Reply With QuoteNot trying to be a wise ass (this time anyway :lol: ) Midas but not too many records or record players were playing at any other speed. 78s and 16 &1/3 were from a bygone generation.
Indie Release [Level 4]
most of my uk-euro 12" records are 45rpm
and from us they where 45 and 33,
any reason for this.
btw thanx k-bee for the link to urgdjs.com
great mixes, i liked your elecrto mix,
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Not trying to be a wise ass (this time anyway :lol: ) Midas but not too many records or record players were playing at any other speed. 78s and 16 &1/3 were from a bygone generation.
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Indie Release [Level 4]
what i meant was, why not keep it a standard like lp 33 and
singles 45 ?
I made mistakes as a dj you know... and you look
like a fool ...a big one!!
Gold Record [Level 7]
about the record speeds...I don't think there's any standards here. I even own 12"s with both 33 and 45 speeds on the same side....very annoying. (some detroit techno artists of the early 90's apparantly thought it was funny to mess up the vinyl up like that.)
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btw thanx k-bee for the link to urgdjs.com
great mixes, i liked your elecrto mix,
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You're more than welcome, Midas. There'll be a new update on the site this weekend. I'll be adding an classic house megamix you might enjoy :) BTW the electro track is an original and not a remix
Underground Hit [Level 5]
Midas,
From my collection the Euro/UK are also mostly 45 and the US are nearly always 33 (1/3).
The technical reason for cutting a 12" at 45 RPM is simply getting more output, i.o.w. the signal to noise ratio is better and the sound is less prone to feedback if you play it really loud on crappy equipment and you can cut a little more / deeper sub bass in the given vinyl space.
There's more to making a good record though, (Herbie Powers made some of the best sounding records ever on 33 RPM) and besides the higer output the only practical advantage of 45 RPM is the fact that you can play 7" and 12" in a row without the risk of forgetting to change the speed, (i had Bobby Thurston at the time on Prelude 33 and Epic 45 , still remember the embarressment ):-(
Guess the choice was just a difference in perception, like small records are 45's and big ones are 33's in US and singles run on 45 and LP's on 33 in Europe
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It would have been nice to have had them all at the same speed. However as a working jock I'd write 33 in BIG letters on any copy that played at that speed. I didn't have cause to be precious about the tools of my trade. So I never, ever played one at the wrong speed.
The reason why the UK adopted 45 where the originals were nearly always at 33 is rather baffling. It was mooted that the higher velocity gave superior fidelity, but an awful lot of posters here have written that UK pressings are inferior......so it obviously fell on deaf ears. :)
The other reason for 33 against 45 is length obtainable at a decent cutting level. You could get about 15 minutes of pretty high volume at 33 whereas on a 45 you'd probably get about 10 minutes at the same level.
Acetate [Level 1]
the quality of soud tends to be better on a 33 rpm
but i think it stems from Tom Moulton(the inventor of the 12")
for anyone that dosn't no the story it happend by accident the pressing plant had run out of 7" slates and Tom needed a tune pressed urgently so he suggested pressing it on 12" and at 33 so the grooves where more spread out as to cover the size. It wasn't till he played the finished article that he realised the sound quality potential. these 12" records where only given to dj,s as promotion to begin with as record companies believed they where too expensive and ultimately harmed sales of lp's
just found this http://www.disco-disco.com/tributes/tom.html
for more info :D
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Actually, it's usually better on 45, unless the vinyl is warped. Some of the audiophile labels that are still pressing vinyl will often split an album into two discs and cut it at 45. Greater headroom at the high frequencies and less tracking problems toward the inner grooves.Originally Written by black wax
Double Platinum Record [Level 9]
I agree when you say that a 45 rpm 12" will have better sound & tracking than an LP Graham because the grooves are farther apart, but it wouldn't be better than a 33rpm 12" single surely as the grooves are still farther apart but the velocity less. Sorry to query your extensive knowledge on this subject.
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Double Platinum Record [Level 9]
No need to apologize :)
It's not so much that the grooves are further apart, but that the higher velocity allows for greater frequency range. The grooves on a 33 might be farther apart, but the lower velocity gives you lower headroom, especially at the end of a side. This negates the benefit of having wider grooves in the first place. This is difficult to explain without diagrams, but.... if a 33 RPM disc is cut really loud, the resulting groove modulations will be very "squished" towards the end of each side. Tighter modulations require a finer stylus to properly track, which you're certainly not going to see on a DJ deck. And if you cut too loud, the modulations will be narrower than the cutting head, thus resulting in nasty distortion. If groove spacing was the be-all and end-all, we'd have switched to 16 RPM discs long ago...
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