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    Michael Jackson had flops too

    Despite the pairing of two superstars, this record surprisingly failed to hit big.

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    Re: Michael Jackson had flops too

    I've always loved this one !!! :icon_cool:

    I suppose his contributon to The Wiz soundtrack would be considered a flop too...even though I love those,too.:icon_lol:
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    Re: Michael Jackson had flops too

    I actually bought the "Get It" tune back in the day (1988, I think) on a Cass-Single (cassette single). And, naturally, I was shocked at how a duet between Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder could only muster enough radio airplay and sales to make it to #80 on the Billboard Hot 100.

    I believe the "culprit" in that particular flop was that Motown probably released the duet around the same time that Michael Jackson's Epic records was releasing the latest single from the Bad album, and radio just didn't gravitate to playing TWO new MJ songs, and the duet was the victim.

    Another high-powered duet of that time period that similarly flopped was a duet between Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin (titled, I think, "It Wasn't, It Ain't Ever Gonna Be", or something like that).

    Just goes to show you .... what sounds good on paper, and even in the studio sometimes doesn't translate into public acceptance.

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    Quote Originally Written by drlove View Post
    Another high-powered duet of that time period that similarly flopped was a duet between Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin (titled, I think, "It Wasn't, It Ain't Ever Gonna Be", or something like that).

    Just goes to show you .... what sounds good on paper, and even in the studio sometimes doesn't translate into public acceptance.
    The full title is "It Isn't, It Wasn't, It Ain't Never Gonna Be" and it's an awful song with ridiculous lyrics . It's one of those songs where Franklin tried to look and sound younger than she really was.

    Stevie Wonder and Whitney Houston did a duet together in 1990, "We didn't know", and like the other two duets, they are not at their best.

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    eeeehm "Get it" is not a good song in my opinion, I'm not surprised that this flopped. They relied too much on the Jackson/Wonder combination and did a litte "Beat it"-variation. Same thing in my opinion with "State of Shock" Jacksons/Jagger, the whole album "Victory§ is a flop. But the rest MJ did, especially with The Jacksons, was really good.

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    I like this track too, I've just heard it for the first time on XMRadio last week, it's not that bad, it should had more air time when it was released back in '87.
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    I like "Get It" much better than "Just Good Friends"...talk about a cheesefest.

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    Could "Another Part Of Me" (1988) also be considered a flop? Considering how the first five tunes off of Bad went to #1, APOM missed the Top 10. It's a good song but not one you think off the top of your head when it comes to Bad.
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    Re: Michael Jackson had flops too

    Quote Originally Written by RobbaDobba View Post
    I like "Get It" much better than "Just Good Friends"...talk about a cheesefest.
    You bet...:icon_eek: I just finished listening to it (as the Bad CD was playing while I was typing).And the 1st thing I thought was how it belonged in the MJ had flops too thread !!!!

    And the song was written by Graham Lyle & Terry Britten !!! I guess every song they wrote couldn't be as solid as What's love got to do with it...
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    Re: Michael Jackson had flops too

    Quote Originally Written by Salsoul1975 View Post
    Could "Another Part Of Me" (1988) also be considered a flop? Considering how the first five tunes off of Bad went to #1, APOM missed the Top 10. It's a good song but not one you think off the top of your head when it comes to Bad.

    'APOM' is actually my favourite track on 'Bad'; for me it's the only track that still has some of the old Off The Wall/Thriller magic about it with those terrific horns & jagged bassline. The rest of Bad wasn't bad, just a step in a new direction which for me wasn't as special as his previous 2 Qunicy Jones LPs.
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    "You Can't Win" was no winner on the Hot 100, and neither was that grand collaboration "Pops, We Love You" (did Jacko take part in this one--I forget), both of which were released in early 1979. I think the fallout from "The Wiz" may have hindered some things there at the time.
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    Re: Michael Jackson had flops too

    Wasn't the single "Farewell, My Summer Love" a flop too? I think Motown released this as a single around the time that either "Off The Wall" or "Thriller" first came out and I don't think it did very well on the Billboard R&B charts.

