Let's Vote-Pt.1

[Videoskooter]

The bets are on. You know what bothers me? I knew who McCain's running mate was going to be already yesterday...but I couldn't publish it :icon_sad:

But hey, we know the teams and now we get to business!

Who is your favourite for the White House 2009-2012?

OBAMA-BIDEN



McCAIN-PALIN

[remicks]

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To be fair, I can't vote yet VS until I find out about this Sarah Palin that McCain's taken such a sudden liking to. .

Gotta make sure she's not just another sexy pair of much younger panties McCain's out to get into ... again ....:icon_razz: :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_redface:

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[discokicks]

IMO, McCain choosing this woman to be his running mate shows incredibly poor judgement on his part. Throw aside all arguments about her inexperience and little time spent in national affairs...the woman just had a child in April but not only that, the child has Down's Syndrome.

I'm no expert in childhood and mothering however it's clear to me that her focus has to be with this child. She and her husband are facing incredibly emotional as well as physical challenges unknown to them. For the next two and half months, she will be on a gruelling schedule of cross-country touring, speaking, appearances and heavy promotion. It's simply shocking that Palin has accepted this VP nomination....whether it's being starry-eyed or just not being able to clearly see what lies ahead for her. McCain has shown an incredibly irresponsible decision by placing this opportunity in her lap at this time. This will backfire on him once the women of America truly realize how wrong this situation is.

[Bernie]

That's a very interesting point you raise discokicks and a very valid one as well. It seems as if McCain was trying to kill two birds with one stone as he figures he can appeal more to women and neo-cons all at the same time by choosing Palin.

IMO, McCain choosing this woman to be his running mate shows incredibly poor judgement on his part. Throw aside all arguments about her inexperience and little time spent in national affairs...the woman just had a child in April but not only that, the child has Down's Syndrome.

I'm no expert in childhood and mothering however it's clear to me that her focus has to be with this child. She and her husband are facing incredibly emotional as well as physical challenges unknown to them. For the next two and half months, she will be on a gruelling schedule of cross-country touring, speaking, appearances and heavy promotion. It's simply shocking that Palin has accepted this VP nomination....whether it's being starry-eyed or just not being able to clearly see what lies ahead for her. McCain has shown an incredibly irresponsible decision by placing this opportunity in her lap at this time. This will backfire on him once the women of America truly realize how wrong this situation is.

[remicks]

IMO, McCain choosing this woman to be his running mate shows incredibly poor judgement on his part. Throw aside all arguments about her inexperience and little time spent in national affairs...the woman just had a child in April but not only that, the child has Down's Syndrome.

I'm no expert in childhood and mothering however it's clear to me that her focus has to be with this child. She and her husband are facing incredibly emotional as well as physical challenges unknown to them. For the next two and half months, she will be on a gruelling schedule of cross-country touring, speaking, appearances and heavy promotion. It's simply shocking that Palin has accepted this VP nomination....whether it's being starry-eyed or just not being able to clearly see what lies ahead for her. McCain has shown an incredibly irresponsible decision by placing this opportunity in her lap at this time. This will backfire on him once the women of America truly realize how wrong this situation is.

There's something really fishy about this fifth kid ....Seems nobody remembers her even being pregnant ...and when her "water broke " she was able to get back home before delivery . Is this kid really a grandchild???

Anchorage Daily News By KYLE HOPKINS
khopkins@adn.com
Published: April 18th, 2008 02:52 PM


The boy's name is Trig Paxson Van Palin. He's 6 pounds, 2 ounces.
"The governor's labor began while she was in Texas, and I do know that she got on a plane and landed in Anchorage late last night," said Palin spokeswoman Sharon Leighow.

Odd behavior??

I emphasize this is only internet banter ... currently a wild rumor .....but something that needs to be further looked into ...


These are the kinds of possible issues to be expected though when a presidential candidate grabs an unknown out of the blue to be his running mate ....

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[needlefingers]

Isn't she the best friend on Will & Grace?

[discokicks]

Isn't she the best friend on Will & Grace?

:icon_lol:....I thought she was one of the ones on that 3-hour tour that went tragically wrong.

