Patrick Juvet "La Musica" Proto-Disco?

[discoboy2008]

I recently found this video on youtube of Patrick Juvet from 1972 singing
a song called "La Musica" ... it seems to have some disco elements..
the orchestra...the back up singers... the danceable melody

The clip is at: YouTube - La Musica (13/06/1972)

Does anyone agree with me? or am I totally wrong? What type of
music is this?

Another early 70's song I'm wondering about is "Porque Te Vas" by Jeanette
YouTube - jeanette porque te vas (live)

What type of music is this?

[remicks]

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Most interesting videos !! :icon_biggrin:

I'd label them both folksie polkas .....oompa oompa oompa ... (the second one sort of a hop along cowboy polka)

The Patrick Juvet one ... especially entertaining .... curious ... the most prominent instrument is an accordian ....yet amongst all those musicians ....it's the only one I don't see !.....
If this were American Idol ... not sure he'd have even made it on to Hollywood .....Good thing Simon Cowell isn't reviewing this I think he'd have said .... "Well, one thing for sure, you're no Sanjaya !!!" ...... :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_rolleyes:




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Oh wait, Paula would've voted for him .......

[SandraDee]

If this were American Idol ... not sure he'd have even made it on to Hollywood

That just makes me like Patrick Juvet even more.

[Simon White]

Good grief............:icon_cry:

[Videoskooter]

I'm not so crazy about "La Musica" which is typical French chanson-pop but I always digged "Porque Te Vas" but that's lounge music. Disco??? IMO, not even close.

http://www.discomusic.com/cds-more/3876_0_3_0_C/

[Mixmachine]

Disco elements?

Is this a joke??? (well, he was always a joke)

This guy wouldn't make it through the first round of American Idol, not even after going through the 'Bee Gees school of singing' in the late 70's.:icon_lol:

But He was always good for a laugh on the Tele, though:icon_smile::icon_smile:

--- What is your name? "I love america"
--- where are you from? " I love America"
--- Are you going to do another song? " I love america"
--- do you have another pair of tight leather pants? -- "I love America"

:icon_smile::icon_smile::icon_smile::icon_smile:

[discoboy2008]

Sorry about my ignorance of early 70's music. I like those two songs, whatever type of music they are. It's kind of hard to find similar songs though, that's why I was interested in what type of music it was. All I have been able to find from the early 70's is rock and soul stuff which I'm not really into, but I like this pop stuff even though some people think it's corny :icon_surprised:

I especially like how the "La Musica" video is done all live.. not pre-recorded.. I have only seen that on one disco video by Tina Charles
YouTube - TINA CHARLES apparently from 1974 where she sings "You Set My Heart On Fire" It's strange that this seemed to completely abandon these live things for pre-recorded tracks... I like seeing them actually sing

Can anyone recommend any more good pop from the early 70's?

[JussiK]

Check YouTube for "Prisencolinen.." by Adriaino Celentano for a steady protodisco groove that must have been the model for Tullio di Piscopo's "Stop Bajon" a decade later. Keep an eye for all the countless lounge comps out on Crippled Dick, Fantomas etc labels as they contain early-to-mid 70's fusions of bongo boogie, uneasy listening, jittery chase funk from Italian exploitation films and general mondo bizarro quirkiness, stuff that became disco - or eurodisco to be precise. Comps like "Popshopping vol 1" and "Espresso Espresso" give the goods. Make sure the sounds are European as the American lounge is about cocktails and cha-cha and not about leggy, haschish-grazed models frugging wildly on orange shag carpets. Google "dusty grooves", "black emanuelle" or "lounge music" and you're on your way.

[Paulo]

Check YouTube for "Prisencolinen.." by Adriaino Celentano for a steady protodisco groove that must have been the model for Tullio di Piscopo's "Stop Bajon" a decade later. Keep an eye for all the countless lounge comps out on Crippled Dick, Fantomas etc labels as they contain early-to-mid 70's fusions of bongo boogie, uneasy listening, jittery chase funk from Italian exploitation films and general mondo bizarro quirkiness, stuff that became disco - or eurodisco to be precise. Comps like "Popshopping vol 1" and "Espresso Espresso" give the goods. Make sure the sounds are European as the American lounge is about cocktails and cha-cha and not about leggy, haschish-grazed models frugging wildly on orange shag carpets. Google "dusty grooves", "black emanuelle" or "lounge music" and you're on your way.

Thank you Jussi for those cues.

