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    Cocomotion('77 lp) Vs Cocomotion '79

    Whats the difference between cocomotion from el coco from '77 to one in '79.

    BTW are there any good Instrumental Disco tracks like cocomotion, i meant similar, u know 'upbeat'.

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    You can try "Welcome aboard" by Love Unlimited with Webster Lewis (1982, I think).

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    they're not drastically different to my ear - they're both 10 minutes +

    the original is smoother and more relaxed, and features a typical disco girlie vocal sung in unison.

    the '79 version feels slightly faster (i didn't do a bpm measurement) and leaves out nearly all of the vocal.

    i prefer the original.

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    Quote Originally Written by sfbeary
    i prefer the original.
    Couldn't agree more sfb. How could anyone think of touching this absolute grade 1 classic. :x I think the '79 remix is a travesty.
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    Re: Cocomotion('77 lp) Vs Cocomotion '79

    Quote Originally Written by VishnuDisco1978
    BTW are there any good Instrumental Disco tracks like cocomotion, i meant similar, u know 'upbeat'.
    Obvious picks: Cerrone's "Love In 'C' Minor" and "Cerrone's Paradise". Not strictly instrumentals but the vocals drift in and out.

    Cerrone influenced: Southern Exposure, "Love Is" and Black Light Orchestra, "Touch Me, Take Me".

    Whats the difference between cocomotion from el coco from '77 to one in '79.
    For the DJ: The '77 lp version kicks in on beat '2', the '79 12" starts on beat '1'. (I know, who gives a s*&t :roll: ). Personally, I've always like the '77 version better.

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    Voyage "Souvenirs" and Space "Carry on, turn me on".

    Love and Kisses and Costandinos-tracks are instrumentals with the same vibes.

    El Coco: "Dancin' in paradise" en "Love exciter" (the 12" is in green vinyll) -mmmmmh-great stuff

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    Geez, I'm so brain-dead lately...

    Since El Coco is a Rinder & Lewis production effort, you should check out their music and some other 'groups' they produced like Le Pamplemousse. R&L's "Lust" from their Seven Deadly Sins lp is a mid-tempo sleaze fest.

    Also, I have to disagree with Videoskooter that Constandinos (especially with titles under his own name) and these guys are in the same vibe. Rinder & Lewis kept their music dark, somber, with a bass line made to get the butt moving. Constandinos was all about the theme, the story, with the music being in a much 'lighter' tone. Danceable? Yes, but not that "grind-it-to-me-break-out-in-a-sweat" danceable. His is "pretty music"; theirs is "get some" music. :D

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    Hey Vishnu.
    When Nicky mentioned Le Pamlemouse, I was reminded of Get Your Boom Boom. That's an umtempo song in the same manner as Cocomotion.
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    Quote Originally Written by NickNack

    His is "pretty music"; theirs is "get some" music. :D
    Okay :D

    Get some? Nothing compares 2 "get on the funk train" which I first heard in an erotic cabaret . Definitily an semi-instrumental to "groove" on. :oops:

    And the B-side of the "Romeo & Juliet" album is pretty "warm".

    But you're right-maybe the vibes are different.

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    Quote Originally Written by Videoskooter
    Quote Originally Written by NickNack

    His is "pretty music"; theirs is "get some" music. :D
    Okay :D

    Get some? Nothing compares 2 "get on the funk train" which I first heard in an erotic cabaret . Definitily an semi-instrumental to "groove" on. :oops:
    Yes, but this has nothing to do with Constandinos. "GOTFT" is a Giorgio Moroder, Pete Bellotte, Thor Baldursson concoction that, IMHO, isn't all that "funky".

    And the B-side of the "Romeo & Juliet" album is pretty "warm".
    Yeah, but only the first 3rd or so. After that it gets so melodic you could float off the dancefloor. Don't misunderstand, I love the piece, but it ain't "Cocomotion".

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    Wow- I never said that GOTFT was a Costandinos-production.

    Munich Machine was definitely Moroder.

