New Order

**Voyage** · April 17th, 2002, 06:54 AM

I would like to find out more about New Order. Like which were their hits, are they still making music, into what music genre is their music grouped to? Any good New Order sites out there?

Voyage

**Bernie** · April 17th, 2002, 07:48 AM

Not enough time to go indepth, but to better appreciate New Order one should take a listen to Joy Division (Love Will Tear Us Apart, Transmission...). Joy Division's lead singer committed suicide and the group later reformed as New Order.

While Joy Division's sound was very "dark" and gothic, New Order's sound, though dark in the begining (Ceremony, Turn the Heater On), became more electronic pop as time went on (Blue Monday, Confusion, Technique...)

Perhaps their two most well known songs ae "Blue Monday" and "Confusion."

I have small entries in the Vaulr for both artists under "J" and "N." Also take a listen to audio samples here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ex...der&mode=music

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**markydefad** · April 17th, 2002, 11:37 AM

I would recommend you listen to "True Faith" and "Bizarre Love Triangle", my two fave New Order tracks(neither has the title in their lyrics, so I always have to have a little debate in my head as to which is which--I hate that!). Also, check out "The Beach" which is the instrumental/dub version of "Blue Monday". "The Beach" was played a lot at Trocadero in lieu of the more New Waveish vocal version.

In 1993, they released a CD called "Republic" that I liked a lot with some real fun tracks like "Regret" and "World" which were sadly neglected at the time cause the Grunge-meisters had overtaken the pop/rock market and these tracks sounded too retro-'80's. Very tasty dance/pop/rock, IMHO.

The group is still together and released a CD last year. I plan to get it, but have not yet.

**Jeff H** · April 17th, 2002, 11:43 AM

"True Faith" gets my vote too!

**Outsider** · April 17th, 2002, 04:00 PM

I remember Orgy's version of "Blue Monday", which I thought was better than the original. But then again, I was never a New Order fan. But I have nothing against those who do like them.

**DJ P** · April 17th, 2002, 05:36 PM

Markdefad is correct in that the title of those two songs are no where in the song. That was one of the quirks on 'New Order'. The only song of 'New Order' that stated the title of the song in the song's lyrics is thier first 'Confusion'. It was pressed on the 'Streetwise' lable (catolog number 'SWRL 2213'). From that point on I know of no other 'New Order' song that contains the title within the lyrics of the song. All the best, Phil

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**sirius** · April 17th, 2002, 11:43 PM

NEW ORDER´S "Blue Monday" was a very big hit

in Europe...and really new was the so-called

triggering on drums...also look for Frankie

Goes To Hollywood, etc. "Blue Monday" is

nowadays a ClassicTrack for Gothics...

Bobby Orlando produced 1983 a similar track

with DIVINE called "Love Reaction".

Their new single is called "Here To Stay",

which I didn´t heard.

Cosmic Love & Kisses From SIRIUS & DARKTUNES

**Paulo** · April 18th, 2002, 06:49 AM

To me, the best album by New Order is REPUBLIC from 1993. It contains their most melodic and dancey tunes, while their early albums are more rock oriented (but with hi-nrg influence in some tracks).

I've read elsewhere that this is their least liked album, which is very unfair. I love the tracks: SPOOKY, WORLD (THE PRICE OF LOVE), but the whole album is great. Many songs remind me of the Pet Shop Boys.

I also read some reviews (at the time of release) by rock critics saying that New Order had been long losing their credibility because of his disco connections.

To me, that was a victory stated in the press, because it was aknowledge that a rock band (which had lots of credibility) HAD DISCO CONNECTIONS (and we all know what disco means to the world).

**SandraDee** · November 3rd, 2002, 10:26 AM

New order were very much part of the Manchester club scene in the 80's as they co-owned the infamous Hacienda disco. If you are intereted in the group, they are featured (well, actors playing them!) in the fabulous film released earlier this year '24 Hour Party People'. I highly recommend it as I found it very entertaining. Much more true-to-life than '54' or 'Last Days of Disco' IMO.

**Voyage** · November 3rd, 2002, 10:53 AM

Steely:

Thanks for the information. When was this film released? Was it released in America? What's the story about?

Voyage :lol:

**SandraDee** · November 3rd, 2002, 11:15 AM

Voyage, I dont know whether it was released in the US I'm afraid. The film is mainly about Anthony Wilson the TV presenter & entrepreneur who co-owned The Hacienda nightclub with New Order. He was also their manager & he managed other Manchester groups like Happy Mondays & A Certain Ratio. Its a very candid & funny film which accurately depicts life in the mad world of Manchester music.

**Nano** · November 3rd, 2002, 06:37 PM

I came a little late into liking New Order and the only album I heard in its entirety is "Republic". It's a good record, but it surprises me that it's considered their better. I'm curious about the other ones but they always were so expensive here... plus they had that "chuf chuf" rhythm machine sound! :x I know their hits, though.
Bernard Sumner had also a side-project, Electronic, which released at least one album with ex-Smiths guitarist-tunesmith Johnny Marr. I heard it the other day: not bad, but somewhat dated by now.
I think these guys were "left behind" when the use of sampling started to change the rhythm patterns and sound color of dance beats. In fact I read somewhere that Sumner were consulting the "young guys" (Tom Rowlands or someone like that) to produce a possible new album. He's trying to sound fresh for sure.
Joy Division was a great band. Here they influenced one of our best rock groups ever: Sumo. And of course left their mark on all the gothic-dark-postpunk movement in Britain: Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, The Cure, Dead Can Dance, etc.

