My one and only download was:
Miroslav Vitous - New York City
I had William DeVaughn's "Be Thankful" lined up to download, but luckily I got it on a compilation CD 2 weeks ago.
Shame, that's it's gone, eh?
Seeing that Audio Galaxy is no more, I was wondering what was the last song you've downloaded from Audio Galaxy before it went down the tubes?
Mine was:
Ritchie Family - Peanut Vendor 1975
Now that Audio Galaxy is down the tubes, I'm going to have to save my money and import CDs and records from USA.
My one and only download was:
Miroslav Vitous - New York City
I had William DeVaughn's "Be Thankful" lined up to download, but luckily I got it on a compilation CD 2 weeks ago.
Shame, that's it's gone, eh?
If it moves - funk it!!
Stephanie Mills - Pilot Error
cause I wanted someone to hear it and couldn't find my 12" in a timely manner!
Last song i downloaded was: Jorge Ben - Taj Mahal + Filho Maravilha + Pais Tropical
Nice song, and i wanted to download more from Jorge Ben, but no more audiogalaxy....
Last song downloaded?....Actually none. I prefer to give the artists thier 'due' by BUYING thier 'copywrighted' work eithier online or in a regular CD shop. We might still have 'Dance Groove Radio' (and alot of other 'Internet Radio Stations') if more people BOUGHT the music vs DOWNLOADING it for free. The music is the artist's trade/work/job/buisness. Wouldn't you love to work and save to open a store, then someone comes in with an 'Audiogotthisthroughtheweb' card and just takes your merchandise for free? I doubt that you would. Radio (vs old style or internet) promotes the songs for us to BUY. Sorry about my 'ranting' but that's the whole ideal of message boards.
OH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I feel terrible, but we shouldn't complain. We were thiefs (and that's what we were) for a while and we got away with a few free songs. Don't worry, something else will pop up and we can go back to stealing other people's work.
Hello Nonkel808:
This is just an additional information. Jorge Ben has changed his name to JORGE BENJOR. It is only a change in his artistic name.
Cheers,
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If the one track I downloaded was available in a CD shop, I would have bought it.On 2002-06-18 06:47, DJ Phil wrote:
Last song downloaded?....Actually none. I prefer to give the artists thier 'due' by BUYING thier 'copywrighted' work eithier online or in a regular CD shop.
I think these media (AG, etc) have an important role to play in the development of music.
If you can't actually hear a certain song in the first place, and with rare disco music that is difficult these days, how are you going to be able to discover new tracks?
At least the consumer is fighting back against these large uncaring music companies
If you like a specialist music, there's no way you can rely on these companies who just like to push out MOR dross ....![]()
Power to the people I say! Let them make up their own minds what to listen or download or buy!!
And talk about STEALING - in the UK we pay around £14 ($20) for an average CD. A lot of the specialist Cds are nearer $25.
If that isn't daylight robbery, what is it??
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If it moves - funk it!!
Yes, downloading MP3s for free is in fact stealing because it means the artist may possibly be getting less royalties for their work. But doesn't most of the money go to those big suit'n'tie blokes who run the record companies instead of the artists? Is it not true that the artists get squat s#$t compared to what the record companies get?
Anyhow as jazz_pilgrim mentioned:
That is one big reason why I download MP3s. Another reason as I mentioned time and time again, it's hard to find the really rare stuff in Australia and CD stores usually have squat s#$t. Normally in CD stores over here we get best of artist compilations and they are usually the most popular artists or we get those typical disco compilations that mostly feature the most typical hits like "Stayin' Alive", "YMCA", "That's The Way I Like It", although they do throw a few lesser known songs in some compilations. Rare disco records, they are around in Australia but I have to rely on pot luck to come across them and the nearest rare disco/funk record shop is over 50km from where I live, and the only rare record shop around here is "Dusty Guitars" which mainly sells rare rock and heavy metal.If you can't actually hear a certain song in the first place, and with rare disco music that is difficult these days, how are you going to be able to discover new tracks?
