SALSOUL VINYL

**Greg Wilson** · September 16th, 2003, 08:42 AM

Ian Dewhirst (formerly Mastercuts, Deep Beats, Strictly Vinyl) has just re-launched the Salsoul label with 6 classic cuts:

FIRST CHOICE let no man put asunder (salsa 12 001)
DOUBLE EXPOSURE ten percent (salsa 12 002)
CAROL WILLIAMS love is you / come back (salsa 12 003)
CANDIDO dancin' and prancin' / thousand finger man (salsa 12 004)
LOLEATTA HOLLOWAY runaway / that's what you said (salsa 12 005)
LEROY BURGESS heartbreaker / heavenly (salsa 12 006)

ENQUIRIES: info@salsoul.co.uk

**QUINNY** · September 16th, 2003, 06:36 PM

I'm sorry Greg, but what a waste of time. Reissues of these records is just what the world needs now.....NOT!
I wish him luck and hope he doesn't need it.
Just 2 words sum up my feelings:
SO WHAT?

**Greg Wilson** · September 16th, 2003, 07:27 PM

Quinny: You might not be interested in these releases, you've already said in a previous thread that you think the Salsoul label is overrated, but take into account that maybe some of the younger members who don't have these tracks on vinyl (also older members who'd like crisp new copies) might be interested.

When Ian Dewhirst is behind something you know you're going to get attention to detail and a quality product (rather than a thrown-together bog standard record company re-issue). For those of you that are interested, these Salsoul releases are pressed on 160 gram virgin vinyl, all exclusively re-mastered by Tom Moulton from the original master tapes and all cut at Frankford Wayne in NYC.

By January, thirty of these 12" singles will have been issued.

**Forrrce** · September 17th, 2003, 02:24 AM

Most of the titles are constanly re-issued in some form or other and are not difficult to obtain at all. I see your point, Greg, but it's pretty boring news, though not bad news.
The 'vinyl is warmer' nonsense brigade get fooled by the 180g pressing con - few of them have the sort of equipment (or know-how) that could make light of any 'benefits', anyway.
It's just astute marketing. And it makes me mad.

I second Quinny with a hearty yawn.

**Sami M** · September 17th, 2003, 02:30 AM

So now Salsoul as well, what next? I wonder were this leads to? Very interesting in a way. Allthough I belong to the group of potential buyers I rather buy the original 70's vinyl becouse of the feel and thought. A reissue decades later doesn't bring up same feelings, I prefer cd to that. Are they out aswell?

Besides with cd I can bring something new in to mix and I don't have to have two copies. But that's another tournament of opinions...

**Forrrce** · September 17th, 2003, 02:57 AM

I think the point here is that Salsoul never ducked out of public view, at least since it ground to a miserable halt around 1985. Sony were on the verge of acquiring the rights in 1989 (I know this because I was called by the dance department and asked if I wanted to compile for them) but some 18 months later, Indigo had the goods, then Mastercuts - and the label was effectively re-launched in the UK. M'Cuts did a very good job of it. And with the awful remix projects and US 12" and CD reissues through Bethlehem (not to mention Charly UK getting in on the act, also) Salsoul have continued to well out of the deal. That is why there's so much Salsoul product readily available and this latest news has all the impact of a spent matchstick. Shouldn't we be waiting a little while before we flog this dead horse again? At least give it time to decay, then we'll cut deeper next time! :roll:

As for you, Sami, I don't think you have too much trouble finding the original copies!

**Sami M** · September 17th, 2003, 05:18 AM

Well, I've been quite keen on finding about Salsoul ever since I totally fell for Loleatta Holloway! The last purchase of Christmas medley was great fun but not in the disco sense of the word!

I wonder will they bee reissuing anything by Charo...? Could somedoby tell where the Loveboat song can be found? I've only hear it on Dmitri from Paris' My Salsoul collection.

