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dark proto-techno
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When the LP came out, the other DJ at our club got it before me.
He brought it over to my house...
Got me wicked stoned...
Had me listen to "Anger", in the dark , through headphones...
I just about had a nervous breakdown!
For my money...?
"Anger" is the utmost reason to own the "Seven Deadly Sins" LP.
I always considered it as "Tribal", actually. Once the term "Tribal" had come about.
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Is the "Seven Deadly Sins" Lp fairly tough to find ??? Have never come across it down hereI always thought a concept album like this (surrounding each deadly sin) was sexy, sexy, sexy.
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VERY tough to find! And the 12" of "Lust" goes for a King's ransom. Although, for the life of me, I don't understand why. It's really, rather standard "El Coco" fare.Originally Written by drlove
Is the "Seven Deadly Sins" Lp fairly tough to find ??? Have never come across it down here
I know there's a bootleg re-press that came-out in the UK a couple years ago. You know... Duplicated the cover and the labels. Made it look just like the real thing. But it's Mastered from a needle-drop. I was going to buy it from a shop in Manchester, but the salesman was honest about the questionable origins of the vinyl. And my original AVI/US copy is still like new, so I passed on getting the back-up copy.
My #2 favorite from the LP is "SLOTH", where the entire track is built on this "Carnival of Souls"-sounding calliope. And at the end, it builds to this frantic, almost "disturbing" pace.
AWESOME LP!!!!
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Thanks, Stephen (as always) for the great info, and you've certainly whetted my appetite for these "Sins" :icon_biggrin:
As I'm traveling to Denver this weekend, will see if I can find any "Sins" in the Mile High City . . . I'm sure I'll have fun trying
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"Lust" has been reissued by Unidisc on vinyl a couple of times, longer than the original LP/12", but at least one of those pressings seems to have come from a really bad tape (distortion on every kick). AFAIK the 12" version of "Envy" (the LP seems to be an edit of this) has only ever been issued on that very rare (and now expensive) promo.
Seven Deadly Sins is the most difficult-to-find Rinder & Lewis solo release. I paid $50 for a UK copy, and regretted it. Terrible mastering, even worse than AVI's own!
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The only one in my possession is the UK LP on Pye. The others were all borrowed and have since been returned.
I've seen two Unidisc 12"s for "Lust". One is mid-80s (I think, black label with neon-like logo); this one has quite poor sound. I *think* it was one of their multi-artist 12s. The other is more recent (90s?) but I haven't heard it. IIRC, it has "Willie And The Hand Jive" on the other side. Saw it in NYC several years ago but didn't get it and the store has since closed.
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I have this pressing (it has a barcode on the label) and for me the sound quality is very good up to perfect. The 12" version is also featured on the sampler "Disco 54 - The AVI Collection" which offers the song in wonderful quality, too.
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I have this one, too. Yuppers... It was one of those excellent Unidisc 12" pressings. (Their re-releases were, either really good, or really bad, huh?) I bought it, moreso to have a re-mastered copy of "WILLIE & THE HAND JIVE".
"GLUTTONY", from the Seven Deadly Sins LP, is the prototype for the arrangement of "WILLIE & THE HAND JIVE". The latter, just having a bit more "I FEEL LOVE"-ish elements in it. (Run the verses from "WILLIE..." on top of the breaks in Patrick Cowley's "I FEEL LOVE". It's wooonderful!!!)
"LUST" is 9'28" on the 12", and 7'30" on the LP. And you're right...the long version of "ENVY/ANIMAL FIRE" was only available on the AVI pro 12". I can't say that I've ever heard the long version of "ENVY...". But, if it's just the LP version, stretched-out, I don't think missing anything special.
I had always hoped that Quality Records, in Canada, had released the LP, so I could have a better pressing (Quality's pressing of the "COCOMOTION / I'M MAD AS HELL" promo 12", is infinitely better than the AVI!), but I've never seen one of the 7DS LP.
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The LP appears to be edited down from the 12" (as opposed to the 12" being extended from the LP), but when I was trying to recreate the LP edit (to save me several hours of tedious declicking of that atrocious AVI vinyl), I found one point where the mix seemed slightly different -- something that was panned middle in one was panned left in the other or something like that. Gah!
But anyway, it's not a particularly memorable song. How odd that it was chosen to be the single.