To my understanding, DISCO had evolved from american philly soul and funk.... because that's what happened in Brazil, as american black music was very very popular and commercial here in the 70's. That's what was ''visible'' to us.

But listening to samples of the european pré-disco tracks you mentioned above, one can detect many elements used later in european disco tracks. Thanks.

[Disco Funk]

Thanks for the video discoboy. Unfortunately, this track is about as disco as Lawrence Welk (I don't know if he attempted to do a disco track). I do like Patrick Juvet's later stuff, which definitely was disco.

Disco Funk

[Mixmachine]

Sorry about my ignorance of early 70's music. I like those two songs, whatever type of music they are. It's kind of hard to find similar songs though, that's why I was interested in what type of music it was. All I have been able to find from the early 70's is rock and soul stuff which I'm not really into, but I like this pop stuff even though some people think it's corny :icon_surprised:

Can anyone recommend any more good pop from the early 70's?

Here is a list of *true* Proto Disco music. all this cuts were played in early 70's "Discotheques" in America and beyond. Here in the US "Euro Disco" as it came to be known in the late 70's was not part of the early scene, many europeans records (some found in this list) from groups like Titanic, Barrabas, Equals, Osibissa, Banzaii, Space, Chocolats, Black blood, etc were part of the Discotheque music tapestry of sounds, but the Euro sound, introduced by Silver Convention in 1975 should not be included in any *proto Disco*list, by the time this Euro sound evolved in the late 70's and joined the disco scene, "Disco Music" was already old news, certainly to the vast 'underground' Disco crowds in America. :icon_smile:

This charts should keep you busy for a while:icon_cool:

45 PREDISCO FLOOR-SHAKING 45s


Proto Disco

More early '70s Proto Disco music found here in this chart

[Simon White]

Nice lists but dangerous territory !

Some of that stuff was definately being called 'Disco' when it was released and some of it wasn't...but were played in Discos !

[Mixmachine]

Nice lists but dangerous territory !

Some of that stuff was definately being called 'Disco' when it was released and some of it wasn't...but were played in Discos !

we've been through this before in this forum long ago, but let me re-state my opinion again from the US point of view from someone that was collecting and going to Discos then..:icon_mrgreen:

For me all the music that was played in Discotheques in the early days, whether it was R&B, Funk, Soul, danceable Rockish beats or Northern Soul :icon_mrgreen:, was all considered Disco music.

The proof is on the Records (vinyl) themselves, they used to label many clearly funk records/music as "Disco" right on the labels ( I.E. “You +Me” - Undisputed truth, “get off your seat..”- South Side Coalition)), and the long remix of clearly "soul" records were dubbed "Disco versions", (not "Disco Music" version) this remixes were targeted for the "Disco" club, the music was “soul” but the long version was the “Disco Version”..

The term "Disco" was later high jacked (by marketing forces)in the late 70's or so, and applied to the club music in general but became particularly associated with what we call now “Euro Disco” music that largely replaced the original “Disco” club music (dubbed today Proto-Disco).

Today many IMO erroneously exclude early "Disco" club music from the "Disco Music " category, and why???, because some marketing department suit said so back then???

I don’t think so..:icon_mrgreen:

[Disco Funk]

Nice lists but dangerous territory !

Some of that stuff was definately being called 'Disco' when it was released and some of it wasn't...but were played in Discos !

I agree. I mean, they put Fencewalk by Mandrill on there. That's more funk, not disco. They're track 'Fat City Strut' has more disco-ish elements in it than Fencewalk. I don't think the shuffle groove in Doing It To Death by The JBs makes it disco either. There were other James Brown tracks from that period, like I Got Ants In My Pants, that were more like proto-disco.

The list also forgot to included tracks Pimp Walk and Stop & Go by Bohannon, both from '72. Also, early Philly dancers like 'Family Affair', 'Nation Time' and 'The Robot', both credited to The Family, are also missing, and those were out in late 71 or early 72.

Disco Funk

[remicks]

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Still crackin' up over the Patrick Juvet video ... at about 1:20 ... after his voice has dropped out for the umpteenth time ..... he looks around worried like he's half expecting a big ol' hook to reach out and drag him off stage !!!!