**efunk_adelic** · September 17th, 2003, 10:09 AM

Originally Written by Sami M

Allthough I belong to the group of potential buyers I rather buy the original 70's vinyl becouse of the feel and thought. A reissue decades later doesn't bring up same feelings, I prefer cd to that. Are they out aswell?

Besides with cd I can bring something new in to mix and I don't have to have two copies. But that's another tournament of opinions...

This turned out to be a very good discussion on original labels. There's a few 12" singles I'd like to replace with the original label & cover. I was just discussing Charo - Stay With Me last night... (what a coincidence!)... However, my 12" is in great condition, so I really don't need to replace it.
I also have a passion for the original labels... I've bought some re-issues of singles:

Cerrone - Love In C Minor/Supernature
Voyage - From East To West/Souvenirs

I would have been more thrilled to get them on

Cotillion, TK

Sami, there is a Salsoul Records collection I believe on a 2 CD set... I decided not to purchase it, because they seem to cram everything (the best of) onto a CD and leaving out the original length. To me, that would be a waste of money.

**BrunoRepublic** · September 17th, 2003, 10:20 AM

Originally Written by Forrrce

Most of the titles are constanly re-issued in some form or other and are not difficult to obtain at all.

I've heard that the Candido one goes for silly amounts of money now -- was this one not previously reissued, or is it just a case of people willing to pay absurd amounts of cash for an original copy?

The 'vinyl is warmer' nonsense brigade get fooled by the 180g pressing con - few of them have the sort of equipment (or know-how) that could make light of any 'benefits', anyway.

Agreed; I don't see the point in aiming audiophile pressings at the DJ market. Stanton cartridges and mixer phono stages aren't exactly the path to sonic excellence.

It's just astute marketing. And it makes me mad.

Well, it's nice for the five or so people who have decent equipment and are into this music.

On a side note, I have to wonder about all those records mastered by JosÈ Rodriguez at Frankford/Wayne. These sound absolutely wonderful with a decent cartridge; bright, clean, and clear -- but wouldn't they mistrack horribly with most DJ/consumer equipment?

**Forrrce** · September 17th, 2003, 11:24 AM

Graham,
Apart from the Rams Horn 12" from 1984, 'Thousand Finger Man' was previously on Canadian Salsoul 12, with 'Jingo' on the flip. There are a few Canadian-only Salsoul 12s whose obscurity defies belief. Joe Bataan's 'La Botella' and another re-mix of Skyy's 'First Time Around' by Levan (some 9 minutes plus) are among the candidates - and I hear there's a Gibbons mix of one of the Bunny Sigler tunes that's Canadian only.

**originalbigm** · September 17th, 2003, 03:44 PM

Originally Written by Forrrce

Graham,
Apart from the Rams Horn 12" from 1984, 'Thousand Finger Man' was previously on Canadian Salsoul 12, with 'Jingo' on the flip. There are a few Canadian-only Salsoul 12s whose obscurity defies belief. Joe Bataan's 'La Botella' and another re-mix of Skyy's 'First Time Around' by Levan (some 9 minutes plus) are among the candidates - and I hear there's a Gibbons mix of one of the Bunny Sigler tunes that's Canadian only.

Forrrce,Are you saying that these are hard to come by.When I read this post I dug out my copy of First Time Around and it is a 9:04 remix by Larry Levan made in Canada.While I really like this mix I utilized the B side " This Groove Is Bad", more often.A real kick ass work of party funk.

**QUINNY** · September 17th, 2003, 03:56 PM

Thousand Finger Man puts me in such a dilemma. Part of me screams "what's the fuss all about. How can such a cheesey record (with 1'29" of pure drivel at the front end and sounding like the Mike Sammes Singers on a bad night, in places) be thought so much of" and another part of me bellows back "those chords are great and that trumpet solo (too late in the track for my money) really is a little special, so naked , so vulnerable sounding".

Maybe I'd need to get stoned to fully appreciate it, eh?
I wonder how many it will sell on re-issue?