They may have -- they definitely did Warriors, as I have a copy -- but if they did I've never seen it either. Even in Canada, one is more likely to find US copies of the Le Pamplemousse LPs than Canadian ones. I didn't even know there were Canadian copies pressed of Le Spank until recently.
FWIW, not all US AVI releases have the notorious bass-shy mastering, which I believe is what happened when they took it in-house. For example, the Cocomotion LP was mastered by Capitol, and sounds quite good. The Canadian pressing of that is a bit dull in comparison.
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Well it would be if it hadn't been crushed in the "Loudness war".
Having said that, it's not the 12" version, for the original 12" version is the same as the LP. This one continues on for a couple more glorious minutes.
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I had to jump in as you're talking about one of my all time favorite LP's, and Producers.
I have a Mexican pressing of Seven Deadly Sins on the Gamma Label, sound quality is fine.
And from 1980 the "Cataclysm" LP (U.S.A. AVI pressing) with the one track worth playing "Cataclysm", similar in style to the Seven Deadly Sins LP.
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I was checking out my copy of "Cataclysm", last night.
Is yours like mine?
The cover is actually (although carefully) scotch taped over and old, blue AVI promo 12" cover! With the center holes cut out of the cardboard, under the "Cataclysm" cover paper.
Not even glued... Scotch taped!!!
Money was no object, when it came to packaging at AVI, huh?:icon_lol:
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Wow! Mine is on a real sleeve. I do have a promo copy of El Coco's Revolución that has a sticker with a corrected tracklisting.I was checking out my copy of "Cataclysm", last night.
Is yours like mine?
The cover is actually (although carefully) scotch taped over and old, blue AVI promo 12" cover! With the center holes cut out of the cardboard, under the "Cataclysm" cover paper.
Not even glued... Scotch taped!!!
Money was no object, when it came to packaging at AVI, huh?:icon_lol:
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The original promos went out with the different track at the end of side B.
AVI recalled them from the record pools, changed the track, then put the sticker on the remaining promo covers.
And... while we're on the subject (sort of)... Has anyone ever seen an actual cover for the AVI LP, "The RinLew All-Stars"?
Mine just has an AVI 12" cover. But it is a complete LP. About 10 songs on it. Each one as forgettable as the next, unfortunately.
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Funny that the actual credits read :
Arranged by the Rinlew Allstars
Artwork [album design] by The Commitee.
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Yes. My copy (which I got off the 'net, still sealed, a few years ago) has this cover:
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Nice bunch...Right off the bat I'd say 3/9 ???Yes. My copy (which I got off the 'net, still sealed, a few years ago) has this cover:
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Stephen, mine has a hole punch in the upper left hand corner, but otherwise properly assembled.I was checking out my copy of "Cataclysm", last night.
Is yours like mine?
The cover is actually (although carefully) scotch taped over and old, blue AVI promo 12" cover! With the center holes cut out of the cardboard, under the "Cataclysm" cover paper.
Not even glued... Scotch taped!!!
Money was no object, when it came to packaging at AVI, huh?:icon_lol:
are you guys aware of another mini-ep entitled "TIME TRAVELERS" by RINDER AND LEWIS?
it states on the back cover: the concept of the album is to create mental images. Four movies for the mind to manufacture it's own visual interpretation.
the 4 songs are" TIME TRAVELER - THE RISE AND FALL OF VLAD DRACULA - BLACK BEAUTY - AN ATLANTEAN DREAM AVI 1982
all but 1 of these (BLACK BEAUTY) were released earlier on the IN SEARCH OF ORCHESTRA LP AVI 1977
I find it odd that they resurrected these songs on another LP, they are both collectable today, but at the time didn't make much noise.
anyone else notice that "A TASTE OF GHOSTS" from the In Search of LP was the inspiration for the intro to their version of "JE'TAIME" by ST. TROPEZ.
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I think mine is just one of the earliest copies. Some screw-up at the plant that caused them to hand-assemble a few dozen covers for the record pools. As interesting a factoid as it is, it doesn't change the fact that the LP is a pretty big waste of time.
This whole thread has had me spend the weekend backtracking through all my R&L productions, from "Mondo Disco", on up through the 80's. As much as we slobber and grasp at AVI releases, as collector "must haves"... Quite honestly, I could do a 3 to 4-Disc CD of Greatest Hits (all long versons, of course) for all the R&L/AVI releases, and have it be comprehensive enough to do away with my vinyl. I mean...okay. It was a distinct "sound". But, "en toto", it wasn't terribly earthshaking. Even in his 2001 interview with Bernie;
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Lauren admits to the rather haphazard fruition of the whole thing...
