A John McCain shortcoming

[remicks]

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Hey Paul

remember the "too short" tactic the Rush Limbaugh types used against Howard Dean when sizing him up for the presidency...

.... whether little Dean , when standing next to other world leaders, would imperiously "represent" the US of A ..... etc.

Howard Dean

The man who we thought would be running for president but did extraordinarily badly in the primaries. Too liberal, too crazed, too short, too stocky, too uncharismatic. And who gives their height in quarter inches?

"I'm 5'8". Almost 5'9". 5'8 3/4 to be exact." -Howard Dean

urban dictionary

How tall is John McCain?



John McCain's Height :

5'7"

wikianswers





let's see how much that concerns them this time


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[markydefad]

Rush Limbaugh hates John McCain...the whole corporatist wing of the Republican party hates John McCain....they hoped for Giuliani, now may have to settle for Romney...but Romney outspent McCain something like 7 to 1 and still loses elections to him...so Rush may have to up his daily dosage of oxycontin to get him through the next few years. :icon_razz:

[Videoskooter]

And gentlemen, your predictions? I guess Giuliani is out, Edwards is out, Huckabee is still in the race but....?

Democrats: clearly a battle between Clinton and Obama. Ted Kennedy supporting Obama, thus giving the message that the Democratic powers that be,don't really like the Clintons?

Republicans: McCain vs. Romney? And what about Ron Paul? Our media are pretty silent about him.

[paul]

Remicks, I'm still bitter about what happened to Dean in '04. :icon_evil: He was right on Iraq, right on health care, right on the economy and deficits, right on everything.
I still believe he would have won the Presidency had the dems avoided Iowa and NH as first primaries/caucuses and went right to CA. We are the biggest state after all. Add to that the repugs were scared of of him. Even 6 monthe back, I heard Michael Savage say we (repubs) dodged a bullet when the dems didn't select Dean.
OK, I'll stop ranting about Dean.
I'm glad that nut Rudy, is gone. He was the scariest of the bunch to me. Fortunately he was mostly a NY media candidate!
Obama, Hillary, McCain, Romney, zzzzzzzz. Based on how punk the dems were in '07, I became a Green man. The 4 major candidates are in the pockets of major corporate interest. Regardless of who gets in, this game is all over and they have won again!
By the way, I'm still not sure if this country would elect a Black man or a woman, least of all Hillary.

[markydefad]

Paul, this is so upsetting that a few tiny/medium-sized states get to control the whole winnowing down process of candidates. I wanted to vote for John Edwards and now thanks to fucking Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina & crotch-rot Florida--he's left the damn race!!! What a crock!!! Why do those states get to go first and we in California get no say in the process.?..we get the corporate-media chosen Obama & Hillary...no alternatives. :icon_evil::icon_evil::icon_evil:

[paul]

Exactly Marky. I really liked Edwards a lot more than I did in '04. Honestly, though I am Green, I would have voted for him if he was the Dem nominee.
Instead we got east bum-**** whittling down our choices. Unfortunately, I believe the party king-makers and corporate interest want it that way. It's easier to manipulate the mindset in those "little" states. It's all bullshit. The media ignored Edwards and they shut out Kucinich during the debates. They don't even pay attention to the Greens or Libertarians. Nah, we're better off knowing whenever Brittany takes a ****!

[DiscoMan]

Your language is unacceptable, but I wouldn't worry about it as I am the only one who gets banned for using the same language...:icon_razz:

[markydefad]

To show just how much the right wing nutjobs hate John McCain, uber-nut job Ann Coultergiest announced last night on Hannity & whatshisname that if McCain is the Republican nominee, she will campaign for Hillary!!! :icon_rolleyes::icon_razz::icon_redface:

Bet the Hillary camp loved that endorsement!!!

Ann Coulter: I'll Campaign For Hillary If McCain Is The Nominee - Media on The Huffington Post

[paul]

So speaking of villains...DM, interesting to see you're back.

[Videoskooter]

It's almost certain now: John McCain will be your commander in chief!

(Ralph Nader is most probably gonna join the election, will take away many votes from Obama/Clinton and will pave the way for the GOP to continue)

[paul]

It's almost certain now: John McCain will be your commander in chief!

(Ralph Nader is most probably gonna join the election, will take away many votes from Obama/Clinton and will pave the way for the GOP to continue)

In a way, I welcome it.

[DiscoMan]

Hi Paul, hope all is well with you.
I'm not back really, I just happened to cruise through here last night and saw the opportunity to point out the double standard used on this forum.

An Obama-McCain campaign will be most interesting. I have great respect for Sen McCain and remember quite vividly the years he was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton. A tremendous strength of character is the only thing that could have seen him through that ordeal.

Sen. Obama is quite eloquent. His liberal idealism reminds me a lot of Bobby Kennedy. IMO he is a far better candidate than Shrillary.
As they say..."The plot thickens."

I have no idea how I will vote if at all this time. I will wait to see what happens at the conventions.

[remicks]

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And gentlemen, your predictions? I guess Giuliani is out, Edwards is out, Huckabee is still in the race but....?

Democrats: clearly a battle between Clinton and Obama. Ted Kennedy supporting Obama, thus giving the message that the Democratic powers that be,don't really like the Clintons?

Republicans: McCain vs. Romney? And what about Ron Paul? Our media are pretty silent about him.

At this point none of those left standing leave me hot or cold . And after what we suffered with for eight years ..... anybody's an improvement .

I find comfort in McCain because he's so hated by the right group of political thugs. Even Ann Coulter has promised to campaign for Hillary if dastardly McCain gets the Republican nomination !!

Hillary is also despised by the right group of people that makes me OK with her. Just barely. .

Obama is smart and articulate. Such refreshing qualities in a president. Too bad John Kerry endorsed him.

Romney is the Washington outsider and maybe has the most creative ways of approaching old problems. Of course we thought that way here in Calif. with Arnold too.

My problem .. I have to send in my ballot today and I still don't know who I'm supporting. Well this is the primary and its changed in California so you can only vote within your party. Since I'm registered republican I've got to choose between Romney and McCain. Since Schwarzenegger endorsed McCain .....my vote I suppose , is going to Romney. Still got a couple of hours to mull it over ...

We also have three initiatives to vote on here in California . Each one is to give a specific Indian casino more slot machines .:icon_eek:

That's Schwarzenegger's solution for California's money crises...more slot machines :icon_rolleyes::icon_lol::icon_eek: :icon_redface: :icon_confused: ( the state gets a good cut of the losers loses) !!
Well when Arnold first ran he proclaimed "It's time the Indians paid their fair share !!!" I guess this is what he meant !


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[Videoskooter]

I have to send in my ballot today

Can you explain this to me? So you have to vote already for the candidate of your choice? That is voting for the candidate that you think will represent you the best, your pick for the real presidential election, right?

And are those votes (you and others) counted and the one that gets the most votes is then the Californian candidate for your party? Or does it work differently and is it even more complicated? (I really don't know that much about the American voting system).

And who's picking the running mate (candidate for vice-president)? The chosen candidate or the voters? And when will the teams be announced? Super Tuesday?

BTW, if I had to vote I really don't know who I would choose. Not Hillary Clinton, that's for sure.

Obama: gives a good impression but maybe a little too young and unexperienced.

McCain: I don't know, the guy has his temper, could be a second Nixon.

Romney: interesting man!

Huckabee: Yes, until I read some of his ethical statements that are very dangerous and it seems that he will not temper those.

And for the dropouts:

Thompson: sorry, no way!

Giuliani: Yes but...I don't know what to think of him anymore.

Edwards: maybe I would have voted for him if he had stayed in the race. So maybe Edwards would have been my choice and now...Romney or Obama.

[markydefad]

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. Since I'm registered republican I've got to choose between Romney and McCain. Since Schwarzenegger endorsed McCain .....my vote I suppose , is going to Romney. Still got a couple of hours to mull it over ...
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oh remicks....what a revelation. I. AM. IN. SHOCK. :icon_sad::icon_sad::icon_sad: :icon_mad::icon_mad::icon_mad: :icon_redface::icon_redface::icon_redface: :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes: :icon_evil::icon_evil::icon_evil: :icon_cry::icon_cry::icon_cry:

[DiscoMan]

Don't be Markey. I spent three years in the Anti-War movement and then worked for George McGovern in '72 in Massachusetts. After that eye opening experience I threw my hat in the Republican ring when I saw what became of the democRats...

[markydefad]

And after the past 8 years of outrageous lies, corruption and unbelievable incompetence, you want more???? More wars, more taxbreaks for the corporations, more spying on the citizens, more lying about who our "enemies" are? The enemy lies within and it's sole purpose is to keep the American people terrified and take away their rights--so that the priviledged class can run everything...say goodbye to the America we thought we were living in....Corporatist Fascism is coming back. Right here in the USA...unless these creeps are voted out of office!!!

[DiscoMan]

And after the past 8 years of outrageous lies, corruption and unbelievable incompetence, you want more???? More wars, more taxbreaks for the corporations, more spying on the citizens, more lying about who are "enemies" are? The enemy lies within and it's sole purpose is to keep the American people terrified and take away their rights--so that the priviledged class can run everything...say goodbye to the America we thought we were living in....

God man... lighten up. This has nothing to do with my remarks...Jeesh.
I voted for W twice and I have not been happy at all with his second term. One of the few positive things I can think of is that the jihadists haven't been able to murder more Americans here, and the "spying" has undoubtedly helped. So some part of the war against the jihad is working.

America hasn't been a free country for a long time...

I unequivically oppose free trade. It is ruining this country. The corpoarations are getting rich from it while our society and the rest of the economy go right down the $*****r (gotta abide by the double standard here). We must put in power politicians who end NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO.

I don't know who I'm gonna vote for if I vote at all. Romney did a good job in the commiewealth of Massholechusetts with a Great and General Court that was 88% democRat, but he's a "free trader" and I won't vote for a "free trader". The corporations own both parties and the citizenry must break that hold or this government is lost.

[remicks]

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oh remicks....what a revelation. I. AM. IN. SHOCK. :icon_sad::icon_sad::icon_sad: :icon_mad::icon_mad::icon_mad: :icon_redface::icon_redface::icon_redface: :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes: :icon_evil::icon_evil::icon_evil: :icon_cry::icon_cry::icon_cry:

:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: Marky all is not as bad as it it may seem !! Registering as a republican and actually being one are two different things !! Party affiliation means nothing to me. They are all equally corrupt. When I go through the voting booth and they check off my name in the Republican column I think to myself "what a joke".


I spent most of my years being registered Independent or Green ... haven't been Democrat since the glory days of Jimmy Carter. I decided to go Republican because they then send you all their phony literature and you can better keep track of them. (Same reason I used to encourage Jerry Falwell to send me all his crap !! ) Being registered republican , they waste a lot of expensive glossy campaign material mailing it to me and when I go into the booth I simply take with me their voter's guide and pretty much vote opposite all the way down . Also they send out surveys and opinion polls which I get to mail back to them blessed with my brutally honest comments. :icon_razz:

I haven't voted Democrat since Jimmy Carter either ... well until the last election I caved in and voted for John Kerry because I hate Bush that much. Or rather what I hate is having an idiot for a president. My stomach still turns from the memory of doing so though . Don't think I've ever voted Republican because the candidates are always even worse than the Democrats...although maybe so in some of the Senate races against Feinstein and Boxer ..... I can't stand either of those worthless hags ....


Then as for voting now for Romney ....if McCain ties up the nomination too soon ..then the Republicans have their man and can sit back and organize for the big one ... while the Democrats continue to spend their time and money against each other....between Hillary and Obama. Therefore iin the interest of fairness it would be a good thing for Romney and McCain to also continue to battle it out on the Republican side.

Videoskooter :
Can you explain this to me? So you have to vote already for the candidate of your choice? That is voting for the candidate that you think will represent you the best, your pick for the real presidential election, right?

And are those votes (you and others) counted and the one that gets the most votes is then the Californian candidate for your party? Or does it work differently and is it even more complicated? (I really don't know that much about the American voting system).

And who's picking the running mate (candidate for vice-president)? The chosen candidate or the voters? And when will the teams be announced? Super Tuesday?

VS ..... this is the California primary and each person running in each party is getting a number of electoral votes from our state depending on what per cent of the vote they get. As you can see its already whittled down considerably who's left for us to choose from . The Democrats distribution is proportional .... so if its a tie between Hillary and Obama ... both get half of the state's demo delegates. Not sure about the republican side ..it might be winner take all. (??) Each state is so different ! Of course California is a big prize state. All this is heading for the partys' conventions where they will tally all these delegate votes up and see who has the required minimum to be nominated . Each candidate gets to choose his own vice presidential co-runner .... although I'm sure other powers chose Cheney for Bush.