[markydefad]

Sarah Palin is Anita Bryant for the New Millennium. [actually looks like a fundy mix of Anita B, Tina Fey & Mariska Hargitay on a bad day. My apologies to Tina & Mariska.]

Former beauty queen runner-up, Christian fundamentalist, doesn't believe in evolution, anti-choice, anti-gay, pro-gun hunter, self-described "hockey mom" with 5 kids, governor of Alaska for less than two years, who is cynically being pawned upon the American public as the best choice for a running mate for a 72 year old man who's had several bouts with skin cancer and severe anger management issues. Oh, but he was a POW. :icon_rolleyes::icon_eek: And the Christian wingnuts love her. :icon_twisted:

Everything's ok now. :icon_rolleyes::icon_redface:

[Videoskooter]

She is against gay marriage but she has also spoken out against discrimination of gay people. When you raise issues about a candidate, you must give the complete picture.

Later on I will post some hard facts on the board's idol, Barack "Je Suis Un Rockstar, Si Si" Obama :icon_smile:

That reminds me, it was such a great track

You guys are against biased media, so somebody has to play the counterpart here :icon_eek: Guess I'll have to do that job here. Not paid by any candidate, you know, just doing my task.

I'm Videoskooter and I approve this massage!

[markydefad]

She is against gay marriage but she has also spoken out against discrimination of gay people. When you raise issues about a candidate, you must give the complete picture.

You guys are against biased media, so somebody has to play the counterpart here :icon_eek: Guess I'll have to do that job here. Not paid by any candidate, you know, just doing my task.

I'm Videoskooter and I approve this massage!

And what Christian fundy Kool Aid are you drinking??? :icon_rolleyes::icon_twisted:
If--she ever said ANYTHING PRO-GAY...she never will again...she is a pawn to the Christian Right to rouse them from their McSame apathy. :icon_twisted:

The rumor that she's pulling a Brie from "Desperate Housewives" and pretending that her oldest daughter's illegitimate child is actually her own is cruel but not that far-fetched.

[Videoskooter]

No, I drink Red Bull! I like that name :icon_twisted: RED Bull :icon_twisted:

She looks presidential and that's the most important :icon_twisted:

Marky,...I'm gonna Rock with you...all night...dance you into sunlight.

(Celebrating Michael Jackson's 50th birthday with a special remix by Freemasons, now on the DBS-MySpace!)

[needlefingers]

You guys are against biased media, so somebody has to play the counterpart here :icon_eek: Guess I'll have to do that job here. Not paid by any candidate, you know, just doing my task.

Thank you Quinny!!!

I have no problem against biased media. I support opposition voices, and just spent the last half hour listening to Fox. But you didn't even know who Sean Hannity was the other day.

I never speak out on this board because I come here for disco discussions. But who the heck are you to tell Americans you are the counterpoint? Especially since you A) cannot vote in the American election and B) you don't pay American taxes. Not to mention the problems going on with the Belgium government. Or should I say non-government.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But your condescending tone can take a hike.

It is apparent to me that you support a right-wing, religious ideaology. And if that is not true, then you don't really know what is going on in this election. Because where has John McCain brought this election to?...aborton and gay rights. Again! Just like the Republicans always do.

[Videoskooter]

But who the heck are you to tell Americans you are the counterpoint? Especially since you A) cannot vote in the American election and B) you don't pay American taxes.

Thank YOU! Finally, someone's biting!

That is exactly the point. American politics are everywhere, sticking their nose in European affairs (Poland), Asian affairs (Georgia-declaring Kossovo independant but getting furious when the Russians do it with other countries), causing a worldwide recession on the financial and economical markets...but, no, a non-American can not discuss American presidential elections. An election that will decide what direction the WHOLE world will take, depending on who'll be in charge of the White House.

If I was an American right now, frankly, I still would be undecided because none of the 4 candidates appeal to me, politically seen!

Not to mention the problems going on with the Belgium government. Or should I say non-government.

Yes, you can say non-government, coz' that's exactly how it is.

It is apparent to me that you support a right-wing, religious ideaology.

