Songs Where Short Version Is Better Than 12 Inch Mix

[paul]

I'm a big fan of having the longest versions of all my disco songs. I'm talking about the original 12" mixes, not some of those newer deconstructed ones.
Examples include Loving Is Really My Game, Boogie Oogie Oogie, and Turn the Beat Around.
Now there are some exceptions in my opinion where the shorter versions are better musically.

My first example is Diana Ross' Boss. I have both album and extended versions. While I feel the longer version is still ok, it loses a little of it's musical flow when compared to the shorter album version. Again, I'd recommend the 54 soundtrack here if you wanna get that version at a low price.

My next example is even profoundly superior. It's a 5:29 version of "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)." I have that version along with the longer original 6:30 version and the much shorter radio edits.
That 5:29 version found on the Disco Nights, Vol 6 cd sounds exceptionally good. From the quick get out of your seat openning, to the deep disco embracing break in the middle, to the closing with Sylvester's sensous moans at the end. Nice work. I suspect that version probably was released a year or two after the original release but I have no idea.

Anyway, those are my recommended versions. Feel free to chime in with some of your favorite song versions.:icon_cool:

[Cory Ander]

the only example I can think of where I prefer the short version of a particular song to the longer version is "Love to Love You Baby". The unedited 16 minute version is so obviously mostly filler, especially the synthesizer solo and the vocal refrain being repeated over and over and over until I find it annoying. But in most other cases, if I like a song, I almost always prefer the unedited versions to the point where I'd rather just not hear a song at all then hear some chopped up version of it.

[paul]

the only example I can think of where I prefer the short version of a particular song to the longer version is "Love to Love You Baby". The unedited 16 minute version is so obviously mostly filler, especially the synthesizer solo and the vocal refrain being repeated over and over and over until I find it annoying. But in most other cases, if I like a song, I almost always prefer the unedited versions to the point where I'd rather just not hear a song at all then hear some chopped up version of it.

I'm reluctantly inclined to agree with you. Aren't there a couple of short versions though?

[drlove]

Paul, I also highly recommend hearing Vickie Sue Robinson's Spanish-language recording of "Turn The Beat Around". It takes that latin percussion to a whole new level of international appeal. Not sure if there's a 12" of that; I just have a 45 rpm version.

[paul]

Paul, I also highly recommend hearing Vickie Sue Robinson's Spanish-language recording of "Turn The Beat Around". It takes that latin percussion to a whole new level of international appeal. Not sure if there's a 12" of that; I just have a 45 rpm version.

Really, I wonder if it's on cd. I would love to hear it.:icon_cool:

[SandraDee]

I completely agree with you re 'The Boss' - I much prefer the LP version to the extended version.
I always much preferred the LP/45 version of Narada Michael Walden's 'I Dont Want Nobody Else (To Dance With You)' to the 12" version - the 12" doesn't seem to have the exciting energy & atmosphere somehow. I also prefer the edited version of Cerrone's 'Je Suis Music' as it omits the rock guitar of the LP version.
Oh & I also have a 5.15 edit of 'Im a Man' by Macho which I always play instead of the LP version 'cos, although I love the track, it just goes on too long with too little variation for my liking - the same could be said of 'Try Me I Know We Can Make It' by Donna - it just goes on for too long while the 45 version is so succinct & preferable IMO. It has to be said that nobody can create a 15-20 minute track quite as well as Alec Costandinos - his long tracks never get boring or overly repetitive do they?

[PierreConstantin]

EWF's "Boogie Wonderland" 12" version doesn't add nothing to the lp version.

"Here Comes That Sound" by Love DeLuxe is an excellent song but the last 5 minutes of the 17 minute lp version are so repetitive! The same occurs with Santa Esmeralda's "Another cha-cha". Macho's "I'm a Man" is also repetitive but not in the same way: every musical line is repeated a little too many times (and not just one part like "Here Comes That Sound"). The Prelude edit [7:30] is just the right length.

Donna Summer's "Je t'aime (moi non plus)" is awfully long and boring. Many Summer 12"s are especially unimaginative, "I Feel Love", "Down Deep Inside" and "Dim All the Lights" being the worse.

I've always hated the side-long "Get On The Funk Train" by Munich Machine. (Generally I don't find the one-side-long songs very creative.)

I don't see the point in some RSO extended versions like "You should be dancing" or "Shadow dancing".

In the obscurities department "I put a spell on you" by Dee Dee (1979) is very repetitive in its 5 minute form while the 3:40 7" version has all the good elements. The same can be said for CKB's "Superman" (1978).

But those are isolated cases because short versions of disco songs are basically very frustrating. And the worst long remixes are not from the 70's orchestrated disco music but from the 90's and the 00's synth dance music. That began in the mid-80's: remember all those mixes that Thompson/Barbiero did for Aretha Franklin or Whitney Houston diluting all the original song in a meaningless unmusical synthesized noise :icon_smile:.

[Disco Funk]

Some remixes are good and some are horrible or uninspiring. For example, I'm a huge fan of David Todd, the guy who remixed a lot of the RCA stuff in the late 70s for artists like Faith Hope & Charity and New York Community Choir. But he dropped the ball on Lou Courtney's Stubborn Kind of Fella. The original 12 inch mix had nice snappy drums, but for some reason Todd's remix made them sound muted and bland.

I also prefer the original mix of Philly Devotions 'I Just Can't Say Goodbye' when it was released on Don De. Moulton remixed it for CBS but made it sound too tinny and trebley. I think it was due to too much reverb. I notice John Davis' style was to have very little reverb in the mixes for his tracks, so perhaps Moulton was trying to make it sound too much like PIR?

Here my list of what I prefer with the < sign referring to the better one is in the 'greater than' side of the sign

BCG - Street Talk - 12inch > LP
Gentlemen & Their Lady - Like Her - 45 instr. flip > 12inch
Loleatta Holloway - Hit & Run - LP > 12inch
Instant Funk - I Got My Mind Made Up - LP > 12inch
Faith Hope & Charity - Life Goes On - LP with slow intro > 12inch
Trammps - S/T - 1974 LP > 1977 remix LP
First Choice - Let No Man Put Asunder - Shep Pettibone's Remix >> LP > Walter Gibbon's remix
Barbara Pennington - 24 hrs a Day - LP > 12in (edited to be longer, was way too repetitive)
Philly USA - Speak Well - 5 min 12inch > 7 min 12inch
Taana Gardner - Heartbeat - 6 min > 9 min mix

Oh yeah, and thumbs down on the RSO Bee Gees 'extended versions', with the exception of Stayin Alive, they're all lame re-edits. Same goes for the extended version of Bay City Rollers 'Don't Stop The Music' and Jacksons 'Enjoy Yourself', both were just re-edits. And 'Gotta Get It' by Tony Valor in it's 12inch version was the same mix as the LP, only edited to repeat the first part of the song. Why Tom why?! :)

That's it for now.

Disco Funk

[paul]

Seeing Shep Pettibone in that last post reminds me of his remix of "Come Let Me Love You." I love his extended remix which I have never seen on cd.
Pierre, SD, I know the lp version of "I'm A Man" is a little long especially for those new to this music but I still like it. That said, I never heard a shorter version. I guess both of you are saying that shorter length would be easier to listen to. :icon_cool:

Disco Funk, did you mean ">" in this sentence below?
Here my list of what I prefer with the < sign referring to the better one is in the 'greater than' side of the sign

[Disco Funk]

Disco Funk, did you mean &quot;>&quot; in this sentence below?
Here my list of what I prefer with the < sign referring to the better one is in the 'greater than' side of the sign

That's my math nerdness coming out. In math 1 > 0 is the same as saying 1 is greater than 0. I was just using it to mean A > B or A is better than B. I probably could have just typed it in LOL! Disco Funk

[PierreConstantin]

Pierre, SD, I know the lp version of "I'm A Man" is a little long especially for those new to this music but I still like it. That said, I never heard a shorter version. I guess both of you are saying that shorter length would be easier to listen to. :icon_cool:

SD means ??

