Mixing with CD's

**Masdefi** · April 29th, 2002, 05:46 AM

I was in a club-restaurant last night and a disco 70 night was organized. A very good selection from 70ies all from CD's. The music was so good that the people was dancing also into the bathroom.

But I was wondering how is it possible to mix with CD's, how could you couple two different BPM's? I didn't see if there was a pitch control.

**nrgbeat** · April 29th, 2002, 07:14 AM

Cd players with pitch control have been on the market for about ten years now in the U.S.

Denon and Pioneer are two companies that produce these.

**DJ P** · April 29th, 2002, 06:58 PM

Hi Masdefi, as the other poster stated there are cd's units that have 'pitch controls'. I own a Numark 'CD Mix-1' that has two pitch controlled cd players, a mixer that is in the center of the console and inputs for two turntables (which I have and use, more vinyl than cds at this time). Each of the cd players in this device has a 'shuttle' or also known as a 'jog wheel'. This knob (about 4" in size) subsitutes for the edge of the vinyl us old dj's are used to. The shuttle wheel allows us to 'slip cue' a cd (matching the up or down beat depending on your preference) to execute a mix. The Numark mixer/cd player was under $400 U.S. dollars. For me it was money well spent. I now have a new mixer and two pitch controlled cd players and alot less 'cables' in my home dj booth. Shop around as you can buy 'solo' cd players (instead of two and the mixing panel) if you only want one to hook up to your own system. Hope this info helps you. All the best, Phil

**markydefad** · April 29th, 2002, 07:18 PM

Stupid question, but is it any easier to mix using the cd mixer than it is using the vinyl and turntables? Is there like a bpm counter in the CD mixer? Someone mentioned such a thing in some machine. It seems that would be helpful in getting the beats in perfect sync. This was always the hardest thing for me to get right--those damn pesky beats. Plus I hated the sound of the music when it was pitched up or down too much.

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**DJ P** · April 29th, 2002, 07:29 PM

Hi Markydefad, yes the Numark CD-1 has a built-in BPM counter for each cd drive on the mixer. Unfourtanly when mixing vinyl the BPM isn't in effect. Til you get used to mixing cds, vinly is alot easier to control. The one benifit of cd's that is easier to do is 'echoing/rimming'. You can place a cd four beats behind the other and it will stay constant throuhout the song. The old effect of 'rimming' (playing a piece of the same song on vinyl a 'mil-a-second' ahead or behind to give an 'electronic' distortion effect is also easier). The device has several 'bells and whistles' built into it that does help mixing cds. It takes awhile to get used to it, but with practice it can easily be mastered. In the early '80's I dj'ed a 'New Wave' nite (and also was a Light Tech) at a large club in the Clearwater, Florida area. That club was one of the first to deal with cd mixers. We had two seperate 'Sony' players hooked up to our mixer (along with three turntables, two stereo video decks and three wireless mikes) in the booth. That club's system and layout was the best in this area at the time. All the best, Phil

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**nrgbeat** · April 29th, 2002, 07:30 PM

I always thought it would be easier mixing with vinyl because it's more hands on. (i.e. you can touch the vinyl.)

On the Denon cd player I have, it has a pitch bend button but no jog wheel. I assuming the jog wheel might be easier in getting the beats in sync.

Those live drummers are a BITCH to mix!!
I have to time the intro of the song and then time the break to make sure the bpm's haven't changed.

**DJ P** · April 29th, 2002, 07:42 PM

Hi nrgbeat, as in my earlier post: I prefer vinyl over cd mixing. Yes the jog wheels do make mixing easier. If the live drumming (the various 'ebbs and flows' of the 'drumming) of the older Disco releases is bothersome, try some of the remix services (Hot Tracks, Ultimix). They have several 'Classic' releases where thier dj's have electronically corrected the errors of the live drummers, made a new mix, made easy to use breaks and added a little 'spark' (without ruining the song) of thier own to the mix. Some have collections of music on sale while other's may be running some specials. Check them out and I think you will be surprised and happy at what you find. Hope my reply helps, Phil

**nonkel808** · April 29th, 2002, 08:06 PM

Yo Masdefi!

