Rap vs. Hip-Hop

[nrgbeat]

Are rap and hip-hop the same thing or are they two different musical styles?



Please explain.

[The Lord of Flatbush]

Hip Hop: In Jamaican ska era, 60's, a DJ would spin and cut the wax and a MC would sing or shout or dub poetry over it. That's the roots of hiphop which were brought to New York City by Kool DJ Herc, but hip-hop or rap was created in New York City.



Rap: Rap was born in the South Bronx more than 20 years ago. Acts such as Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five depicted a stark view of black urban life. Rap is varied and evolving, but the gritty, sometimes vulgar lyrics are often about life on the streets-- poverty, drugs, sex, and violence. The form, as well as the content of rap, suggests rawness.

[Fantomas]

Rap has been an outlet for mediocre talent. There's very few Rap songs that have any original talent. It basically doesn't have any rhyming melodies. It's more like talking to the same monotunous beat. It's a reflection of today's society with its no talent, uneducated artists and its brainless audience. Like the great Frankie Crocker said once on the Radio (WBLS); they rap 'cause they can't sing.

Anybody with an "agenda" today can have a "hit" song, so long as the "correct" political diatribe is there and, ofcourse, the four letter words.

[The Lord of Flatbush]

On 2002-04-06 22:49, Fantomas wrote:

Rap has been an outlet for mediocre talent. There's very few Rap songs that have any original talent. It basically doesn't have any rhyming melodies. It's more like talking to the same monotunous beat. It's a reflection of today's society with its no talent, uneducated artists and its brainless audience. Like the great Frankie Crocker said once on the Radio (WBLS); they rap 'cause they can't sing.

Anybody with an "agenda" today can have a "hit" song, so long as the "correct" political diatribe is there and, ofcourse, the four letter words.

Please keep in mind that the true lyricists are the one who can place poetry with a beat.



Nas, Jay-Z, KRS-ONE, The Notorious Big and Tupac and just five MC's that I can name off the top of my head who supplied bangers each album released.



Don't get me wrong, but most of the MC's from the old school and new school came from New York.





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[Fantomas]

It takes rhyming melodies and a beat (a good beat) to make a good song for me. While I respect those that think rap is "music", I see it as cheap sound. The beat in rap music is mostly the same thru out the song with very little variation, if any. As for poets in music, Jim Morrison was king, and his music wasn't rap.

[Outsider]

I went into detail about my opinion of rap on another thread, so I won't do it here ("rap" rhymes with "crap"). But I want to say that I've heard that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap. I couldn't care less, though.

[The Lord of Flatbush]

On 2002-04-08 10:28, Outsider wrote:

I went into detail about my opinion of rap on another thread, so I won't do it here ("rap" rhymes with "crap"). But I want to say that I've heard that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap. I couldn't care less, though.

If you couldn't care less, Why make these quotes "rap" rhymes with "crap" and "I've heard that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap"? Who's your source? KRS-ONE

Chuck D, who is it then?



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The Evolution of Rap Music in the United States by Henry A. Rhodes

[Outsider]

On 2002-04-08 12:23, The Lord of Flatbush wrote:

On 2002-04-08 10:28, Outsider wrote:

I went into detail about my opinion of rap on another thread, so I won't do it here ("rap" rhymes with "crap"). But I want to say that I've heard that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap. I couldn't care less, though.

If you couldn't care less, Why make these quotes "rap" rhymes with "crap" and "I've heard that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap"? Who's your source? KRS-ONE

Chuck D, who is it then?



http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum...3.04.04.x.html



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The Evolution of Rap Music in the United States by Henry A. Rhodes

I happen to think that rap is crap (hence the rhyme). But that's just my opinion. I don't care if you're a rap fan, which I'm guessing you are, but I have every right not to listen to it. As for the thing about all rap is hip-hop (or whatever the hell I wrote), I read it somewhere a long time ago (probably a newspaper article or something), but I don't remember the exact source. I don't keep track of things like that. I've never done any research on rap, and I don't plan to. Hearing that **** at work and from people's cars at ear-blistering levels is bad enough. But hey, there are people who probably get annoyed by metal and punk, which are two genres that I'm into. By the way, I refuse to get into a fight about this. After all, it's just music.

[nrgbeat]

In my original post, I was looking for someone to give me a simple definition of what the difference was between rap and hip-hop, if any.



I'm not looking for people's opinions on whether they like rap or not.



Can someone please explain to me the difference?

[Outsider]

On 2002-04-08 19:17, nrgbeat wrote:

In my original post, I was looking for someone to give me a simple definition of what the difference was between rap and hip-hop, if any.



I'm not looking for people's opinions on whether they like rap or not.



Can someone please explain to me the difference?

I fully understand your question. I'm not the expert on this, but from what I have read or heard, all music that uses a rap beat and production is considered hip-hop, whether the lyrics are rapped or sung. So hip-hop is the generic term for rap, but much of today's R&B also falls into this category (hip-hop, that is). I quoted this from a message at the "What We're Listening To" section of this message board, and I think that message (the thread having the same name as this one) explains it better.

[The Lord of Flatbush]

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On 2002-04-08 19:03, Outsider wrote:

On 2002-04-08 12:23, The Lord of Flatbush wrote:

On 2002-04-08 10:28, Outsider wrote:

I went into detail about my opinion of rap on another thread, so I won't do it here ("rap" rhymes with "crap"). But I want to say that I've heard that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap. I couldn't care less, though.

If you couldn't care less, Why make these quotes "rap" rhymes with "crap" and "I've heard that all rap is hip-hop but not all hip-hop is rap"? Who's your source? KRS-ONE

Chuck D, who is it then?



http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum...3.04.04.x.html



Yale-New Haven Teachers Institute Home



The Evolution of Rap Music in the United States by Henry A. Rhodes

I happen to think that rap is crap (hence the rhyme). But that's just my opinion. I don't care if you're a rap fan, which I'm guessing you are, but I have every right not to listen to it. As for the thing about all rap is hip-hop (or whatever the hell I wrote), I read it somewhere a long time ago (probably a newspaper article or something), but I don't remember the exact source. I don't keep track of things like that. I've never done any research on rap, and I don't plan to. Hearing that **** at work and from people's cars at ear-blistering levels is bad enough. But hey, there are people who probably get annoyed by metal and punk, which are two genres that I'm into. By the way, I refuse to get into a fight about this. After all, it's just music.

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That's the whole point, it's just music.



Everyone is entitled to like whatever music they please. I was fortunate to be blessed with a musicial family that covered doo-wop and soul (My father and my mother), hip/hop, house and jazz (My brother and yours truly).

The history within the profile speaks for itself. This is not, and won't be a fight!



Final point: Freedom of choice will always set your free.

[The Lord of Flatbush]

On 2002-04-08 19:17, nrgbeat wrote:

In my original post, I was looking for someone to give me a simple definition of what the difference was between rap and hip-hop, if any.



I'm not looking for people's opinions on whether they like rap or not.



Can someone please explain to me the difference?

This link should provide somewhat of a definition through a study.



http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum...3.04.04.x.html