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    Quote Originally Written by Cdnbob View Post
    Wasn't the single "Farewell, My Summer Love" a flop too? I think Motown released this as a single around the time that either "Off The Wall" or "Thriller" first came out and I don't think it did very well on the Billboard R&B charts.
    "Farewell My Summer Love" was originally recorded sometime in the early 70's, but wasn't released until after the pandemonium of "Thriller" began to ebb. Most likely the late spring/early summer of 1984. It scratched the Top 40 for a few weeks.

    "One Day In Your Life" was also a Hot 100 stiff in the spring of 1981.

    The Jackson 5 had a period when their songs didn't perform so hot on the Hot 100, particularly in 1973. "Hallelujah Day" and "Get It Together" didn't make the Top 20. "Whatever You Got, I Want", the follow-up to "Dancing Machine" fizzled after spending a week or two in the Top 40 in late 1974. Going back to 1972, the oft-forgotten "Sugar Daddy" was their only Top 10 that year. "Little Bitty Pretty One", "Looking Through The Windows" and "Corner Of The Sky" all couldn't make the Top 10 (not flops per se, but considering how they were white hot in 1970-71, 1972 was what one could call disappointing, chart-wise).
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    Quote Originally Written by drh View Post
    eeeehm "Get it" is not a good song in my opinion, I'm not surprised that this flopped. They relied too much on the Jackson/Wonder combination and did a litte "Beat it"-variation. Same thing in my opinion with "State of Shock" Jacksons/Jagger, the whole album "Victory§ is a flop. But the rest MJ did, especially with The Jacksons, was really good.
    I have to disagree with you there - Torture was a brilliant single and is an absolutely blinding track that I have been playing off the Victory album for some time now. There's a great slow one on that album too - One More Chance. I do agree that State of Shock was a shocker when it was released and I don't know why they collaborated with Mick Jagger, but I guess a few others were doing that too - David Bowie for one!
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    Quote Originally Written by SandraDee View Post
    'APOM' is actually my favourite track on 'Bad'; for me it's the only track that still has some of the old Off The Wall/Thriller magic about it with those terrific horns & jagged bassline. The rest of Bad wasn't bad, just a step in a new direction which for me wasn't as special as his previous 2 Qunicy Jones LPs.
    Yip, I agree - I couldn't get into Bad after Thriller and Off The Wall - I still can't, but APOM is a good track and quite catchy like something left over from Off The Wall or Thriller and stuck on Bad so that it didn't get lost.

    Now talking about left overs - how many more albums worth of music is there in the vaults and how soon will we start to hear them?????????

    Will a 'live' album taken from the 'This is it' rehearsals be a winner or a bad taste production????? I just know we haven't heard the last of Michael and if done tastefully, I am looking forward to hearing those tracks that have lain in the vault for all these years.
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    Farewell My Summer Love is actually one of my all-time favorite MJ tunes. The fact that it was an 11 y/o recording (that had sat in Motown's vaults) that still managed to crack the top 40 is a testament to (1) Michael Jackson's awesome appeal in 1983-84 and (2) the strength of the song itself. Michael hadn't made a Motown recording since 1975, but Motown still wanted to cash in on his early '80s superstardom, and the 1984 remix of the 1973 track Farewell My Summer Love was the result. I say, "Thank You Motown" for dusting off that lost gem !

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    Quote Originally Written by Salsoul1975 View Post
    "Farewell My Summer Love" was originally recorded sometime in the early 70's, but wasn't released until after the pandemonium of "Thriller" began to ebb. Most likely the late spring/early summer of 1984. It scratched the Top 40 for a few weeks.

    "One Day In Your Life" was also a Hot 100 stiff in the spring of 1981.

