Should Hillary Be His Running Mate ??

[remicks]

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Are they the dream team ?? :icon_exclaim::icon_idea:


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[Pete Denis]

I certainly hope that the crazy radicals that are all over the United States don't do what I expect. To pull a Lee Harvey Oswald on Barack Obama. I seriously fear for his life. The **** would certainly hit the fan then?:icon_mad: If this is the ticket, they will easily win! But that could be the beginning of a lot of trouble.I hope not.

[Videoskooter]

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Are they the dream team ?? :icon_exclaim::icon_idea:


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For me personally NO, but that's no secret. I fear that Barack is too young and unexperienced for the job. He's talking a lot about change but, first, he will have a lot of trouble fighting the powers that be when he wants to achieve that change and second, I don't trust Hilary Clinton but that's just my 2 cents and you don't have to worry because I can't vote

Then, I second Pete, Barack's wife and a lot of people who fear that Obama is in danger. He knows it and we all know it.

Then2, don't forget that when election time is there, you gonna have a second battlefield, a very dangerous and unpredictable one and that could change a lot of things and opinions.

[remicks]

For me personally NO, but that's no secret. I fear that Barack is too young and unexperienced for the job. He's talking a lot about change but, first, he will have a lot of trouble fighting the powers that be when he wants to achieve that change and second, I don't trust Hilary Clinton but that's just my 2 cents and you don't have to worry because I can't vote

Barrack is 46 and the framers of the constitution felt that 35 was a qualified age. I guess they figured by that age in a person's life , people pretty much have their heads glued on right ... or not.

The inexperience ....I feel is a good thing. Maybe the guy hasn't been around long enough to be totally tarnished . I hope.


But I'm not sure that certain people that voted for Hillary in these primaries ....you know Milburn, those dreadful hillbillies .... weren't so much voting for either as much as they were voting against the other. I'm not convinced Hilary's good showing toward the end had much to do with a new found love for her.
A combination of the two might be a total disaster . Now the crowd that could never vote for a woman/a Clinton is coupled with the crowd that could never vote for a black ... much less a new subgroup that could never vote for them in unison.

Still on the other hand, this is a crazy year .....we actually did it ...took a black candidate to the top. So what the heck, why not make this the year where all things are possible and put Obama and Clinton on the same ticket.

Wow.

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for the Republicans to catch up with the times and seem relevant ....maybe McCain could find a young , black , lesbian, Clinton relative to be his running mate .......

[Videoskooter]

Yep, an African-American and a woman: that's already a big change and it's a good thing, don't get me wrong.

And about the inexperience: don't get me wrong either. I'm not saying that Barack is not capable or mature enough, I'm more thinking about his networking, his connections. Big corporations, captains of industry: can he change their way of viewing things?????

Barack/Clinton can be a dream ticket but, like you say, it can also become a big failure when the votes come in.

[paul]

Well, I'm half way to be proven wrong. I'm about to eat crow. Guess what, I'm dying to eat it
By the way, I'm talking about a Black or mixed race person elected for President.
To your question remicks, HELL NO! Hillary is a pure bitch! I would never trust that "assassinating" talk bitch!
If he takes her my respect for him will goes WAY down!

[remicks]

screwed up double post sorry

[remicks]

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Well, I'm half way to be proven wrong. I'm about to eat crow. Guess what, I'm dying to eat it

It's a great day isn't it !

To your question remicks, HELL NO! Hillary is a pure bitch! I would never trust that "assassinating" talk bitch!
If he takes her my respect for him will goes WAY down!

or maybe Paul ,
we admire him for swallowing hard , extending a hand to get her on board and doing what seems best as a strategy to make sure John McCain doesn't wind up our next President . A lot of women thought this was going to be their turn to rise and shine and since women make up the majority of voters... ,,,,

TheVotemaster has a great read today . Here is much of it. I highlighted the part that pertains to this topic. he doesn't even mention the VP position as one of her options !! (??)