And you all know my biggest complaint is the time it takes to hear a rare record, I have to send a money order to USA (this takes 2 weeks), and after they received the money order it takes ANOTHER 2 weeks for the record from USA to NSW Australia. FOUR BLOODY WEEKS!!!!! I could halve the time if I had a credit card, but it's a big hassle with credit cards because I have to watch that no hackers get my credit number and I've got to watch I don't overspend and worst of all the fees of having a credit card.
Well now Audio Galaxy's down the tubes, I'm going to have to do just that. However I should by more albums anyway. As for MP3 file sharing I doubt the next big MP3 sharer will hold up because the record companies will be onto them like a ton of bricks, so best solution use Myplay.com and give your username and password to your mates and so they can send you MP3s and they can download MP3s from you music locker.
So if anyone wants any rare disco from me, just email me at ac_dc_rocks@hotmail.com and give me your list of what you want and I'll check my MP3s and CDs to see if I have what you want. I'll have to get a new needle for my turntable before I can copy records to MP3. I'll upload the songs to my locker and I'll give you my username and password so you can download from my locker. Mind you it will be a slow process because I'm hooked up with a crappy ISP which I always get transfer jams. Also I'm hungry for some rare disco/funk so I'll also be asking for some MP3s myself so we can do some trading.
Fantomas and a couple of other guys from this board have kindly sent me some great rare disco and funk through Myplay, thanks guys.
Anyhow basically if you are living in areas that are remote from the rare disco/funk scene, then MP3s are the way to go to get a glimpse of the rare stuff. And if you see records for them, then you buy them. I'm going to have to start buying more CDs from Amazon.com, after listening to a number of Kay Gees songs, I'm seriously thinking of sending a money order out for their CD compilations. Also I'll have to buy some rare records through Ebay.
Australia mate! The land of many great funkateers!
BLAM...BLAM....BLAM!! POLICE!!! Open up theOn 2002-06-18 07:02, Fantomas wrote:
OH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I feel terrible, but we shouldn't complain. We were thiefs (and that's what we were) for a while and we got away with a few free songs. Don't worry, something else will pop up and we can go back to stealing other people's work.
door, please!!!!
:lol:
SENHORES DO GROOVE - BRAZIL
my last song was (last comleted one):
D.C. LaRue - Do You Want The Real Thing (somebody send this to me I think)
The last song downloaded and not completed was:
Gayle Adams - You Brougt It On Yourself
There are so many good songs I don't know- and I won't get to know without downloading a mp3 (before searchin' for the often hard-to-find vinyls).
I hope there will be a good alternative with the same masses of old 70s-Disco(, Soul and Funk)-stuff.
Steffen
Hi Everyone dealing with this topic. As I posted earlier, stealing is stealing. Pay the artist and record company thier 'due'. Buy the music vs. downloading from a web site. Yes cost are involed (promotion, tour cost-transportation, lodging, sound equiptment. security and promotion) that we pay by purchasing the artist's cd or going to a 'live/track' event. If we don't support the artist by BUYING their music, what will happen to the music?
MFSB - Love is the MEssage
is the last songs
since its not nice too curse
the greedy pimps of the record companies
I wish Them to burn in hell
but if my life and music taste would be as shallow as theirs I would be probably persuing the same consequences
but we will rise to the occasion my friends we shall conquer them once again
They can not stop the movement
unlike DJ Phil
I completley disagree with him
on the topic that we should pay for what we listen to.....
I mean music was made by the Muse's in Greece
I don't see toodays artists paying royalities to mount Olympus
it is a gift to share
not to profit from
and besides if you look at history toodays artist are earning much more then what artists
ever earned a 1000's years ago
Before Recording came to being
Artists still exsisted and still made money and performed concerts
some had Diva and Star status as the ones from the Opera and were dearly sought
but none of them made the disgusting amounts that toodays milking cows produce
such as
Michael Jackson
Madonna
Metallica (pigs) or (serpents)
In the middle ages artists were most often Jestors at the king's castle.
and before that in Asian Rome they were taken in regard but not idolized.
