Thank You Berliners!!!!

[markydefad]

Watching the breathtaking footage of Barack Obama's speech before 200,000 Berliners on Thursday, I can only attempt to put into words how hopeful seeing all those people cheering for the future of America made me feel. Europeans waving American flags, not burning them, was an amazing sight!

A large number of us have felt like we've been held hostage for seven & a half years by a corrupt group of criminals who hijacked two elections and then proceeded to shred the Constitution, spy on us and raid the treasury for their corporate cronies, all the while ramping up FEAR to keep us afraid of "terrorists"--the new boogey men in the U.S. be-afraid-be-very-afraid-closet, now that fear of "communists" no longer works. The damage they have done to this country is so great it will take years to repair. :icon_evil::icon_evil::icon_evil:

Seeing that the rest of the world shares my hope for a rational, sane vision of world diplomacy, not the corrupt cowboys on crack type we've had shoved down our throats, gives me hope that we can put a halt to the creeping fascism that has overtaken the government. :icon_confused:

The American media is owned by corportions who profit from war so we are lied to on a daily basis...thank god for the internet. Lord knows the corporate greed masters want to get control of that too. :icon_mad:

Fox news is like Soviet Pravda--a total propaganda machine for the White House. That they still have ratings, chills me to the bone. .

Anyway, whatever Obama will be able to actually change I don't know. But it would appear to be a change of dramatic proportions in having a leader who is respected by the rest of the world, not reviled and jeered. Can you imagine Bush givng a speech in Berlin?? For that matter, can you imagine Bush givng a speech in the U.S. without a preselected group of Republican cronies propping him up? [On the downlow, truth be told, the Republicans don't even want his taintass coming to the Republican convention in St. Paul. Minnesota!!!] :icon_evil:

The right wing spinmeisters are going apopleptic over the Berlin speech, comparing Obama to ...you guessed it... that old standby of evil----Hitler!!!! and really have their panties in a bunch over Obama's audacity to act "presidential" when he is not yet elected. Oh, gawd.

But the scary thing is the election, according to the polls--can we believe them?--show the candidates very close...Obama is ahead--but not by the 15 or 20 points he should be....given that 80% of this country feel America is on the "wrong track." :icon_mad:

OKay I've gotten off track from my original thought.

Bottom line, the Berlin footage gave my cynical heart a glimmer of hope. My heartfelt thanks to those folks who showed up and cheered for Obama. Fingers crossed, if we persevere--- "a change is gonna come, oh yeah." Amen.

[Videoskooter]

Too bad you don't know what the European press is saying about Obama: "He's not a presidential candidate, he's a rockstar". "Show is 1 thing, results are another"!

Let's see if and when he gets elected what his politics will be. Everybody can cheer about change but that change will have to be realised, not?

BTW, Germany's chancellor Angela Merkel wasn't too happy about his visit and refused to give him permission to hold his speech before the Brandenburger gate where Kennedy held his landmark "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech.

Pulling the troops back from Iraq? Cool but everybody can say that. I'm curious how he's going to do it without causing a civil war there.

I, for sure, am not impressed by Obama and I'm not impressed by McCain so far. Maybe, it's time for a third candidate :icon_eek:

Why does a European like me interferes in an American presidential topic? Hey we are buying you. We already have Budweiser and we still have money! Soon we are going to buy one of your big banks (not joking) and get rid of those lousy garbage mortgage loans that are causing a wordwide stock crisis at the moment. Yes, we want change too! In "CASH", thank you!

[markydefad]

Thanks for raining on my pitiful parade of hope, videoskooter. OK, back to "we are all doomed." :icon_eek::icon_eek::icon_eek:

[Videoskooter]

Just being realistic Marky. Over here, we also have many, many politicians that have great chants and mantras but...once elected they sure don't deliver the goods!

Today, Belgium is in big trouble because of the past 2 governments. Filled with people like Obama, good looking, appearing in entertainment shows on TV. One of the female secretaries of State, a beautiful woman even did a "Monroe" (she did an "accidental" upskirt during an interview on the streets).