"Laurin and Michael still in their acid dropping hard rock stage and long hair would stop in at AVI to talk. It was here around 1973 that they were asked by Harris if they knew anything about "this new music called Disco" to which Laurin shrugged and said, "Na, I don't know anything' about that." They were then asked if they would like to go into the studio and try something out. The two were like, "Ya sure, whatever�" They just knew that it paid well and they were capable of doing the work."
...Within a two-month stretch they pounded out tons of material with the first one being El Coco's "Let Get It Together." When I asked Laurin how the name El Coco came about he readily admits, "We were doing a lot of cocaine�it was pretty much that simple my friend."
I did notice that "Time Traveler" isn't listed in the Discography. Could be an AVI generated release? As opposed to an actual R&L idea?
Either way... With the disintegration of the material's quality, I ask, as one collector to others... Is it worth the search for these latter-year R&L productions? (There's even 2 more R&L LPS, after "Cataclysm"! And 1 more "El Coco", after "Revolucion".) Even from a collector's point of view?
I'm not including the Butterfly projects in my thoughts, because they were created, as if from another set of Producers, altogether. You have to listen pretty deep, to find the traces of the R&L/AVI sound, buried in those recordings. Although, "Volga Boatmen", from Tuxedo Junction's "Take The 'A' Train", is PURE "El Coco". The difference between AVI and Butterfly is so startling, that there has to be more-then-meets-the-eye in explaining the %1000 jump in production values.
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Frankly, no. I have some of these and for the most part, they're dreadful. I'm shocked to see these commanding three-figure prices now; I got them years ago off the net, still sealed, and it was apparent that they'd been gathering dust in warehouses for 20+ years, and for good reason. From 1980 onward, their AVI output screamed of contractual obligation. They lack the innovation, energy, and quirkiness of their earlier releases. Most have really whiny vocalists. The albums -- if you can even call them albums, since they have six or fewer short songs and total running times well under 30 minutes -- are simply uninspired and boring. It's quite fitting that they couldn't even bother to title half of them. Here's my take on them...
Rinder & Lewis: Cataclysm
- A rather dark, dystopian synth-rock concept album. You can tell that they put some real effort into this, but it doesn't quite work IMHO.
Rinder & Lewis: Half Circle
- A compilation of their earlier stuff, with one new or previously unissued track that is pretty good, but not worth what this album is going for these days.
Rinder & Lewis: Full Circle
- Harder rock. Perhaps this is the sort of stuff they really wanted to do, but it's pretty dire. Contains a truly horrid cover of "Tainted Love".
Cheetah: (self-titled)
- Interesting concept (backing tracks from older R&L songs with new vocals... ooh, early mash-ups!) but really just comes across as a lazy excuse of an album. The vocals on this are particularly weak.
Le Pamplemousse: (self-titled 4-track album, not to be confused with earlier self-titled album from the 70s)
Much weaker than previous Le Pamplemousse efforts, but still sort of okay for "Take The Load Off Me". This EP could've been decent if anyone involved had cared about it.
Le Pamplemousse: My Love Is Burning Up
- Terrible, forgettable. Not much else I can say about this.
Le Pamplemousse: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
- I haven't heard this one, but it isn't even Rinder & Lewis. I think it's from 1984.
El Coco: (self-titled)
- From 1982. Not even Rinder & Lewis. Quite mediocre. One track from this album is found on the Greatest Hits CD.
One final note: I have never come across commercial copies of any of the above albums, with the exception of the final El Coco album (and even then, I'll need to double-check, but I'm pretty sure my copy had an old price sticker on the shrink wrap for 25¢ or something). It seems that every copy out there is a promo. That speaks volumes about how poorly these records sold... if they sold any at all!
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Oops, I lied. Turns out that all my R&L albums are commercial copies; it's the later Le Pamplemousse ones and Cheetah that I've only seen as promos.
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Being a completist, this is the 1 LP I'm still searching for! I have the FULL CIRCLE LP and have to agree it's dreadful, saving grace for me, is not the music but the high school photos of Rinder and Lewis.
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I know I shouldn't want that FULL CIRCLE LP, but I DO!
I never really thought about the Butterfly connection, but you're right the production value was incredible compared to the AVI output, and "Volga Boatman", what a fantastic piece of music.
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