Why did Rinder and Lewis loose it so much in the 80's

[Leatherman]

They really went off the boil big time, seems strange.

Why?

[Bernie]

Not sure if you read the Laurin Rinder interview. It's here on the site at...
http://www.discomusic.com/disco-hist...laurin-01.html

From our conversations Laurin came across as having had his fill of the music scene and its uncertainties and instead jumped to TV scores which provided a steady income without the corporate BS.

[QUINNY]

I thought nearly all their records sounded like TV themes anyhoos. You mean to say they GOT WORSE???? :o :lol:
It's Sunday night, I've had 2 days in the sun, I'm listening to some decent toons and I'm feeling chilled. Some things have an effect on me.

[BrunoRepublic]

I thought nearly all their records sounded like TV themes anyhoos. You mean to say they GOT WORSE????

Yeah, most of their stuff from 1980 and beyond left something to be desired. You could tell they just weren't into it anymore, especially on their AVI material. Very short (<25 minutes) "albums", songs are uninspired, contracted out to others, or in one example that Paulo recently found, made out of recycled backing tracks used in their previous productions. It smacks of "contractual obligation"....

[Leatherman]

I will check the interview thanks Bernie. I assumed AVI was their label, or they were at least part owners? Am I wrong?

Stuff like "Sweet Magic", "Lust", "Cocomotion" are first class disco with the distictive Rinlew style.

Is any of the Saint Tropez material worth getting - not too chessy? I'm into stuff more like the titles mentioned above?

Quinny, I wasn't that keen on much of their stuff at the time, maybe it was too "Disco" - but I think it actually sounds better now.

[BrunoRepublic]

I will check the interview thanks Bernie. I assumed AVI was their label, or they were at least part owners? Am I wrong?

I don't they owned any part of the label, but I could be mistaken.

Is any of the Saint Tropez material worth getting - not too chessy? I'm into stuff more like the titles mentioned above?

The Saint Tropez stuff is very slick and commercial... but, as with Le Pamplemousse, by the early 80s Rinder and Lewis had little or nothing to do with them.

[Forrrce]

Leatherman,
Seymour Heller and Ray Harris were the men behind AVI. The 'V' for 'Variety' isn't coincidental - that was at least (one of) their('s) first area of business.

[Paulo]

Not only Rinder & Lewis loose it in the early 80's...almost everybody did. Chic did. Donna Summer did. Greg Diamond did...

I think it was because the whole thing was dissapearing before them. Maybe everybody was shooting in all directions to discover a new one commercially viable. In the process the old sound was gone.

On Laurin Rinder interview here, he said they were tired of suing labels for not getting their royalties paid, and then they switched to TV and movie soundtracks because of it provides steady income.

Still... I like some 80's tracks... for instance:

SHAKE IT DOWN on the EL COCO 1982 album... very danceable... very funky.

RIP OFF on LE PAMPLEMOUSSE 1984' PUT YOUR LOVE WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

CATACLYSM on RINDER & LEWIS 1980 album.

I like their R&B oriented SAINT TROPEZ 1983 album HOT AND NASTY. This is a good album.

But nothing of this comes near to classic records such as SEVEN DEADLY SINS, WARRIORS, DANCING IN PARADISE, LE SPANK, COCOMOTION, JE TAIME... etc