**Forrrce** · September 17th, 2003, 05:14 PM

originalbigm,
They're pretty scarce 'round these parts. I should bear in mind that things are not the same everywhere, but would I be wrong if I suggested you don't see the Skyy 12 often? The Candido seems to go for a lot of money and is a genuine rarity, I hope you'd agree.

Quinny,
I reckon 'Thousand Island Dressing' will probably outsell the other titles in the series listed - it's been constantly sampled (like so many others, I know) and seems to have particular appeal to house people. They're the ones who bought the bootleg 12s and it's probably house people who are most willing to pay the going rate for a proper copy. Oh, they'll want it on 12 all right.

**originalbigm** · September 17th, 2003, 06:49 PM

[quote="Forrrce"]originalbigm,
They're pretty scarce 'round these parts. I should bear in mind that things are not the same everywhere, but would I be wrong if I suggested you don't see the Skyy 12 often? The Candido seems to go for a lot of money and is a genuine rarity, I hope you'd agree.quote]

Well I checked Gemm for Candido and don't see any 12" for Thousand Finger Man/Jingo but there are 2 cdn copies of First Time Around listed for about $10.00 US.I noticed some fairly healthy prices for some Candido LP's $40-$88 US

**BrunoRepublic** · September 17th, 2003, 08:33 PM

The guys at Cosmos told me that one of the Candido 12s goes for $300 Cnd (I think they wanted $60 for the LP). Can't remember which one though...

**Forrrce** · September 18th, 2003, 02:23 AM

Originally Written by originalbigm

Well I checked Gemm for Candido and don't see any 12" for Thousand Finger Man/Jingo but there are 2 cdn copies of First Time Around listed for about $10.00 US.I noticed some fairly healthy prices for some Candido LP's $40-$88 US

Is the Skyy 12 the same Canadian re-mix? I should buy them, then(!) - the one dealer who I know to have had these sells them for around £50 each, easily making it the second most expensive Salsoul 12 I've seen on these shores, after 'Thousand Finger Man'.

**Leatherman** · September 18th, 2003, 10:23 AM

Thosand Finger Man was issued on 12" by BBE about 2 years ago to promote on of their comps.

All the best known Salsoul stuff has been re-issued to death. There are some good bits by the likes of Aurra, Surface, Jammers etc that hasn't been overly exploited, but I'm not sure anyone would be that interested in it anyway.

**originalbigm** · September 18th, 2003, 01:29 PM

Originally Written by Forrrce

Is the Skyy 12 the same Canadian re-mix? I should buy them, then(!) - the one dealer who I know to have had these sells them for around £50 each, easily making it the second most expensive Salsoul 12 I've seen on these shores, after 'Thousand Finger Man'.

Yes it appears so because the mix clocks in at 9:04 exactly the same as mine with This Groove is Bad on the b side

**MPS** · September 21st, 2003, 09:10 AM

Originally Written by originalbigm

Well I checked Gemm for Candido and don't see any 12" for Thousand Finger Man/Jingo but there are 2 cdn copies of First Time Around listed for about $10.00 US.I noticed some fairly healthy prices for some Candido LP's $40-$88 US

Ok, maybe on CD. But the Levan mix 12" of "First Time Around" with was only released in Canada. I bought my copy for cirka $35.

Also, the Candido 12" went for $500 at the A1 store in NY. I don't remember if it was US or Canadian though...

**Giovanni** · October 4th, 2003, 09:20 PM

.... again. The same old story sometimes pops up in this forum!!!
music owners vs collectors.
If you are in the first category, you are happy with just possessing that particular track, regardless of being the original, a reissue, a second pressing, a vinyl, a CD. If you are in the second one (like I am) you gotta have that particular track on that particular vinyl pressing.
Reissues are no doubt useful to get rare tracks at low cost. But for a collector (eh, Forrrce......) reissues like these are of no interest. Even, these reissues make me feel robbed of some secret treasure.