This whole recording buisness has gone too far.....
I am for majority
and not for a few eating the whole cake
With Free ware
the real artists the ones who work hard and don't care if they live in misery or luxury
cause they are passionatley in love with music will still manage
while greedy record companies with milking cow artist a la Britney S will fall
promotion and marketting will not
take on outrageous proportions
and everyone will get to objectvly listen to the song before actually
deciding that this artist is worth my money
Real Disco comes from Funk
Motown 4ever
My last download from AG was: Silver Convention - San Francisco hustle.
I don't consider myself being a thive. I have never made money like some of you did as a DJ and whining about music thives. I have purchased for my own personnal pleasure, over 1000 vinyls and as much in CD's for the past 20 years, so I don't appreciate being called a thief for downloading occasionally rare music no longer available on the shelves.
Before the internet, people were recording on compact cassettes, plenty of music live on radio and riaa never made a big issue out of it.
While we are at it, maybe the RIAA should start striking on discos making huge money playing repeatedly the big hits they paid the same price as any ordinary fans ?
Hi:
Mine was Betty Wright - Where is the love, but it didn't complete.
The last one which completed the download was Grace Jones - Sorry.
AG I missed you so much.
Cheers,
>Pay the artist and record company thier 'due'.
I agree and I do - when I can. When there is something out of print and I can't get it or I already own it but want it in digital format, I'll download it.
If the record companies would make their old catalogs available for download and charge me a fee, I'll be the first one there. Since they don't seem interested in doing that...
Dear disco1999, first let me state I am not 'WHINNING'. A thief is a thief is a thief not a 'thive'. Yes I have bought alot of music, even extra copies of what I received free from the record labels. I have taken the time to find those lost gems (record shops, garage sales, fellow dj's, internet...etc.)but have never 'downloaded' music. DJ's are doing work (so yes we EARN money)but not every DJ is making mega-bucks. I started DJ'ing part-ime and worked another day job to make ends meet. Then I worked DJ'ing full-time. I made a decent wage, but nothing more or less than your average full-time worker. Find the music LEGALLY and give the owners/artists thier royalties. All the best, DJ PhilOn 2002-06-18 21:07, disco1999 wrote:
My last download from AG was: Silver Convention - San Francisco hustle.
I don't consider myself being a thive. I have never made money like some of you did as a DJ and whining about music thives. I have purchased for my own personnal pleasure, over 1000 vinyls and as much in CD's for the past 20 years, so I don't appreciate being called a thief for downloading occasionally rare music no longer available on the shelves.
Before the internet, people were recording on compact cassettes, plenty of music live on radio and riaa never made a big issue out of it.
While we are at it, maybe the RIAA should start striking on discos making huge money playing repeatedly the big hits they paid the same price as any ordinary fans ?
Hey DJPhil, didn't you have a cassette player one time? Probably you didn't use it for recording music from turntables or the radio (NOOOOOOO that would have been stealing! God forbid!), but probably it was boring having to buy each and everyone piece of music you wanted to hear. Maybe you asked some of your friends to borrow you records or tapes.
Well, if you did that, my friend, you are also against the law. At least in my country, every damned piece of recorded music has a sticker that reads: "selling, recording or borrowing this article is prohibited", this signed by your beloved music industry associations.
The truth is the music industry was always against ANY technical novelty that permits to share the experience of hearing music. They were against open-tape, against virgin cassettes, even against radio and television playing their records. Of course, the latter were "forgiven" when some moguls saw the selling potential of letting the stations promote the music just by letting it be heard... just like AudioGalaxy.
And they would not have any problem with the existence of AudioGalaxy if they could control by some way WHICH songs we choose to download. Their business is not selling ten more copies of 200 new artists each; their business is selling 2000 more copies of one hit record, and that's what it hurts them now: they don't have CONTROL over what we are consuming. Maybe you heard BMG has a stake on their mega-enemy Napster?
And about artists: there's a thousand other ways to make a profit than a record deal (which, by the way, don't mean profits for them; it means promotion). Have you heard about live shows? Fan clubs? Merchandising? Or the State, for that matter?
What do you think musicians did for a living before the recording technique existed? (That's 95% of the time since Jesus was born.) The problem is not that Metallica wants to make music for a living; the problem is Metallic want to keep living as superstars, to be superstars. Because they know record labels only want superstars and would drop the rest if they knew how to sign stars only.
WAKE UP, PAL!!!!
Like I said in another post, I think that file sharing services such as Audio Galaxy actually help the record industry. Since most people wouldn't buy an album from an artist they have never heard, they could download some songs to hear what that artist sounds like, and if those people like what they hear, they may buy that artists's albums. This especially applies to obscure artists, who don't get any radio airplay. So downloading sound files is most likely the only way for people to hear them. So that's why I'm for file sharing services.
Nano, Yes I have a cassette deck-in fact 3 hooked into my mixing system. I have given friends copies of music I have received through the record pools but I have never posted copies on a site FOR THE WORLD TO DOWNLOAD!!!!!!!!! That is the major problem. The copies I gave were to other DJ's vs. every music loving teenager that can't afford the price of a cd on thier part time job. I have found music on the web,record stores and in the newspaper. Those copies I cherishes. I have NEVER download a STOLEN copy that an artist has preformed, sold and heard in a niteclub. You are ONLINE so find the sites that you can legally BUY the music and stop slandering me. Good day and good bye!
Not all of us are teenagers who can't afford the price of a cd. I would certainly pay to download music provided the fee wasn't unreasonable and the site had the music I liked.
Us non-dj types don't have easy access to promo records and dj services (Disconet, Hot Tracks)and a lot of the older disco/dance songs are long out of print. That's why I download.
I don't live in a big city like NYC or LA where a lot of this music is more readily available. Mail order is expensive, sometimes unreliable and internet sources like Ebay are great only if your the winning bidder. I bid on Disconet releases only to be overbid.
If the record companies want to start making these rare and older tunes available to the non-dj community for downloading, I'll be happy to pay.
To me it appears oddOn 2002-06-19 17:06, DJ Phil wrote:
Nano, Yes I have a cassette deck-in fact 3 hooked into my mixing system. I have given friends copies of music I have received through the record pools but I have never posted copies on a site FOR THE WORLD TO DOWNLOAD!!!!!!!!! That is the major problem. The copies I gave were to other DJ's vs. every music loving teenager that can't afford the price of a cd on thier part time job. I have found music on the web,record stores and in the newspaper. Those copies I cherishes. I have NEVER download a STOLEN copy that an artist has preformed, sold and heard in a niteclub. You are ONLINE so find the sites that you can legally BUY the music and stop slandering me. Good day and good bye!
that a person that has given so much of his life to music still can't see through
the shallow excuse the Recording Companies
make in order to Close Down AG
It is as Nano says
And I have tried to say
The Record Companies were against Television in the beginning because they thought it was bad. Then They understood it could be used as a marketting tool. AS long as they had a saying in the control of what was playing.
Internet is Interactive
thus meaning that there are two end to end users able to have 100% control of what they are sharing and downloading without the record company having a share.
THIS IS WHAT THEY INDEED HATE!!!!
Because if you look at the rare artists
SHeila and the black Devotions for instance
you will be able to directly download maybe 3songs
listen to them throughly and think, damn that stuff is what I am looking for, I am going to look up the whole album on AMazon or some other site and order it cause its worth all the shipping chrages and the etc...
While take a 'superstar' artist. a Very temporary shallow one for instance Spears.
if you search Spears you will be able to find all the songs she ever made, the unreleased ones, the remixes, hey even the instrumentals and acapellas to most of them.
And Naturally some tennage girl say 13
lets call her MAry; infatuated with Spears will download some of her songs instead of buying them since they are so easily accesible.
Then MAry will listen to them a couple of times and maybe by accident stumble accross her older brother's/sister's playlist and start playing something more soulfull lets say Alicia Keys.
And then Mary will think
after listening to Brittney songs a couple of times it just gets worse and worse
While after listening to Alicia's song the one that didn't sound all too great first time she heard her brother/sister playing it. The songs becomes better and better.
Mary will think that Brittney I have heard enough of and it all someones the same shallow and boring,
while this Alica Keys might actually have soething to say.....
most probably Mary will buy the CD of the less commercial artist. She will also go on a JOURNEY of discovery, to the new horizons of music she just acciedently stumble apon.
Mary will listen to Lauryn Hill, maybe that will lead her to Aretha Franklin from Aretha Franklin she will rediscover the old lable Atlantic and all its lost gems
from Atlantic she will find the old Motown gems
Mary will follow Motown and Atlantic from its country soul sound to its Disco Funk era.
Mary will feel that this music not only her temptation
but perhaps salvation.
Mary will go on to re-discover the whole lost Disco Era.
Go to a Forum and start talking to DJ's such as Phil
who will forever mock her for not buying but downloading the songs....
and regard her as asimple groupie of the disco era....
Blame her for not being born 2 decades earlier........
BEfore Mary had got soul Music these kind of comments would of broken her...
But Soul music has made her Strong and Independant
Disco Has made her Happy and Optimistic
and Funk has made her Creative
So Mary mounts a crusade... she gets together some people from her circle of friends have grown to love the same kind of music. They take the old hits that they have downloaded from their computer for inspiration and create a whole new
soulful disco funk sound that feels so fresh and so intoxicating...
Anyone who listens to it wants to hear
more,
Rapidly Mary Records which almost only exsists through the Internet starts growing people want more they get heaps of fan-mail
free Donations from their fans.
A Promoter contacts them and says that he can arrange a concert tour.
People start hearing
People start beliving
PEople start creating
this new sound Disco and Funk is reborn
and
DJ Ph
at first very sceptical to this new sound calling it fake and not ginuwine. Can't hell but to also start appreciating, so he tries to buy their records but to his amazement they are not to be found not on amazon not in his favorite funk/Disco store altough the owner is a strong devotee to Mary Records.
So DJ Ph still feels he has a urge to satisfy by acquring this new sound. So he goes to the Internet and is indeed forced to download it for Free!
A month later MAry Records fan club recives a posted letter. in the Letter their are 3 bills 1$, 5$ and a 10$ bill the approximate cost of a CD. there is also a note which reads:
Hi Mary
My sincerest apologies for Mocking you and thank you for rediscovering paradise
Dj Ph
This story is highly Hypothetical
but that doesn't mean that it can not occure
So lets not let the moguls choose in what direction music should venture
but the creative force within ourselves
Real Disco comes from Funk
Motown 4ever
Ummm...SUTNOP I really don't appreciate your mocking. Also you falsly state that I would download.....WHICH I WILL NEVER DO. Pay for it otherwise it is stealing. If I go into a clothing store and walk out with a shirt WITHOUT paying that is retail theft (shoplifting). If I download a song WITHOUT paying the 'Artist, songwriter, composer, copywright holder, etc. by BUYING the music what will happen to music? Imagine going to work, making something and have people take if from you for FREE? Forget the time, money and thought you put into it, they want it for free. How long would you work at the NON-PAYING JOB BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU MAKE IS DOWNLOADED BY OTHERS FOR FREE? You thought your job would be great, but no one is buying your product, they just download it for free? Capitalists (the majority of the world's economies) survie by making and selling for a profit vs. making and having it downloaded for free and NO PROFIT!!!!
Excuse me, I'll not enter in that legal discussion. But, I have any questions flying into my brain right now! :???:
What kind of profit a record label have if they not release its older titles? The labels keep them locked in a dark room and nobody can listen to them? Where is the profit here?
That labels are paying the artists that they keep unreleased?
Music is culture. Can we treat culture like a merchandise, a simple product? Anyone can be the owner of any culture?
In fact, I dont know the answers. That's why I'm asking you. :???:
Peace.
SENHORES DO GROOVE - BRAZIL
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