News from the Votemaster



The Washington Post says Hillary Clinton will concede to Barack Obama Saturday. Yesterday, the Clinton camp announced that the statement would come Friday, but they changed their mind. It must be very hard for her. She has wanted to be President for her entire adult life and came within a hair of at least getting the nomination. Last year, Obama was hesitant to run since he knew he would face heavyweights like Clinton, Sen. Joe Biden, Sen. Chris Dodd, and Gov. Bill Richardson. If he had listened to wiser heads and waited until 2012, Clinton would have been the nominee and probably the next President. One can imagine how she feels having this prize snatched from under her nose by a guy only three years removed from the Illinois state senate. If she had lost to Richardson, who has held practically every job in government and can make the case that he is far more experienced than she, it might have been easier for her.
While she is ambitious (a characteristic considered desirable in male politicians), it is not just about her. She has a core of extremely strong supporters, largely women, but also men, who really feel that it is time for a woman President and Clinton is certainly qualified for the job. They are very disappointed, but she has blazed a trail that other women will follow later.
We'll have a post mortem on the campaign in a couple of days, but one thing stands out now: the ending. Tuesday evening, when the supers began flooding into the Obama camp, it was obvious that it was over. Clinton could have gotten a huge amount of good will by basically saying something like this:
"To all my supporters, I say, you have been wonderful. Without your help I would have been nothing. I thank you deeply. To Barack Obama, I can only say I underestimated you. That was a big mistake. You are one heck of a politician and leader. When you spoke in Oregon, 75,000 people showed up. I don't draw that kind of crowd. Even my husband doesn't draw that kind of crowd. You represent the future of America. I'm proud to endorse you and will work my heart out for the next 5 months to help you become the next President of the United States."
Instead she said: "I'm not sure. We'll see. I'll make a statement eventually." It makes her look like a sore loser. A year from now people are more likely to remember her ending than her beginning, which is too bad. Andrew Malcolm wrote a column comparing Clinton's grieving process to Elizabeth Kubler-Ross' five stages of grief as described in "On Death and Dying:" denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Tuesday we had denial. Wednesday we had anger. By Friday or Saturday we may have acceptance.
Clinton's future may depend a lot on what she does in the next five months. If she endorses Obama and then goes back to her Senate work, hoping he loses so she can run in 2012, she won't look good and Democrats will never forgive her. If she really tries hard to get him elected, win or lose she will get a lot of credit with party members. If she really makes it to stage five, acceptance, and sees that she is not going to be President, she could start thinking about where her future lies. There are a number of options. She could go the Ted Kennedy route and try to become one of the greatest and most influential senators ever. She could ask Obama for the job of Secretary of Health and Human Services and finally achieve the universal health care she failed to achieve as first lady. He'd agree in a flash to get her supporters on board. Likewise, she could ask to be appointed to the first vacancy on the Supreme Court and he'd probably grant that, too. She could ask for his support for a run for governor of New York in 2010. There is one obstacle there: Gov. David Paterson might decide to run for election, but Obama could help out by offering Paterson a job in his administration (and the threat that he would openly support Clinton in a primary). She has lots of options. It will be interesting to see what she does. Her gut instinct is not as good as Bill's, but she is a talented person and if she plays her cards right, still has quite a future.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/index.html


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[Videoskooter]

Today in our press: Jimmy Carter calls the tandem Obama/Clinton the worst possible ticket. He fears that too much people don't like Clinton and fear that the over-all negative campaign support of Bill Clinton will do further harm.

Names now circulating for the ticket are Obama/governor Bill Richardson, John Edwards, senator Claire McCaskill or governor Kathleen Sebelius.

So far the news update from Euro-press.

[remicks]

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I've been giving this Hillary as VEEP idea a little more thought .

Hillary on the ticket might be a good thing for Obama, but is it a good thing for her??

Sure the excitement of the campaign itself is there , the sense of accomplishment if successful . The victory . But then what? Stand around and be the Vice President for four ... maybe eight years?

We all know that the VP job doesn't offer much except in the rare situation where the president is a complete idiot and depends on the vice president as with Bush/Cheney.... but that won't be the case with Obama . He'll want her to respectfully back off... this will then be his show to run alone.

She could be much more productive in several other roles as the Votemaster outlined above.

Maybe this will sort of be like getting a monkey off her back and she can return to Congress and become a much more stellar , a more accomplished senator as happened with Ted Kennedy.... especially with Barack as president to support her and the Dems owning control of both houses....and there being a Ted Kennedy void to fill.



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[dfc99bb]

He'll never pick here after her awful RFK statement, and other things. But I still think they make a lovely couple. See attached image!

[remicks]

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The Votemaster:


What about Clinton as Veep? Does it make sense? She has powerful strengths and powerful weaknesses. Here is an attempt to make a little list of them.


Hillary Clinton's Strengths as Veep Candidate

• She got 18 million votes in the primaries. That ain't chicken feed
• Her presence on the ticket will instantly unify the Democratic party
• She will attract millions of women voters who might not otherwise vote
• She will help enormously with Joe Lunchbucket and his blue collar friends
• She is a plausible commander in chief; more so than the candidate, actually
• She's a great attack dog; she'll bite McCain on the ankle and hang on tight for 5 months
• She knows more about policy and governing than practically everyone in Washington

Hillary Clinton's Weaknesses as Veep Candidate

• She will insist on being co-President (like Dick Cheney)
• Bill will also insist on being co-President
• She doesn't bring in any new state
• She will cause every last Clinton hater to come out and vote, even those who are neutral on Obama
• She represents the "old Washington" Obama has campaigned against so well
• Many Obama supporters now hate her due to the way she campaigned
• She may unify the Democrats but she won't bring in any Republican voters

Election 2008: Presidential, Senate and House Races Updated Daily




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[dfc99bb]

I found the perfect running mate for Barack HUSSEIN Obama, image attached:

[remicks]

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here's one for McCain :

keep the Bush/Oil thing going



..... same age and everything .....


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[Videoskooter]

This is how President McCain looked like in 1974!

[KoolChris]

Barrack is 46 and the framers of the constitution felt that 35 was a qualified age. I guess they figured by that age in a person's life , people pretty much have their heads glued on right ... or not.