**SandraDee** · November 4th, 2002, 02:30 PM

I personally didnt care much for 'Republic'. They were much better in the 80's with stuff like 'Technique' & 'Confusion'.
I cant understand why this 80's/early 90's stuff is 'dated' when we on this site love stuff from the 60's & 70's which is far more dated but still brilliant.

**BrunoRepublic** · November 4th, 2002, 02:56 PM

Originally Written by Steely Dan

I personally didnt care much for 'Republic'. They were much better in the 80's with stuff like 'Technique' & 'Confusion'.

I second that. "Brotherhood", "Low-Life", and "Power, Corruption, and Lies" are their best proper albums. And everybody loves "Substance", which is a compilation of their 12" singles (although some tracks were edited). "Republic" has brilliant opening and closing tracks, but much of what lies in between is rather mundane.

I cant understand why this 80's/early 90's stuff is 'dated' when we on this site love stuff from the 60's & 70's which is far more dated but still brilliant.

Perhaps because the memories of the 80s and early 90s are not all that distant. Myself, I remember the 80s/90s stuff, but I was too young for most of the 70s material -- so it's all new to me.

As for Sumner's side project Electronic, there are three LPs:

(Self-titled), 1991 -- Their best album. Pet Shop Boys appear on two tracks. Note that the tracklisting has been revised on some releases, so some copies do not include their single "Getting Away With It" or the excellent "Gangster"
Also noteworthy is the single of "Feel Every Beat" -- some variants of this have a brilliant track titled "Second To None" as a b-side. This is actually my favourite song by them.

Raise The Pressure, 1996 -- A MAJOR disappointment. The opening track, "Forbidden City" is excellent. Had the rest of the LP been even half as good, I would've been thrilled. But it's just crap, and I mean crap! Disposeable, forgettable, tuneless techno-dance-pop. My first thought upon hearing it was "It took them 5 years to make this?! It sounds like they did it over a weekend!!"

Twisted Tenderness, 2001 -- Not as vacant as its predecessor, but still rather forgettable.

One other noteworthy track by them is "Disappointed", originally done for the "Cool World" soundtrack. This sounds more like a Pet Shop Boys track, complete with Neil Tennant on vocals, and it is brilliant. The single is also worth having for the excellent remix of "Idiot Country", which is still a lot of fun despite (or because of) having every single now-clichéd early 90s dance music sample and hook in it. This track is not on the US release though; Warner opted to put a remix of "Gangster" on it instead.

**SandraDee** · November 4th, 2002, 04:58 PM

I also love Electronic's 'Disappointed' Graham, probably because it's so PSB sounding. Was this on any of their LPs? I never followed Electronic's output as I didnt like much of what I heard by them with the exception of 'Disappointed'.

**BrunoRepublic** · November 4th, 2002, 07:05 PM

Nope, "Disappointed" was only a single -- unless you count the "Cool World" soundtrack as the LP, and Sumner & Friends did not contribute anything else to it.

BTW, "Cool World" was one of those much-hyped flicks that was simply expected to be a huge hit. It sank without a trace. :roll:

**mach2000** · November 7th, 2002, 04:34 AM

Originally Written by Voyage

I would like to find out more about New Order. Like which were their hits, are they still making music, into what music genre is their music grouped to? Any good New Order sites out there?

Voyage

New Order's Blue Monday was inspired by Donna Summer's Our Love. They stated that many times in interviews.
if you put the 2 tracks on together it's shocking how the build up (especially at the end is simular...

**Chris Pontius** · August 28th, 2003, 06:02 PM

In my opinion the New Order albums to get are "Substance" (Which wasn't really an album but a double disc collection of some of their songs up to that point) and "Technique"......."Republic" was garbage.

Graham Start is pretty much dead-on as far as Electronic goes. I consider the first Electronic album a must-have, but the other two albums were complete **** (I didn't like one song on either CD)......The "Disappointed" CD single is also something to look out for.

There was also Peter Hook's side-band, Revenge. "One True Passion" had 3 or 4 good songs. Not a mind-blowing CD, but it's worth getting. The CD is sort of like a cross between New Order and Joy Division.....The style of New Order, but with the darkness of Joy Division.

Hook later made another side-band called Monaco, I only liked the first single released from the album..."What Can You Do For Me".....It was a straight out rock song, reminiscent of Oasis or those types of bands, but it's good. The album's ****.

Then the other two members of the band made their own side-project called The Other Two....I didn't care for any of their material.

**efunk_adelic** · September 5th, 2003, 03:55 PM

Voyage, I like New Order :D My favorite CD of them is Substance.

favorite cuts:

Everything's Gone Green
Blue Monday
Confusion
Thieves Like Us (Currently my favorite song by them)
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

special recognition is:

Fine Time released in '88. Brings back a lot of memories... This 12" single is really good... I recommend it.

**SandraDee** · September 7th, 2003, 02:54 PM

Totally agree about 'Fine Time' being really good, but why are those sheep sounds on the fade-out? :-?

**efunk_adelic** · September 8th, 2003, 04:41 AM

Originally Written by Steely Dan

Totally agree about 'Fine Time' being really good, but why are those sheep sounds on the fade-out? :-?

With 5 Versions to choose from, I like the LP Mix and Silk Mix. Lyrics are:

"You're much to young, to mess around with me".....

beyond those lyrics... I can't understand what they say????

not sure why they recorded sheep sounds at the fade out...
we can only guess... I'm sure it has something to do with sex. Agree Steely? :lol: