shelve good tracks; I recently purchased a remastered CD of MJ's 'Thriller' & it features a Michael Sembello song 'Carousel' that I think is really good but it was left off the LP & apparently there are several others that didn't make the LP & never saw the light of day again as trends moved on. There must be 100s of tracks like this from many artists; what a shame when you consider the drivel that gets released these days! :evil:
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I'm almost with ya Quinny. I like Roy and while I don't dislike some of his disco attempts as much as you, I think his other stuff was better. I never got all excited about Running Away or Freaky Deaky the way others did. I much preferred In The Sunshine, Searchin', and even Cincinatti Growl.
Find them and destroy them!
Chart Hit [Level 6]
Different strokes for different folks - if you aren't big into Roy or any artist I certainly wouldn't try to talk you round. However, it is rather silly to say this album is "avarage" if you're not that into the act in the first place.
If you're a fan of Roy this is a great CD to add to your collection and much better than anything else he has released in the last 20 years as a solo act. 8)
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But, Roy Ayers should have been exactly what I should/would/could have been into.
Try telling the acid jazz brigade that he's made nothing that's any good in the past 20 years. Different strokes..... I agree.
Chart Hit [Level 6]
I might well have been what you should have liked, but you didn't, did you? So why claim this "new" LP of unreleased material isn't up to scratch? It's clear Roy has enormous fanbase who will enjoy this material as much as they did his 70's releases.But, Roy Ayers should have been exactly what I should/would/could have been into.
Try telling the acid jazz brigade that he's made nothing that's any good in the past 20 years. Different strokes..... I agree.
I don't understand you're last comment. What tracks might the Acid Jazz brigade site as good examples of Roys work from recent times?
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It's simple really. He's the Uber God of Acid Jazz and what I meant was, I guess a number of these guys have probably picked up on some of his more recent outings and liked them. As for specific tracks, don't ask me....I'm not a fan, remember?
As for critcising and not being a fan.....how ridiculous to assume that only fans can praise or chide. Against the best in either Jazz or Funk or Disco or Jazz Funk, I'd personally put him relatively low down on the list, as I don't personally think his music (that I've heard) is that special. Therefore, it's easy to say that the CD in question has nothing new, innovative or special as very little of his output has been truly stellar IMO. In other words, to me he's more or less an also ran, albeit maybe better than most. Did many people play his records in discotheques BITD and get them to run? Sure, he was played by the (very few) Jazz Funk DJs and the odd release was picked up by a few others, but with the exception of Running Away, Don't Stop the Feeling (how bloody repetitive is that?)and maybe Can You See Me, what else got played out a lot? There was a definite buzz around him, but it never seemed fully justified or proven.
My own favourite is possibly Coffy Is The Colour simply 'cos I like the fast chord progression at the end of every other bar (know what I mean?).
Chart Hit [Level 6]
The acid jazz thing was just a bit of a joke at the start, which sadly became a generic term for old soul and funk tracks, pretty much like the term rare groove became a marketing man's dream. Roy Ayers was there long before that nonsense and has always had a solid fan base, in the UK at least. Only people who listen to 'jazzfm' would class him as acid jazz. :lol:
Anyway, his Virgin Ubiquity has been well received and I for one think it's a quality LP. Don't want to talk anybody round, mind. :D
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Sorry mate, but it's like me saying the new Oasis LP isn't up to scratch. I'm never liked them, so it would be a meaningless and pointless statement. However, I think you never like to miss the opportunity to say something current (especially a re-issue) is average/overrated - and if it was any good it would have come out in the 70's and YOU would have known all about it. That is what you come out with more or less every time I look on here.
By the way, the reason you can't name any tracks that the Acid Jazz brigade like of Roy’s from the last 20 years is that you are (once again) talking out your backside. The DJ's on that scene would be likely to play his 70's/early 80's albums.
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So what would invalidate your assumption that the latest Oasis CD isn't up to much, so long as you compared it to something else that is current? It would just be your opinion. What would be the big deal? In any logical interpretation, a fan is always going to be less objective than a non fan.
Anyway this is all semantics. I don't think Ayers is that hot, that's all. The world isn't gonna stop spinning.
Give me Montana's Heavy Vibes any day (and no, I really didn't appreciate most of his Salsoul outings, but with that record he made an absolute classic on many different levels, IMO). Even North End's Tee's Happy (it's the vibes) has more of a real deal feel to it than any Ayers stuff I've ever heard. Ol' Roy's never pushed all my buttons. :cry:
Ayers was a fake!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Aah, I'm just getting into this!
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