Here, you are wrong, I'm not a member of a rightwing party and I'm blatantly against religion doctrine dominating a country's political landscape. No matter which religion! But when we see, over here, that even the Democratic convention has it's daily closing prayer, we are amazed. We don't judge on that, they can perfectly do that, but that is unthinkable over here. So, both of your parties have indeed a relgious agenda. If you don't like that, than it's up to you to do something about that. Raise your voice!

That's the over-all tone of the political commentators over here. Is the European Union perfect? Hell no, we are screwing up just as much as you, squashed between America and Russia.

[needlefingers]

Thank YOU! Finally, someone's biting!

OOOOOOHHHHH! You were fishing.:icon_twisted:

Well tell us, are you the one vote above for MaCain/Palin? Be honest.

As for the prayers, I agree. Outside of the clergy, there is no other occupation in the United States that starts and ends its work day with a prayer, except the government.

And the Democrats would be vilified by the Republicans if they didn't. But it is fair to say that Democrats have religion too. And, for me, religion is a protected right. It's just that freedoms and rights have pro's and con's.

I am an agnostic myself. But support Christmas on display (or not). And other religious celebrations.

As for America poking its nose around the world.....George Bush.

Under Clinton, we were basically at peace. The first incident at the WTC in '93, was a wake up call. But we got those responsible and they are in prison. The Kosovo war, while not perfect, was reasonbly in and out, with our NATO allies. The budget was balanced and there was a surplus. Gay rights moved further by allowing gays to serve in the military. And AIDS medicines multiplied and became more readily available. And birth control moved forward with the morning after pill.

Even Jimmy Carter, who gets bashed for his term, is the only President to get a peace treaty in the Mideast(Israel and Egypt) that still holds today.

It is Republicans who keep taking us off course... and John McCain is going to take that same course.

While I am still a registered Democrat(all my life), I have been disappointed. I was hoping Al Gore would be our nominee. I did not support Hillary any step of the way, but she has become a better politician. In the end, I support Obama.

In the '90's, I voted for Giuliani in his last term, because the Democrat was too weak. I would never vote for Rudy today, and cannot see myself voting Republican ever again.

If I don't like anybody, I write in my own name. At least I know what I want, and I get to come out in the final tally.

But if, as a European, you are wondering why Americans are screwed up....George Bush. Dick Cheney. Condi Rice. Right Wingers. Religious Right.

I am all for conservative communities and representation in our government. But as our leaders, they tend to lead us to war, overspending, economic imbalance....etc. And throw up "religion and gay rights" as the smoke screen.

The government does not force anyone to have an abortion, nor does it force anyone into a gay marriage. Therefore, nobody's rights have been trampled. The choice is the individual's. Unfortunately, the right would rather feed an anger and starve a nation. They care more about us before we are born and after we are dead. In between, they could not give a rat's behind about us.

McCain and Palin have sent us back to this argument. For me, the issue is settled. Can we please move on?

[Videoskooter]

Very good reply! Indeed, I was fishing!

In fact, you are saying a lot of things that I'm thinking too, lately.

Absolutely, with all the wars going on right now, the political instability of many regions in the world (Russia and its neighbours, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc....) isn't it a shame that the political campaign is not focusing on that? The economy? Human rights?

All politician (American, Belgian,....) are just saying things they think will make 'em score. Politics are runned by pollsters, opinion makers, marketeers, spin doctors!

Obama says great things, is charming, appealing but....will Washington give him a free ride if he wins? Will he be able to change current things? Is the percentage of Hillary Clinton-voters now behind him or do they wish to see him fail, so Hillary can return with avenge in 2012? That's the opinion of some political analysts here.

McCain is a mystery to me. Is he a neo-con? Will he go against them? Will he continue the Bush/Cheney doctrine? One day, I read that he's not accepted by the Christian branch of the Republicans. Later, I read that they have faith in him?????? Is the choice for Palin a gesture to the Evangelicals? Does he want the female votes?

What's the story behind the headline that was in the European press yesterday? That the attack on Iran is imminent and will take place around the time of the American elections?

If it really happens, what will be the repercussion? Israël? How will Russia react? Will Europe be involved?