If you really want to follow it all go to :

Election 2008: Presidential, Senate and House Races Updated Daily


Here is some of today's juice from that site :

Many prominent conservatives, including Ann Coulter, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, and Pat Toomey, have a visceral hatred of John McCain, which is going to be a big problem if he is the nominee (see also here and here). All of them hate Hillary Clinton, too, and probably could learn to hate Barack Obama if he is their opponent. One of the arguments that Republicans have been making about why they will win this year is how Hillary Clinton will unite their party like never before. Unless John McCain divides it like never before. Which hate is stronger? In any event, there is likely to be a lot of hate this year.

The U.S. economy lost 17,000 jobs in January. While the formal definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth in GDP, something economists understand, for most people, having to worry about losing your job is a better indicator and tends to push people towards the Democrats. A recession in an election year will focus everyone's attention on which party can be better trusted to fix the economy. John McCain has (perhaps foolishly) said he doesn't know much about the economy. He may come to regret that. His great strength is national security and to the extent that gets put on the back burner while people are worrying about their jobs, it hurts him. If there is another terrorist attack, people will look to him for strength.

-- The Votemaster

I didn't send in my absentee ballot yet. Couldn't quite force myself to vote for Romney. :icon_rolleyes::icon_razz: Now I'll have to hand deliver my ballot to the polls on Tuesday.

I wonder , it seems possible .....that the right candidate could come along .... and for some of the same reasons mixed with different ones ....that both you Discoman and I would vote for .............??



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[Videoskooter]

Just in: the results for the GOP in West-Virginia:

Huckabee: 52%
Romney: 47%
McCain: 1 (one) % :icon_eek:

[DiscoMan]

Huckabee winning in West Virginia is not surprising - the bible belt right in the middle of Appalachian coal country. Those are remote southern "hill folk". McCain is perceived there as being a liberal and perception is reality.

[remicks]

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This time I voted for ......
.......................................... Ron Paul :icon_eek: :icon_eek:




Next time ???? ------





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....................................God willing


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[remicks]

Just in: the results for the GOP in West-Virginia:

Huckabee: 52%
Romney: 47%
McCain: 1 (one) % :icon_eek:

Here 's how the Votemaster explains it:

West Virginia is an interesting case. McCain got only 1% of the vote there. Did he take a stand against moonshine and outhouses? No. West Virginia had a convention, which is like a caucus except that only party leaders get to go. On the first round, Romney came in first so the McCain and Huckabee people got together and decide to all vote for Huckabee on round 2 to deny Romney a victory.
Why would the McCain and Huckabee people cooperate? After all, their candidates are competing for the same prize. Most likely, Huckabee realizes that while he won five states yesterday, he is not going to get the nomination. But his presence in the race hurts Romney badly and helps McCain. McCain is a smart guy and fully understands that he needs Huckabee to split the conservative vote (see above about McCain not getting 50% except in northeastern states with few conservatives). So what's going on? Huckabee wants to be McCain's Veep and by working with him to defeat Romney, he improves his chances. On the campaign trail he attacks Romney all the time as a Johnny-come-lately to conservatism, but Huckabee never has a bad word about McCain.
But a McCain/Huckabee ticket is not without its problems. It will unify the Republican party to a large extent. Huckabee is a young guy (52) and his supporters are only months away from working on their "Huckabee in '16" signs. But Huckabee is not popular at all with independents and Democrats. When the mud begins to fly, and it will, expect the following. "McCain is an old guy who has had malignant melanoma repeatedly. He's going to die in office and then you get President Huckabee? You want President Huckabee?" Of course the candidate would never say anything like that, but outside (527) groups will have no hesitation at all in saying that. So McCain has to think carefully about a Veep more popular than himself within his own party but not at all popular outside it.
--- electoral-vote.com

This particular shenanigan really has the Limbaugh crowd's (who are Romney supporters) feathers ruffled .


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[Videoskooter]

This time I voted for ......
.......................................... Ron Paul

Is he still in the race? It's very weird as our press almost never mentions him, they concentrate on Obama/Clinton and Huckabee/Romney/McCain. Romney gets the best reviews for his economical programs.

Remmy, BTW, you mention the fact that your next vote could go to Obama? You are a registered Republican. Can you vote for a Democrat? Maybe a stupid question but your voting system is so weird to us Euros.

[paul]

Remmy, BTW, you mention the fact that your next vote could go to Obama? You are a registered Republican. Can you vote for a Democrat? Maybe a stupid question but your voting system is so weird to us Euros.

It's wierd to us Americans too :icon_lol:
In the general election, regardless of party affiliation you can vote for whomever.