Great guys and girls, always chanting that they were changing Belgium (no kidding, they were). The great thing: Belgium has changed, the federal reserves are as empty as hell, the country is on the verge of splitting up.

Yessirreebob, "changed" it has!

The big corporations are florishing but the People aren't.

Sorry to be that hard, but I'm sick of these political performers. And why do Americans always say: "He looks presidential"? So, a very intelligent but ugly man or woman can't be elected? We had one like that in the 90's! Simply the best Prime Minister we ever had! He governed, he took decisions, he filled the people's wallets and the federal reserve.

God bless him, too bad he is not considering a come-back.

(BTW, he's on the board of Inbev now and has just bought your Bud)

And justice for all....

[markydefad]

VS,

You have to understand our desperation. The leaders of our country are bonafide CRIMINALS and they keep getting away with it. We, who care, are shellshocked by the mainstream media's complicity and the Democrat's lack of spine to stand up to the most unpopular President in recent history. He has an approval rating in the low 20s yet all he has to say is 'terrorists" ...and they all fold like a house of cards. :icon_evil::icon_evil::icon_evil:

Because of TV, presidents are now picked by their "looking presidential"--we cast them like we were casting a movie....somehow a semi-attractive moron like Bush got picked for his affable, common guy shuck & jive act that a sizable number of the gullible bought into--so we got saddled with Mr. elitist millionaire, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, yet acts like he's the assistant manager of the Crawford, Texas KFC franchise. People wanted to have a beer with the yokel--as if he'd have a beer with anyone who didn't contribute several hundred thousand to his campaign. Duh. :icon_mad:

Politics in the US is all an act--stagecraft- fool the people into thinking you're a "compassionate conservative" ... get elected, then laugh at them and give tax breaks to your base--the Haves & the Have-mores and no-bid contracts to you buddies at Halliburton and invade countries to secure oil for you oil buddies--all in the name of "promoting democracy." And then act all self-righteous about it. Gag me. :icon_evil:

I am so sick of it. If Obama does anything to change the course of unabashed corruption these lying thieves have achieved, then he gets my support. We will see how it all plays out. I'm preparing for the worst--but I have to keep a tiny shred of hope that during my lifetime, I could actually see the U.S. mature into a county I could be proud of. :icon_confused:

[Videoskooter]

Politics in the US is all an act--stagecraft-

Marky, I'm very glad that you realise that, but a lot of your countrymen don't.

As you can notice, my replies are not really pro or anti some candidate. We see both candidates on TV here as well and all I'm thinking is: the GAME has begun. I don't dislike Obama but IMO he's too young and somewhat naïve. Maybe he's honest about that change but didn't we all hear that over and over again? Only said by other candidates and with other words.

And reading about the riot between him and Jesse Jackson who's stating that Obama is patronising towards the African Americans, the efforts that a lot of spinners do to make people believe that Obama is a Muslem (recent cover on the New Yorker), well, it's all a show ain't it.

I like to hear and read about facts, what are the candidates really thinking, what are their "business plans". If I go to the bank to get a deal, my bankers ask me for a "business plan", written, calculated and conceived by my lawyers and accountants! If I would just tell 'em: Oh, I want change on the funfair, I don't think that I will get their support.

People are just fed up nowadays. Too many lies. The oil prices? Not president Bush's fault, not the fault of the Arabian providers.

The jerks on Wall Street, those are the criminals! They speculate on the stock markets, they are emptying your and my pockets.

You want change? Let Obama or McCain hit these guys hard, very HARD. Nuke 'em with tax bills.

I know he's not your buddy, but listen to what the Prez is saying off camera here!

As for McCain, I don't dislike him either but he's not impressing me at the moment.

[markydefad]

Yes, but since Reagan came into office they started deregulating and privatizing everything so the crooks in business--Wall Street-- and elsewhere can get away with murder. There are no restrictions on what they can do. Those regulations need to be put back in place so that hedge fund traders and oil speculators cannot get fabulously rich by wreaking havoc with our economy.