One thing about the perception of maturity according to age: remember that life expectancy in the XVIIIth century was much shorter (approx. 51 for men), so age 35 was much more advanced in one's life at the time (over 68% of one's lifespan), and definitely more than age 45 today.

35 was actually old, as compared to the perception of that age today, and the supposed maturity associated was in unison.

The possible (probable?) reversal of the trend in the evolution of life expectancy in the US (due to obesity) excepted, those having lived up to age 45 today, actually face a higher life expectancy than the current figures suggest, as each generation sets a new record, and the figures known today are based on the average lifespan of people born in the first half of the XXth century, not that of those born after the major advances in medicine and vaccines took place in the XXth century. Age 80 or more is considered to be a quite safe life expectancy for someone born in 1961.

Obama can be assumed to be at the middle of his life (or perhaps less), when the Framers of the Constitution deemed necessary to have at least reached 2/3 of one's life to be maturely fit to assume presidency to the nation.

This is just to put things into perspective; it is not an indication of my own feelings towards Obama's ability to govern the country, or the relevancy of age with regards to such ability..

My feeling is that, like in most elections, this will be another case of choice between the least of two evils.

[remicks]

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His choice will come at any time ...and in some ways choosing Hillary may be just the thing to add a boost to his floundering campaign . Barack should be doing better now than he is. This is worrisome . Hillary could add a level of energy and yes even a dose of "experience" to the ticket.

The Hillbilly crowd that flat out won't vote for a black won't change their mind no matter what he does. So adding yet a woman isn't going to matter to those folks anyway .... they're already beyond reach.

What Hillary does attract is the white women vote and there's a whole heck of a lot of those ....

There's no other choice that immediately brings so much to the ticket and Obama needs that additional vibrancy Hillary has. I think at this point , he needs her.



Otherwise ....who else ??

UPDATE: It appears it'll be one of these three :

The Votemaster:

A story in the NY Times says Obama will announce this week and it is either

Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN),
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), or
Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA).

But they don't know. When Obama has reached a decision, he is not going to send an e-mail to the NY Times to tip it off. Supporters will get e-mails early in the morning as a reward for contributing, then a formal joint appearance will take place for the media. The two candidates will probably spend the day campaigning in several states.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp200...aps/Aug19.html


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[markydefad]

The buzz is that it's Senator Joe Biden--who's the best choice of those 3 contenders--we shall see.

[remicks]

The buzz is that it's Senator Joe Biden--who's the best choice of those 3 contenders--we shall see.

I'd be OK with that. He's got spunk ..... and that's what the democrats need a little more of right now .... a good aggressive attack (back) dog.

I've got a feeling that if Sean Hannity's endless crap pissed him off enough Joe'd go right over to his studio and punch ol' Sean right in the nose !!!! :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

The thought of that makes him my choice right there !!

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[markydefad]

Biden can be a bit of a windbag and blowhard--but can also slice and dice verbally as he did to Rudy Giuliani when he labeled all his sentences as consisting of "a noun, a verb & 9/11" NAILED IT!!! That comment put the final nail in Rudy's presidential coffin.

But Biden also knows his foreign policy--major advantage....

[paul]

Well, I'm not impressed by the 3 listed. Hillary is a snake and I would never trust her.
Biden has good sound bites but I don't trust him to walk the walk on the issues.
Evan Bayh...jesus, can you say joe lieberman
Tim Kaine...who?

Since a real liberal seems to be out the question, I'll take "kick ass" Wesley Clark.

[markydefad]

Wesley Clark was one of my choices also--since he's got the military bona fides to deflect the right wing attack machine and is articulate and a good debater and had the balls to say that just because McSame was a war prisoner doesn't automatically qualify him for the presidency ---took major heat for that one --BUT--he's been told he won't be needed at the Dems convention---and I heard him say on a radio interview that he has business in Milan, Italy during the convention....so --since he didn't get the "keep yourself open" call---he supposedly isn't in the running.

Biden's got some problems especially with his votes on the credit card bankruptcy bill that passed...as a Senator from Delaware he has some major BANKS in his constituency...so he failed us on that...and he's been known to talk a good talk and then waffle and buckle under to the right----BUT he's the best of the 3 being touted...unless there is a "mystery candidate"--which is always a possibility....

I'm prepared to be disappointed. :icon_confused:

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NYT:

Obama Ready to Announce Running Mate

Josh Stephenson/Bloomberg News
Senator Barack Obama at a campaign event Monday in Albuquerque. Mr. Obama could announce his choice for running mate as early as Wednesday.

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WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama has all but settled on his choice for a running mate and set an elaborate rollout plan for his decision, beginning with an early morning alert to supporters, perhaps as soon as Wednesday morning, aides said. ---NYT August 18, 2008



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[paul]

Thanks for that info on Clark Marky. So he wont be needed at the convention...jesus! When are these dems gonna grow a pair!
OK, like you I'll expect the usual dem snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[markydefad]

Tuesday the buzz was all about Joe Biden.

Well, it's Wednesday, dammit, and today it's all about Even Bayh from Indiana--which no one seems very thrilled about. Oy. :icon_eek: