Peter Gabriel Fans (not disco related but.....)

**Jimmy-Michaels** · June 10th, 2002, 10:34 PM

I just figured i should open up a new thread to see if there are any other Peter Gabriel fans out here other than Zeca and myself. The subject "Why Is Eurodisco Hated??" is slowly turning into a Peter Gabriel forum..lol, not a bad thing at all, i'll just start a new thread for it and see if anyone else apreciates this great man.

DJ Jimmy M

**zeca azevedo** · June 10th, 2002, 11:16 PM

Hey JIMMY,

COUNT ME IN! I'm on it, man. Gabriel's work boards on the sublime and the mundane, it combines emotion with intellect, formalism with instinct, experimentation with lovely melodies. Few POP composers achieved what GABRIEL did in his solo career, to mix popularity with ground-breaking music. And we can forget that the man is very active when you talk about human rights. And I'm not even talking about his great lyrics.
PETER GABRIEL and DAVID BOWIE are 2 of my musical heroes.

Peace

rael azevedo

**markydefad** · June 11th, 2002, 02:12 AM

Hey guys,

I'm a big fan of Peter Gabriel & David Bowie also. Maybe not as devoted as you two, but I have a lot of their stuff.

Bowie has been a big disappointment with his output in the 1990's, however. The CD's have been soooo dismal, especially the awful "Outside" and those Tin Machine records.

Ironically, Bowie performed on David Letterman tonight doing a number from his new cd. The song he performed was titled "Slow Burn" and seemed a return to form--melodic rocker with catchy hooks. Encouraged by this performance, I just read 3 reviews of the new CD "Heathen" but, unfortunately 2 out of 3 were bad. Entertainment Weekly gave it a B+, but People said it was way too dark and the LA Daily News said the results were mixed--a few excellent tracks and a lot of murky ones.

Please, something like "Heroes", "Young Americans", "Fame", "Suffragette City", "Changes", "Golden Years", Scary Monsters, "Let's Dance", "China Girl". "Life On Mars", "Diamond Dogs", "Rebel, Rebel", "Sound + Vision", "Modern Love", "DJ", "Under Pressure" or "Cat People", Mr. Bowie. OK?

No more murk.

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Markydefad

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**Ricardo_Mata** · June 11th, 2002, 03:33 AM

I guess there are four of us now! I love Gabriel's material. Unfortunately, it's 5:15 am and I haven't sleep since the World Cup started, so I'm not in the best condition to discuss the depth or significance of his work. Once I get some sleep I'll be able to...

**Paulo** · June 11th, 2002, 04:25 AM

I like him too, specially the first 2 albums which are more melody oriented. The 3rd one is too experimental and non-melodic for my taste. In this new experimetal style, I think the fourth album is far better with more interesting rythms and songs. But to me his best album is SO.... I think it combines perfecty very beautiful songs with his groundbreaking experimentation.

If you guys like Peter Gabriel than I suggest you to listen (in case you haven't) to 2 other british singer/songwriters/keyboard players both of which make a kind of music very close to Gabriel's: THOMAS DOLBY & KATE BUSH.

THOMAS DOLBY has recorded 6 albums more or less in the same vein as Gabriel. The main difference is that his music is much more melodic than Gabriel' and more sophisticated than his. His first album is electronic oriented... then he changed into more experimental albums.

KATE BUSH began with 3 piano/keyboard oriented albums and then radically changed her style to an experimental sound in their fourth album THE DREAMING (clearly influenced by Peter Gabriel). The main difference is that her music is more melancholic than his.

**Jimmy-Michaels** · June 11th, 2002, 04:26 AM

Well Marky,
I agree that Bowie has not put out good stuff in the 90's. I wasnt aware of a new album. I'll have to check that out. The last good solid Bowie LP in my oppinion was "Never Let Me Down" from '87. A great 12" for "Day In Day Out" i may add too. I play it alot when im doing 80's club mixes. Id say my favorite Bowie is probably the Low,Heroes,Lodger and Scary Monsters LPs. I wonder if Bobby V. ever played anything from the Low or Heroes side B's? It would work in the Giorgio And Beyond sets, don't ya think?