They privatize the PROFITS and when things go wrong for big business the taxpayers bail them out, thereby socializing their LOSSES. But the billionaires don't give back their billions--they keep it and start off fresh. What a great business model we have created. But the coffers are emptied out--where do we go from here?--oh I know tax breaks for billionaires. Can we eat the rich?

[markydefad]

We have no choice--Grampy McSame is the third Bush term--rich old white men for rich old white men. Whatever principles he may have had at one time, he has sold out to the fatcat Repug powerbrokers, religious extremists and the military industrial complex. The Republican brand is a stinking turd flushed and circling the toilet bowl. Will this "floater" escape the flush? Not if I can help it. Obama may seem all Bambi-esque in his noble quest for change--I know he's a politician--BUT we gotta throw the bums out of the corrupt justice department and attempt to keep more rightwingnuts off the Supreme Court...so he's our only shot at this point in time.

I saw Clinton not fulfill his promise to get us healthcare and cave on the gays in the military--but the country prospered under his presidency--although the "powers" that be" told him how he was gonna do things. But the "powers that were" Alan Greenspan, etc. have been proved wrong...their economic plan is spiralling out of control. Someone has to reign in all this war spending and try a little dipolomacy. The chimp wasn't capable and the evil Cheney had his noecon Project For The New American Century gameplan to implement. Well we see how well that worked in Iraq. Oh mother, make it end.

[Bernie]

Marky,

Although I heard quite a bit about Obama's trip to the Middle East and Europe, I never had the chance to see or hear any of his Berlin speech. Your remarks prompted me to watch the entire video and I must say I was impressed with what he had to say. Seems extremely presidential to me and respectful of others while projecting a strong image.

Here's the link to the entire speech along with a transcript...
Obama Berlin Speech: See Video, Photos, Full Speech Transcript

[markydefad]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and post the link, Bernie.

[Videoskooter]

Off-topic and I'm not joking. You know who I think will be your president in a few years?

George...Clooney! Yep, that's what I think. But...you gonna have a lot of first ladies with that guy.

[Bernie]

Off-topic and I'm not joking. You know who I think will be your president in a few years?

George...Clooney! Yep, that's what I think. But...you gonna have a lot of first ladies with that guy.

Somehow that wouldn't surprise me. Reagan, Schwartze-whatever, that wrestler guy in MN...

[Boodikka]

"George...Clooney! Yep, that's what I think. But...you gonna have a lot of first ladies with that guy"

First ladies or first beards?

[SandraDee]

Fox news is like Soviet Pravda--a total propaganda machine for the White House. That they still have ratings, chills me to the bone. .

The media here is so biased too with most of the newspapers & ITN being so pro-Tory it's untrue.

[remicks]

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The disgusting conservative media machine is trying to demon-ize Barack for his trip abroad . They are trying to make his world wide popularity out to be a bad thing. They want the hillbilly right to think of Obama as a traitor for daring to think beyond our borders ...to dare to suggest that we care about anybody else in the world beyond ourselves . That anything we do that effects the world beyond the USofA matters

I kid you not ...this is the attitude of the Bush/McCAin huggers ...."screw the rest of the world..we're AMERICA . And as AMERICANS ....WE'RE the best" ... (The word "supremacy" gets used a lot ....remember that popular word from the deep south of the sixties)
Therefore ...We deserve the world's oil ..the world's resources .We don't need to care what anyone else thinks ...or how our actions effect the rest of the planet , the environment ...

Think I'm kidding ....just follow the message being delivered here:



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markydefad :
I am so sick of it. If Obama does anything to change the course of unabashed corruption these lying thieves have achieved, then he gets my support. We will see how it all plays out. I'm preparing for the worst--but I have to keep a tiny shred of hope that during my lifetime, I could actually see the U.S. mature into a county I could be proud of. :icon_confused:

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Why Marky you sound just like that ungrateful self-made unappreciative wife of Obama, Michele .:icon_evil::icon_evil: . Don't you know that the ultra filthy rich since day one of birth trophy wife of McCain has always been proud of her country ....

[Videoskooter]

Ooops

[Videoskooter]

Obama is in a little kinda trouble!

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