Another edit is the 11:30 but I still prefer the 7:30. Never found the 4:30 7".

[paul]

SD means ??

SandraDee :icon_cool:

[PierreConstantin]

SandraDee :icon_cool:

Ok, thanks :icon_biggrin:

[toto]

I completely agree with you re 'The Boss' - I much prefer the LP version to the extended version.
I always much preferred the LP/45 version of Narada Michael Walden's 'I Dont Want Nobody Else (To Dance With You)' to the 12" version - the 12" doesn't seem to have the exciting energy & atmosphere somehow. I also prefer the edited version of Cerrone's 'Je Suis Music' as it omits the rock guitar of the LP version.
Oh & I also have a 5.15 edit of 'Im a Man' by Macho which I always play instead of the LP version 'cos, although I love the track, it just goes on too long with too little variation for my liking - the same could be said of 'Try Me I Know We Can Make It' by Donna - it just goes on for too long while the 45 version is so succinct & preferable IMO. It has to be said that nobody can create a 15-20 minute track quite as well as Alec Costandinos - his long tracks never get boring or overly repetitive do they?

I know what you mean about The Boss but the break with the vocals over the top just sounded inspired when I first heard it and I still love it - but after that it goes on waaaay too long and does nothing! I love the 10 minute 12inch mix of I'm A Man but the album version loses some of the punch (or is it because I am so familiar with the 12inch version), I've never heard of a 5 minute mix. Try Me is a bit long but I love the extra vocals on "We Can Make It" from the album that are missing from the 45. I actually don't really like the full version of Last Dance, there is a 6 minute version on the Divas of Dance CD which cuts out the second slow part but keeps in the instrumental part - that's the version for me! Dance (Disco Heat) goes on a bit on the 12inch version. Costandinos and Midney did know how to make side long creations - Moroder wasn't as skilled at that IMO.

toto

[PierreConstantin]

Costandinos and Midney did know how to make side long creations - Moroder wasn't as skilled at that IMO.

True.
Moroder has many flaws but since he's the man behind Donna Summer, for lots of people he's untouchable and with the time he acquired a god status :icon_biggrin:.
IMO his music is seldom inventive.

[SandraDee]

I've never heard of a 5 minute mix.

I have the 5.15 edit on one of those Italian box collections of all the Jacques Fred Petrus/Goody music/Little Macho music LPs. They're never off my CD player or computer!:icon_razz:

[paul]

Thanks Bernie/Johan for the title edit.

That said, keep in mind I'm looking for the best version. It may be short, long, or somewhere in between. :icon_cool:

[Zef]

Have to admit.....I really love the Boss 12" with the intro and the breaks. I much prefer it to the LP version.

[DonaldCleveland]

Janet Jackson- When I think of you

[disco1999]

Oral Caress - Charlie's angels (disco version) 13.21 is a waste of time!
Donna Summer - Try me, I know we can make it 17.52 of basically the same stuff
Musique - Keep on jumpin'
Silver convention - Get up and boogie
Ronnie Jones - Soul sister
GQ - Disco nights (rock-freak)

[PierreConstantin]

Donna Summer - Try me, I know we can make it 17.52 of basically the same stuff

And the worst of it is that the song seems made of bits and pieces, lacking the unity of "Love to Love You Baby".

[KBallenger53]

I always liked the 45 of "Float On" by The Floaters better than the extended version, because it was tooo long and drawn out. It would actually lull me to sleep!!!

'NUFF SAID

[whitesockedfunk]

Cheryl Lynn - Got To Be Real because the short version has the "soo hoo, soo hoo, soo hoo" which is the best part of the song and the 12" does not (which I never understood!) :icon_cool:

[disco1999]

Oral Caress - Charlie's angels (disco version) 13.21 is a waste of time!

Just realized now that last year on May25th 2008 I did same comment

[disco1999]

Foxy - Party boys (Disconet extended mix) 10:30
also sounds like its made from bits and pieces