DJ Jimmy M

**Jimmy-Michaels** · June 11th, 2002, 04:33 AM

In responce to the post about Thomas Dolby, yes, i own 2 lps of his. The ep "Blinded By Science" which ive loved since i got when i was very young. Also the follow up "The Flat Earth" i have as well. I wouldnt really concider it like Gabriel's work though. Thomas Dolby is a whole different form of music in my oppinion. Kate Bush, yes, the female Peter Gabriel no doubt. And of corse they got together on "Dont Give Up"

DJ Jimmy M

**Nano** · June 11th, 2002, 11:42 AM

Hey Paulo, Kate Bush is awesome! Gabriel is good, but he bored me with his "Third World" turn, plus all my friends play those records (same for U2).
About Bowie, I agree about 90's output but the problem is, quite simply, the guy is getting old. Bowie did a whole career out of changing style and being one step beyond the sounds of the day. Now, in turn, he's asking people 20 years younger to produce/remix his records so he sounds "trendier" and "younger" (same for Mick Jagger and other veterans). Maybe he should call it quits and age gracefully.

**markydefad** · June 11th, 2002, 01:40 PM

Maybe Bowie should just **** the trends ("drum-n-bass"!!!!) and just write and perform classic rock as he did in his "Golden Years" period. When he attempted to keep up with the kids, he sucked, no one bought it, and he alienated his fans. Do what ya do well, Bowie. The tune I heard last night on Letterman "Slow Burn" has a lead guitar line by Pete Townshend on the cd, I read. The song had very catchy elements--so he IS trying to recapture what he used to do so well. Funny cause I think his old material has aged extremely well--why try to go grunge (Tin Machine) or drum-n-bass ( Earthling) when he can very comfortably do what he does so well--and please his fans.

**** the trends. "Heroes" sounds better today than any grunge crap. Yeah, and I include all the Nirvana output in that statement.

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**nrgbeat** · June 11th, 2002, 03:11 PM

I hate both "Sledgehammer" and "Shock The Monkey".

**Jimmy-Michaels** · June 12th, 2002, 03:59 AM

Actualy today i was listening to a compilation CD i made of all Bowie's best from 1977 - 1980. All this stuff still sounds great and fresh. I really need to hear this new Bowie material. Does anyone know if the album is out in stores yet? If so, i'll be grabbing it the first chance i get. I havent bought a new Bowie album since "Never Let Me Down" in 1987. Everything else i heard from other people and didnt care for it. However i did receve a copy of his last album "Hours" from 2000 and it was a little better than the other crap he put out after "Never Let Me Down". Hopefully working with the same producer that brought us his most creative era will bring Bowie back strong. Lets hope.

DJ Jimmy M

**Paulo** · June 12th, 2002, 05:46 AM

Hello Jimmy:
You're right, THOMAS DOLBY doesn't sound exactly like PETER GABRIEL, but the thing in common to both (as well as for KATE BUSH) is that they belong to same trend. They both approach the music in a very exclusive and particular way. PETER, KATE and THOMAS are often labelled as "80's experimental" or "80's art-rock". The 3 of them use an electronic background mixed with acoustic instruments, odd rythms, odd chord sequences and keyboard-made music.

Yes, THE FLAT EARTH is a fantastic album. The songs are very beautiful and odd sounding.

Jimmy, if you have a chance check his other albums: ALIENS ATE MY BUICK (1987), ASTRONAUTS AND HERETICS (1992) and his latest studio CD THE GATE TO THE MIND'S EYE (1996). He has released a live album in 2002 called FORTY. Although it is a live recording, the album is very electronic. He updated some of his early 80's synth-pop songs to a 2002 electronic beat.

If you like, check his website http://www.thomasdolby.com
Bye

**Paulo** · June 12th, 2002, 05:53 AM

Yes NANO, Kate is awsome!
I think my favourite albums are the first 3 ones which are more piano and melody driven: THE KICK INSIDE 1978 / LION HEART 1979 / NEVER FOR EVER 1980.

But the "Gabriel influenced" trilogy (THE DREAMING 1982 / HOUND OF LOVE 1985/ THE SENSUAL WORLD 1989) is just as thrilling.

**Jimmy-Michaels** · June 12th, 2002, 08:46 PM

Is any of Thomas Dolby's lp's avalible on cd in the usa besides the hits compilation? I remember when "Aliens Ate My Buick" came out. I never heard anything off of it. I just remember in the record store seeing a big poster for it but, in the usa here, it didnt sell well and got no airplay. Then Thomas Dolby disapeared and we never heard from him again. The last we heard was in 1985 with his Dolby's Cube alias doing the theme song for a cheesy film over here called "Howard The Duck" (which i loved when it came out cause i was a kid...hehe). Also there was a kind of megamix if you would call it that under the Dolby's Cube name called "Get On Out Of My Mix". Its a good club track and was released as a 12" and as the b side on the 45 to "Hyperactive". Its in its full 6 min version on the 45 beleve it or not, same as the 12(i have the 45). Anyway, i would love to hear the music of Thomas Dolby after he disapeared over here.

