Sleazy delights

[nrgbeat]

No, I'm not talking about that Al Parker video again...

I was wondering if there was anyone on this board who had never heard sleaze music before listening to John Ceglia's mix and if they truly enjoy this type of music or find it too slow for their taste. Let's hear your opinions.

[Outsider]

I keep reading on this board about "sleaze" music, but I've always wondered what's so sleazy about it. The songs I've heard that were included in this category seem simply to be easy-listening numbers, but that's not a bad thing. I actually like at least some if not of all of what I've heard.

[markydefad]

Outsider,

I agree that the "sleaze" term is misleading. However, that is what this slow music is referred to by the influential East Coast/New York crowd.

In San Francisco, we called it "morning music" which seems a more general term that could encompass pretty music and sleazy rutting-on-the-dance-floor type tunes.

Generally records with BPM's (beats per minute) from 90 minimum to around 120 max, constituted the slower tempos that DJ's used to wind down a long night's journey into morning on the dance floor in certain select cities that allowed all night dancing.

[nrgbeat]

I was told by a dj that sleaze music is generally the sexy, steamy music for example "Love For The Sake of Love" by Claudja Barry or Barry White's "It's Ecstacy..."

Morning music(according to him) would be the classier, prettier tunes e.g "Close To Perfection" Miguel Brown.

What's in a name? If you enjoy it who cares what it's called.

[markydefad]

nrgbeat,

I would totally agree with the distinction you made in the previous post between sleaze and morning music--in fact, that's what I thought the two terms meant also.

However, since being on Discomusic.com--those NYC D.J's in the know from Nicky to John Ceglia have made NO distinction between the two and call all the slower tempo music "Sleaze".

So, I've come to accept that term. However, Keefe & I both prefer "morning music" as an overall general music classification.

[keefelc]

Yup! Mark is right, we prefer the term "morning music". Plus, our "morning music" incorporated so many different styles of music - funk, jazz, pop/soul, reggae. Primarily music that you could unwind from the intense thump thump thump from earlier in the evening!

[Nano]

On 2002-05-29 18:56, markydefad wrote:
Outsider,

... a long night's journey into morning on the dance floor in certain select cities that allowed all night dancing.

Hey Marky, I wish to know at what time discos are closing down in LA. Here in Buenos Aires (also in my city Mar del Plata, by the Atlantic sea) most clubs go well through 7 AM or even more, specially if the place is near the river/sea coast.
Now I'm thinking this is a whole other topic that stands by itself... What happens around the world with dancing's closing time?

[NickNack]

Hi Outsider,

I hope Mark and Keefe have cleared it up for you. I had never heard the term "morning music" until I joined this board. In New York City, it was always termed the "sleaze" set. That's the time when the tempo dropped out of the 130's and down to the 90's or 100's anytime after 5 AM or so. "Sleaze" didn't mean dirty, or low-life, it just characterized the hour of the morning and the attitude of the music. Or more precisely, the attitude the music put you in. When Paul heard it, he called it "sensuous" as opposed to "sleazy". I would agree with this, too. The music was supposed to make you feel "all that way" but not let you go home... not just yet. The dj proved he could still make you sweat without running-in-place at 140 BPM. Personally, "sleaze" is/was my favorite time in the clubs. The music was hot, the men were hot, it was 7 AM on a new day and you just didn't give a damn!

[DJ Bozo]

My favorite sleaze song:

"La Vie En Rose" - Grace Jones

[sirius]

Dear Friends! I have a complete another
definition for sleazy DiscoMusic...it depends
on the lyrics...
Example:"Oochy Koochy", "I Wanna Funk With
You Tonite", "Ooh La La" or FLOWER "How
(How, how, how do you like your love)", etc.
GRACE JONES"La Vie En Rose" is for me THE
BIG GAYDISCO-DRAMA and still a great floor-
filler at Disco-Heaven.
Cosmic Love & Kisses From SIRIUS & DARKTUNES

[JussiK]

Yep, but what is the definition of being "Sleazy", exactly? How does that translate to music? If you're wearing an expensive suit with no underwear and making your best to let them know it or making an entrance in nothing but a g-string plus a butch motorcycle jacket, or have just piled on too much Rimmel on top of last night's layers, that's sleazy. So what music does go with your attire? I'd say anything with a heavy, thumping slowish max 122 BPM snare drum beat, a Munich-style violin, a vocalist who lips with possibly no real command of the language she/he is trying to communicate with, and naturally a subject matter of at least slightly sordid nature. Marc Almond's DEEP NIGHT fits the mood. Louse Leshter's LOVE MONEY or DESHABILLEZ-MOI are sleazy, just like Giorgio's SOONER OR LATER or Hazell Dean's ESP. If the music is all instrumental make it as phallically pounding as possible. Is that morning music or just sleazy? As a student of that kind of thing I'm most interested.

[paul]

Hey Nicky, just curious. What would you consider "Pillow Talk"?

[Funky Dude]

When I read the words "sleaze music" what comes to my head is slower erotic disco music. Anyhow some of my favourites of this style are:

Jumbo - Turn Onto Love 1976
Barry White - I'm Gonna Love You Just A Little More Baby/Never, Never Gonna Give You Up 1973
Isaac Hayes - Moonlight Lovin' 1978
Donna Summer - Love To Love You Baby 1975

[Outsider]

Marky and Nick, thanks for explaining it to me. I had never heard that term used for music until I came to this board. I can see why slower songs were played in the morning hours. I imagine after a night of dancing to faster-tempo songs, a bit of slow dancing was a good change.

This reminds me of this "sleaze" mix that was played on Dance Groove Radio last year. It was one of my favorite mixes on the show.

[markydefad]

OK, one last post before I retire...

Outsider,

That Sleaze Mix you're referring to was by Nicky himself!!!!! A big fave of mine! I listened to it 4 times on DGR and now, I'm proud to say, own a copy of it, thanks to Nicky himself.

[Outsider]

On 2002-05-30 18:11, markydefad wrote:
OK, one last post before I retire...

Outsider,

That Sleaze Mix you're referring to was by Nicky himself!!!!! A big fave of mine! I listened to it 4 times on DGR and now, I'm proud to say, own a copy of it, thanks to Nicky himself.

You're absolutely right. That mix was awesome. I also listened to it at least four times. There's one song on it that really stood out: I believe some of the lyrics go something like "And I wonder if he's coming home at all, does he even know that she's alive, he's just throwing it all away". Who recorded this song and what is the name of it? Nicky did an excellent job with that mix. I wouldn't mind having a copy of it myself.