Many questions, no real answers!

[markydefad]

VS, it has been the Repug/neocons/PNAC freaks who have had their dirty hands in all these dealings overseas --recently Herr Cheney & Herr Rove were over in Eastern Europe instigating this Georgia flare-up. Somehow Georgia got the idea that we'd back them up on their invasion. Wonder where they got that idea??? Grampy McSame's foreign policy specialist is a paid lobbyist [to the sum of $800,000] for--where now?? oh, yeah, "GEORGIA"--and I ain't talkin' about the one with Atlanta.

Somehow these maniacal cretins think world conflict is a campaign strategy and good news for getting them elected again. Putin has called them on it. Everything is done for political gain--they believe in Party over Country. Whatever keeps them in power, they will do.

Do you think the vast majority of the American citizens approve of all the nasty invasions and occupations and renderings and torture and lies told about it at this point in time? :icon_eek::icon_evil:

I can't make predictions because we seem to live in "BIZARRO WORLD" where the opposite of reality seems to be REALITY--but over 38 million watched Obama [on network/cable TV] give his 42 minute acceptance speech before a crowd of 85,000 in Denver. Grampy McSame couldn't get 10,000 to fill a stadium for his VP pick. It would appear the Repugs are going down badly. But the media wants to milk it for all it's worth and call it a "horserace" and get that ad $$$$$ --so the "race to the White House" continues. :icon_twisted:

I think a change is gonna come---even more so after this ludicrous VP choice--"a MILF" ["Mom I'd Like to ****"] who was the lady mayor of a town of less than 9,000 people, then the governor of a state with around 675,000 people for 1.5 years--now, overnight, she's a heartbeat/malignant cancer lesion away from the presidency??? I don't think so. :icon_eek:

[needlefingers]

Palin is the "red meat" to throw to the Evangelicals. I'm not sure they are all on board yet. To me, this is sort of like Harriet Miers. We don't know her.

McCain met her twice. Once in 2007 and last Sunday. Not much thought.

Want to know some more about her.

Here.

Sarah Palin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A degree in Journalism? Undergraduate? Under investigation.



I've avoided furburgers all my life.

I think I can do without mooseburgers.

No one is President by themselves. But all the experience in Washington, and I include the Democrats, have sent us astray.

It is time for the pendulum to swing back the other way.


And now, back to disco....

Guilty - Lime

YouTube - Guilty - Lime

Don't you just love their voices?

[Videoskooter]

Now, we are talking!

The Georgia thing? Right on! Putin just knew what sleaze was going on and he clearly said: "No way!". South-Ossetia and Abchesia are right on the border of Russia. Do they really think that the Russian government will ever accept that they are being closed in by Nato forces? Just mentioning: the Russian army is not weak, you know. It's probably the most dangerous army in the world right now! Let's face it, Napoleon couldn't take Russia, Hitler has failed over there too, so.....!

And yes, Marky, the rumour that the Georgia-war is started to please a "current presidential candidate" is in our press too!

Now, you know, I do not trust the Iranian government for one penny! But if they are really planning to launch an attack, right now, without the Russian support for such an attack, well, I can't remember the saying right now: "You better hold on to your (whatever)"!

Will Obama change that course? Yes/No? If he wants too, will they let him do it? Yes/No? The powers that be, that is....

Great discussion guys, thx!

But now I'm off and I'm gonna play some great Disco....with great voices....I feel like listening to...Denis and Denise, better known to some of you as.....OMG ...LIME!

JOE LA GRECA FOR PRESIDENT!

[Videoskooter]

If I don't like anybody, I write in my own name. At least I know what I want, and I get to come out in the final tally.

This was a sentence that I don't get. Are you talking about the election procedure here?

In Belgium we HAVE to vote. If you don't vote you are indicted and convicted. In the past, when we still voted with paper and crayon, you could easily draw a cartoon on your voting ballot and then that ballot would not be counted.

Nowadays, we vote on a computer screen. You can vote for your candidate or you can choose "Blanco". In that case your vote goes to the elected majority :icon_eek: The winner gets all the "blanks" and that's important coz' over here the "seats" in the parliament, city hall, etc.... are based on the amount of votes. Example: the x-party wins the elections with 2 million votes, then they calculate: 2 million votes = so many seats. But counting in the "blanks" can have a big influence on those "seats".