DJ Jimmy M

**zeca azevedo** · June 14th, 2002, 12:42 AM

Hi everybody,

these days I've listening to a BJORK song and I began to think that the icelandic goddess is heavily influenced by KATE BUSH. Do you think the same?

about BOWIE in the 90's: OK, his best work is in the 70's, but in the 90's BOWIE produced some excellent songs, even if his albums were uneven. I'll give you some examples:

on BLACK TIE WHITE NOISE: JUMP THEY SAY/I KNOW IT'S GONNA HAPPENS SOMEDAY (Bowie's take on MORRISEYS' song is simply brilliant)

on OUTSIDE: THE HEART'S FIFHY LESSON/HALLO SPACEBOY (NOT the horrendous PSB mix, please!)/NO CONTROL/STRANGERS WHEN WE MEET (a beautiful song)

on EARTHLING: LITTLE WONDER/SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET/DEAD MAN WALKING (great song, great recording - I love this one)

Well, I will not mention any song of the album HOURS because I didn't have it in my collection and I heard it twice on a friend's house, so I think I'm not able to give my opinion about its songs.

Peace
zeca azevedo

**Paulo** · June 14th, 2002, 05:32 AM

Hi Jimmy
The songs you mentioned (HOWARD THE DUCK and MAY THE CUBE BE WITH YOU) are 12" singles designed for dancing, so they don't follow the "pattern" of a Thomas Dolby album (in which the music is much more experimental).

ALIENS ATE MY BUICK (1987) has 2 or 3 dance tracks, but the majority of songs follow that kind of athomospheric music created on the previous album THE FLAT EARTH (1983). His next, ASTRONAUTS AND HERETICS (1992) combines the same kind of sophisticated synth music with pop oriented tracks. A great album. And his last studio CD THE GATE TO THE MIND'S EYE (1996) is a journey through the electronic rythms of today. This album is mainly instrumental with 3 or 4 songs with vocals.

I believe you can get all of them through the web or in good CD stores. The albums are:

1 - THE GOLDEN AGE OF WIRELESS 1982
2 - THE FLAT EARTH 1983
3 - ALIENS ATE MY BUICK 1987
4 - ASTRONAUTS AND HERETICS 1992
5 - THE GATE TO THE MIND'S EYE 1996
6 - 12 x 12 (THE REMIXES) 2000
7 - FORTY (LIVE) 2002

**Jimmy-Michaels** · June 14th, 2002, 06:18 AM

Hey, i remember the release of The Golden Age Of Wirless. I didnt pick it up cause i remember a friend having this record and all the tracks except for "She Blinded Me With Science" from the 1st ep "Blinded By Science" were edited. There is one track i remember being on there that i really loved which was "Radio Silence" which isnt on the inital first ep. As for the editing i can remember "Airwaves" (my favorite Dolby track) being chopped to hell and even editing out the bridge. Did they put the full versions on the CD reissue? If so, i will defenatly want that one. I'll check out his newer releases as well.

DJ Jimmy M

**Paulo** · June 15th, 2002, 02:23 PM

Jimmy:

THE GOLDEN AGE OF WIRELESS is THOMAS DOLBY first album.

BLINDED BY SCIENCE was a 12" EP with the REMIXES of 2 songs from this first album (SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE and ONE OF OUR SUBMARINES) plus other album cuts as b-sides.

This is the reason why those 2 songs were smaller on THE GOLDEN AGE OF WIRELESS album (they were album versions) and extended on the 12" BLINDED BY SCIENCE EP.

The english GOLDEN AGE OF WIRELESS has the complete version of AIRWAVES which is in fact the album version and NOT the 7" single version (the chopped one you mentioned).

The CD version includes the complete version of AIRWAVES, but (predictably) the album versions of SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE and ONE OF OUR SUBMARINES (the smaller ones).

But the remixes of those 2 songs (which were originally on the BLINDED BY SCIENCE EP) were included in THOMAS DOLBY REMIXES CD called 12x12.

12x12 also includes remixes of
FLYING NORTH
GET OUT OF MY MIX
DISSIDENTS
HYPERACTIVE
MAY THE CUBE BE WITH YOU

Bye!