    The Jackson 5 had a period when their songs didn't perform so hot on the Hot 100, particularly in 1973. "Hallelujah Day" and "Get It Together" didn't make the Top 20. "Whatever You Got, I Want", the follow-up to "Dancing Machine" fizzled after spending a week or two in the Top 40 in late 1974. Going back to 1972, the oft-forgotten "Sugar Daddy" was their only Top 10 that year. "Little Bitty Pretty One", "Looking Through The Windows" and "Corner Of The Sky" all couldn't make the Top 10 (not flops per se, but considering how they were white hot in 1970-71, 1972 was what one could call disappointing, chart-wise).
    FMSL was a number 7 hit in the UK when it was re-released in 1984 as part of an album of 'lost' Motown tracks - what a coincidence that he was still riding high in the charts on the Epic label with Thriller - two years after its initial release, spawning all those memorable hits!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Written by KayJayEm54 View Post
    Now talking about left overs - how many more albums worth of music is there in the vaults and how soon will we start to hear them?????????

    There was a box set released that included a few tracks that didn't make it to MJ LPs - I promised myself I'd get a copy but they are getting pricey now MJ's died.:icon_sad:
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    Quote Originally Written by KayJayEm54 View Post
    Yip, I agree - I couldn't get into Bad after Thriller and Off The Wall - I still can't, but APOM is a good track and quite catchy like something left over from Off The Wall or Thriller and stuck on Bad so that it didn't get lost.
    Funny you should mention this - since Bad is my favorite MJ album (with Off the wall a very close 2nd).
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    Re: Michael Jackson had flops too

    Not exactly a flop, more like an overlooked track...

    "Get On The Floor" off the "Off the Wall" LP- love the rhythm and drive of this song, killer strings, Brothers Johnson-like funk, tight break...loved it from day one and is my most-played song of MJ's recently. I consider this his most "Disco" track, yet I don't think I EVER heard it at the clubs BITD.
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    Quote Originally Written by srg View Post
    Not exactly a flop, more like an overlooked track...

    "Get On The Floor" off the "Off the Wall" LP- love the rhythm and drive of this song, killer strings, Brothers Johnson-like funk, tight break...loved it from day one and is my most-played song of MJ's recently. I consider this his most "Disco" track, yet I don't think I EVER heard it at the clubs BITD.

    Have you heard this track on the remastered 'Off The Wall'? It's fantastic & I never dreamed they could improve on the original but they have. Alot of the rhythm section has been brought forward in the mix & the track just jumps out at you now.:icon_eek::icon_razz: Also, I only recently learned that this track was originally intended for the Brothers Johnson's 'Light Up The Night' LP which I also love to bits.
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    Hey SandraDee!
    My copy of "Off the Wall" is the "Special Edition"- is this the one you mean?? Yes , I noticed the sound on the cd is pretty immaculate (compared to the vinyl). Also reading the credits:is bass player Louis Johnson one of the Brothers Johnson? No wonder this song has a "Stomp"-like feel to it (our boy Michael was most definitely listening to the Disco sound of the day as he co-produced this track!)
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    Yes srg, that's the one with the interviews with Quincy Jones & Rod Temperton & the demo versions of 'Dont Stop..' & 'Working Day & Night'. Louis Johnson IS one of Brothers Johnson. Michael repaid the favour by contributing to the 'Light Up The Night' LP on the 'This Had To Be' track.
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    Quote Originally Written by SandraDee View Post
    Have you heard this track on the remastered 'Off The Wall'? It's fantastic & I never dreamed they could improve on the original but they have. Alot of the rhythm section has been brought forward in the mix & the track just jumps out at you now.:icon_eek::icon_razz: Also, I only recently learned that this track was originally intended for the Brothers Johnson's 'Light Up The Night' LP which I also love to bits.
    What fun we could have mixing those two songs together - Stomp and Get on the Floor - wicked, wicked, wicked - I can hear the end result as I type this message.

    Opens up another avenue for re-releases - picture this 'Michael Jackson versus ..........' and the first one could be Michael Jckson vs The Brothers Johnson - 'Get on the Floor and Stomp' or 'Stomp the Floor'?????
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