Nowadays theres also new way of mixin with CD's! The Pioneer CDJ-1000 !
This is an incredible Cd player, that can be handled like a Vinyl recordplayer!

Bye bye vinyl! Welcome to the future.

Mind you, the CDJ1000 is very expensive!

more info: http://www.pioneerprodj.com/

**Disc0tek** · April 29th, 2002, 09:31 PM

How about mixing mp3's? Has anyone here tried to go that route yet? I was thinking of buying PCDJ RED to play around with. Some people use Acid DJ also. Is it true that these programs can mix the songs flawlessly? I've used Mixmeister but it's a real pain to even line up the beats! Forget about doing it live!

**Masdefi** · May 1st, 2002, 04:09 AM

Hi DJ Phil, your equipment seems to be what I would like to have, too! I have never seen that before, I am gonna find it on the Internet to know more. But anyway I cannot imagine how to beats with this "jog wheel"... I am an "old" vinyl DJ, and I need time to convert myself. If I have well understood, there are also two inputs for two turntables, that's interesting. Does the mixer has a good N/S ratio?
Anyway thank you for your reply, now it's more clear to me how to mix with CD's.

**Masdefi** · May 1st, 2002, 04:12 AM

On 2002-04-29 20:06, nonkel808 wrote:
Yo Masdefi!

Nowadays theres also new way of mixin with CD's! The Pioneer CDJ-1000 !
This is an incredible Cd player, that can be handled like a Vinyl recordplayer!

Check out this movie where the DJ is scratching with a CDJ-1000! AMAZING
http://www.pioneerprodj.com/media/video/cdj1000.mov
Bye bye vinyl! Welcome to the future.

Mind you, the CDJ1000 is very expensive!

more info: http://www.pioneerprodj.com/products/cdj1000/cdj1000.mv

Wow, that's amazing! Hope in the future will be more cheap. But did you try it yet?

**Masdefi** · May 1st, 2002, 04:27 AM

On 2002-04-29 18:58, DJ Phil wrote:
Numark 'CD Mix-1'

I can't find this model on the internet. Is it an old model? Could you write the exact model code?
Thanx

**nonkel808** · May 1st, 2002, 06:45 AM

Wow, that's amazing! Hope in the future will be more cheap. But did you try it yet?

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Yo Masdefi, i must say that i've never tried the CDJ-1000 myself, but I saw a demonstration at a festival last summer, and i've gor to say its pretty amazing, and it handles like real vinyl turntable. The guy did a house mix that really seemed flawless.
I would defenitely buy one to put next to my to turntables, if only it wasn't so expensive.

**DJ P** · May 1st, 2002, 08:04 AM

Hello Masdefi, you'll find the CD-Mix 1 at the numark web site under 'system packages'(for some reason, it is not listed under cd players, I guess to them it's a 'system' because of the intergrated mixing board). Thier address is http://www.numark.com Hopes this info helps you

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**Giovanni** · May 1st, 2002, 03:47 PM

I've been djing from 1979 to 1986 and left when when vinyl was THE thing and 1200s ruled. That's the reason why I love vinyl and vinyl mixing. But at that time already the firs samplers and synths began to appear in the dj booths. Every old school dj experimented almost everything with 1200s (blending, chop mixing, phasing, scratching, turntable drumming, etc...) and my knowledge of the technical skills of the art of vinyl djing is complete because I know what a dj is doing since I understand what a dj is doing. But when I see some dj CD mixing I am astonished since I cannot understand what he/she does because I don't know the Pioneer consolle. I tried the Pioneer of a dj friend some time ago and found that the game has different rules now!!!
I think that CD mixing gives the djs more technical opportunities. I recently saw a young dj (around 20 or so) making miracles with the Pioneers, sampling and remixing live every single track!!! And this is the way to dj today!!!