Elections 2007 - Chamber - Seat Distribution

http://polling2007.belgium.be/en/sen...4111_p672.html

So, no calling up people to go out and vote here. If it's election time, you simply HAVE to go out and vote!

[markydefad]

Fascinating story here on the rumors that VP nominee Sarah Palin is not the mother of her 5th child--but actually the grandmother. This was a plotline used this season on "Desperate Housewives" wherein Bree [Marcia Cross] pretended to be pregnant--so that when her teenage daughter's child was born, Bree could say it was hers. Bree sent her teen daughter to a convent during the pregnancy--It appears Sarah took her daughter out of school for mono reasons for a period of 5-8 months!!!! One day, the governor announced she was 6 months pregnant--although, unlike Bree, who used a series of pregnant baby bump pillows-- she didn't appear to be at all.

Here's a realife version...maybe.... from the Daily Kos website:

Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

by ArcXIX

Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:12:31 PM PDT


Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

[Videoskooter]

The closer the election comes, the nastier things get!

Marky, I've noticed those Kool Aid remarks on the board a lot. But I never understood them. What's the story?

[markydefad]

"drinking the Kool Aid" I believe, stems from the cult leader Jim Jones who made all his followers drink Kool Aid and commit mass suicide in the late Seventies in Guyana.

Since then it has been used to refer to folks who blindly follow one political party or another and never question the talking points--but just drink the Kool Aid and spout the party line.

Kool Aid is a cheap kid's drink made by dissolving a packet of sugary flavored powder into water and gettin' the kids a cheap sugar-high!

Does that explain it?

[remicks]

Fascinating story here on the rumors that VP nominee Sarah Palin is not the mother of her 5th child--but actually the grandmother. This was a plotline used this season on "Desperate Housewives" wherein Bree [Marcia Cross] pretended to be pregnant--so that when her teenage daughter's child was born, Bree could say it was hers. Bree sent her teen daughter to a convent during the pregnancy--It appears Sarah took her daughter out of school for mono reasons for a period of 5-8 months!!!! One day, the governor announced she was 6 months pregnant--although, unlike Bree, who used a series of pregnant baby bump pillows-- she didn't appear to be at all.

Here's a realife version...maybe.... from the Daily Kos website:

Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

by ArcXIX

Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:12:31 PM PDT


Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

Well that story in that link lays it out pretty well.

I smelled something foul in this one right off .

I mean I've never been in this situation myself :icon_rolleyes: ....but it seems pretty obvious to me that no mother , who is in the midst of unexpected premature birthing, is going to choose to go to an airport (and go thru all that it entails these days ) to catch an EIGHT HOUR minimum flight in hopes of finishing off the birth already in progress elsewhere .
(Anyone want to try to explain a reason to do this ???)

No , any sane, responsible, motherly person goes directly to the nearest hospital.

Conclusion: She's either a total nut job or (and?) ...she faked the whole thing.


Don't wait for FOX news or Sean Hannity to give us their "fair and balanced" report on this story ...... in this case, thank gawd for The National Enquirer . :icon_cool:

They are going to sell A TON of copies of this upcoming week's issue .


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[Videoskooter]

Just sticking my Belgian nose in your domestic affairs

Who's in trouble?

SIN SPOTTING: Sarah Palin’s Latest Child is NOT Hers Republican Faith Chat

[remicks]

Just sticking my Belgian nose in your domestic affairs

Who's in trouble?

SIN SPOTTING: Sarah Palin’s Latest Child is NOT Hers Republican Faith Chat

OH WOW !!!!!!!

from the link above :

NOTE FROM PROPHETESS DEBBIE:

“It was just moments ago revealed to me from our Savior the reason the Palin family had to resort to such a complicated and implausible lie. According to our Lord, there is no boyfriend to marry. The father is Bristol’s older brother Track, which is why the young man was shipped off to Iraq. Shocking yes, but you can’t question my source!”

who needs Desperate Housewives !!!



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