**Jimmy-Michaels** · June 15th, 2002, 05:28 PM

Paulo,
"She Blinded Me With Science" was the 12" version i guess on the US "Golden Age Of Wireless" cause that one was the same as the "Blinded By Science" EP. Also, over here, "Blinded By Science" was Thomas Dolby's first release then came "Golden Age Of Wireless" following it. Yes, i never understood why LP's were released in different versions in different countries. For instance, the US version of Duran Duran's "Rio" album had a different version of side one than the other countries. Ours had all remixed versions of all the tracks on side one with 2 12" versions included. I found this out when i got "Rio" on CD imported out of West Germany in the late 80's and everything from side one was different versions than my vinyl. Also, i saw a vinyl copy of the UK version of "Rio" and it was the same on side one as my import CD. I guess this is the same concept with the Dolby LP.

DJ Jimmy M

**Nano** · June 16th, 2002, 03:33 PM

Long live Kate B., Paulo! My favorite from the first period is "Never for ever", in the second albums were pretty even, but I adore certain songs like "This woman's work", or the Prince-produced track in "The red shoes". By the way, did you hear Kate's contribution on Prince's "My computer" (Emancipation CD)? Barely heard, but a great song.
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Zeca, I agree on your comments on Bowie. I also find great "Strangers when we meet" and "Dead man walking"! And I also like his Tin Machine period, specially the first LP. And Marky, if that's grunge then Bowie was again marking a trend there, coz that album was released in 1989 (time of Pixies "Doolitle" album; Nirvana hadn't yet recorded).
Anyway, the best of Bowie's last years is that he's still a top live performer. I saw him live twice in my country, in 1989 (an old hits tour with Adrian Belew on guitar) and around 1997 (the Earthling tour, with Reeves Gabrels). Both shows were amazing and proof that David is more professional than ever.

**Paulo** · June 17th, 2002, 05:21 AM

Here is a small list of my Kate Bush favourites:

WARM AND SOOTHING
THE WEDDING LIST
EGYPT
THE EMPTY BULRING
SAXOPHONE SONG
LAMOUR LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE YOU
NIGHT OF THE SWALLOW
HOUDINI
PULL OUT THE PIN
THERE GOES A TENNER
IN THE WARM ROOM
KASHKA FROM BAGHDA
JAMES AND THE COLD GUN
MOTHER STANDS FOR COMFORT
NEVER BE MINE
THE FOG
SONG OF SOLLOMON
DELIUS

Kate has nothing to do with disco/hi-nrg, but I think the closest she came the style was 1985' RUNNING UP THAT HILL.

Have you heard the dance mix of THE RED SHOES ?? I think it is far better then the album version.

**Nano** · June 17th, 2002, 01:12 PM

No, I haven't but it must be good. Nice selection! Specially for any other that want to download some MP3

**zeca azevedo** · October 30th, 2002, 07:55 AM

Hi,

I wanted to talk about Peter Gabriel's new album, UP, since I heard the album a few weeks ago. Since this album requires a time to be fully appreciated, I decided to postpone my post about it. Now's the time: after 10 years of waiting for an album of original songs by Peter that were not related with a movie or theater, here it is. Peter's new album corresponds to the highest expectatives of his fans (myself included): it's a great album, filled with classic songs and, most of all, amazing vocals by the prog-master. UP is not an easy listening pop album: sometimes is so dense and slow that requires some focused listening, but it is a rewarding aural experience. From the opening track, DARKNESS, which owes more to Gabriel's third album (1980's "Melting Face") than to Nine Inch Nails, to the last one, THE DROP, we are taken on a sonic and a deeply psychological journey onto Gabriel's mind and soul. As usual, the album reveals the contridictions of its author: Gabriel's usual necessity of covering diverse topics and moods that sometimes don't seems to fit on the same body of work are here again. But what makes Gabriel's music so special is this ambition: even when he does some missteps he achieves something new. Gabriel's worst musical moments are far better than 90% of pop music produced today - the man is a gifted pop composer, singer and producer, no doubt about it.

UP is not a record for the charts: in fact, it dropped from American TOP 40 chart this week, and it's performance on UK charts are below expectations. Nevermind the market, UP is an album that will survive for a long time, like Gabriel's previous albums (one note here: Rolling Stone criticized US, the previous album by Gabriel, when it was released in 1992. In 2000, there it was, US, in ROLLING STONE's list of the best albums of the nineties - Gabriel's music has the quality of growing up with time) . If only some of the pop composers of today had the same attitude, making music that not only pleases the listener for a few weeks, but for life...

Anyway, I'm wantng to comment thr songs on UP, but I'll do this on another reply, because TIME'S UP...

Rating: :D :D :D :D :D

zeca azevedo, looking for a place to live