    Strange conversation, this one :D

    And now I'm gonna search my copy of "Cocomotion" and listen to it because I'm afraid I have another tune of El Coco in my head. I already said it-I'm getting old :D

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    Similar to "Cocomotion": "Dancing In Paradise" by El Coco :)
    Similar to "Cocomotion" wah-wah guitar: "On A Rien A Perdre" by Saint Tropez.
    Similar to "Cocomotion" strings: "Saturday Night (Something Special)" by Lax.
    Also try "Come In To My Heart-Good Loving" by USA-European Connection and "Dance To Dance" by Gino Soccio.
    "Cocomotion" is unique :)

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    Not sooooo unique.
    Rinder & Lewis were very stylised in their production techniques, so almost anything they touched was recognizeable as them, don't you think? They had a certain quirkiness.

    I guess I might like the '79 version more than the '77 one, if I ever got to hear it. I think I remember it being released and more than likely never asked to hear it in the record shop. Vaguely, in the dim and distant. Mind could be playing tricks.

    Other, similar toons to look out for.....
    THE LOVE BOAT THEME te he. :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Couldn't resist getting that in. :oops:

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    (joining the thread a bit late)

    The '79 version was remixed by Rick Gianatos and is typical of the sparse style that he favoured, which is somewhat reminiscent of deep house. At times it seems like a "minus mix" of the original, with most of the instrumentation and vocals removed, but other elements which were mixed way in the back have been moved right up front.

    I much prefer the original album version (which surprisingly, was not issued as a 12" except as a promo). The remix was released as a 12" single and was the opening track on AVI's Hot Disco Night 2 compilation.

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    Quote Originally Written by Videoskooter
    Wow- I never said that GOTFT was a Costandinos-production.
    I'm sorry. :oops: Since we were talking about Alec and you mentioned the song I thought you were putting them together.

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    'Cocomotion' should be sub-titled 'The Polarizer' :lol:
    I've always liked it. I had the 12" remix first, but preferred the LP when I got to know it. Could lose the vocal, though. The final refrain is very uplifting, with the strings on full pelt. And there's always that bass line. Didn't know the LP version was on a 12".
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    From what I remember, I prefer the 1979 song. I heard it on "dancenetradio" and it was indeed "sparse" compared with the 1977 song. But I prefer that sort of disco--still mostly instrumental, but with a central driving beat and with strings, but perhaps not as lush as earlier recordings. I guess that it makes sense that my favorites are pretty much all from 1979 and 1980. The sound did change quite a bit from 1977 to two years later.

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    As you guys have stated above, the 79 version is more sparse. A lot of the orchestration was removed. Also removed was the synth solo in the middle break. But this made way to beautiful details and strange background sounds to play much upfront. In that sense, the album version is better, but the remix gives a chance to hear many of the backing track arrangements and instrumentation.

    Worth the mention is the B-Side: a remix of AFRODESIA, another great track from the album DANCING IN PARADISE. This time the remix is not so sparse. The melody is kept more intact, but some parts have instruments playing alone, in a very diffrent way from the album mix.

    The second song in the B-Side is a remix of COCO KANE, which is similar to the album version, except for the instrumental sax solo break in the middle which was removed in favour of a steady beat. On the other hand, the strings were kept playing alone at times, showing off the string arrangement.

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    Quote Originally Written by Paulo
    Worth the mention is the B-Side: a remix of AFRODESIA, another great track from the album DANCING IN PARADISE. This time the remix is not so sparse. The melody is kept more intact, but some parts have instruments playing alone, in a very diffrent way from the album mix.
    Sorry, but I really have to disagree. Rick Gianatos took all the beauty out of "Afrodesia" with this remix. I think it's awful but hey, just a differing opinion. :)

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    Just for complementing this thread:

    What do you think of the LET'S GET IT TOGETHER 1980 REMIX??

    As far as I am concerned, it doesn't surpass the original, but turns it into something just as valid.

    It has a lot more sax soloing and the beat is groovier.

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