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[JussiK]

.. but the Euro sound, introduced by Silver Convention in 1975 should not be included in any *proto Disco*list, by the time this Euro sound evolved in the late 70's and joined the disco scene, "Disco Music" was already old news, certainly to the vast 'underground' Disco crowds in America. :icon_smile:

Er....pardon me for being as bold as to point out the fact that the euro sound did not evolve and join the disco scene during the LATE 70's. It happened during the early 70's. Mid 70's acts like Banzaii...if that's not eurodisco proper then what is it - soul music made by Americans abroad? West End label realesed Nico Fidenco's "Black Emanuelle" in 1976 as their first album ever, and that record is the euro sound personified. Now then term "European" does not necessarily signify something with a steady Munich thump, as there are several other countries in Europe than Germany, with their own shades of sound. Therefore, one must indeed include frenetic bongo tracks like "Playa Sin Sol" (which can be found in the wonderful "Club Masoch" early 70's boogie comp) to each and every protodisco list. I've got mates in New York, America, who swear by "Playa"! :icon_smile:

[Simon White]

we've been through this before in this forum long ago, but let me re-state my opinion again from the US point of view from someone that was collecting and going to Discos then..:icon_mrgreen:

For me all the music that was played in Discotheques in the early days, whether it was R&B, Funk, Soul, danceable Rockish beats or Northern Soul :icon_mrgreen:, was all considered Disco music.

The proof is on the Records (vinyl) themselves, they used to label many clearly funk records/music as "Disco" right on the labels ( I.E. “You +Me” - Undisputed truth, “get off your seat..”- South Side Coalition)), and the long remix of clearly "soul" records were dubbed "Disco versions", (not "Disco Music" version) this remixes were targeted for the "Disco" club, the music was “soul” but the long version was the “Disco Version”..

The term "Disco" was later high jacked (by marketing forces)in the late 70's or so, and applied to the club music in general but became particularly associated with what we call now “Euro Disco” music that largely replaced the original “Disco” club music (dubbed today Proto-Disco).

Today many IMO erroneously exclude early "Disco" club music from the "Disco Music " category, and why???, because some marketing department suit said so back then???

I don’t think so..:icon_mrgreen:

No dispute from me, Mixmachine. :icon_biggrin: I have a suspicion though that the denial of records like 'You + Me' as 'Disco' is sometimes ignorance and a lack of understanding that 'Disco' wasn't a dirty word back then and sometimes that denial is a form of racisim.

To have a term like 'Proto Disco' you first have to define what 'Disco' is. I know what I think it is...it's music that was MADE to be played loud in a DISCOTHEQUE.

But we're getting away from Patrick...bless him...and the original post.
Two examples of pure Europop that the UK would have watched agape even then I think. The UK's pop music was generally steps ahead of that of Continental Europe. Personally I never got the point of those pretty French girls with whispery non voices...oh hang on...suddenly I do get it..they're pretty ! I wonder if that what Patricks appeal was then? :icon_biggrin:

As for 'Eurodisco'....there are some great early examples of dance music that came out of Europe as Jussik's pointed out. But as the Pop world got a grip on it, to my mind generally it went downhill. To draw in from another thread, if they'd been blowing up records like Silver Convention at Kominsky Park, I'd have been fighting to press the detonator button. On my first ever visit to a Disco/Club as a kid into 1950's Rock and Roll, I heard records like Silver Convention and they sounded to me then, and sound to me now, like pop music and particularly annoying, flyaway and pointlessly trite pop music at that. Rock and Roll was about noise and passion and joy and jumping around having a good time and to me that's what was great about Disco too.

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[Mixmachine]

Er....pardon me for being as bold as to point out the fact that the euro sound did not evolve and join the disco scene during the LATE 70's. It happened during the early 70's. Mid 70's acts like Banzaii...if that's not eurodisco proper then what is it - soul music made by Americans abroad? West End label realesed Nico Fidenco's "Black Emanuelle" in 1976 as their first album ever, and that record is the euro sound personified. Now then term "European" does not necessarily signify something with a steady Munich thump, as there are several other countries in Europe than Germany, with their own shades of sound. Therefore, one must indeed include frenetic bongo tracks like "Playa Sin Sol" (which can be found in the wonderful "Club Masoch" early 70's boogie comp) to each and every protodisco list. I've got mates in New York, America, who swear by "Playa"! :icon_smile:

Jussik, I’m afraid that once we start to include obscure international/obscure records only known to a very few selected group (even among disco music fans) to pin point what and when exactly “Euro Disco” began any debate begins to get very complex indeed.

I’m well aware and even mentioned early European bands in my previous post as examples of early Disco or “Proto-Disco’ as many call it now, but this early 70’s music from Europe bears very little resemblance to what became known as Euro–Disco here in America in the late 70’s, (Silver Convention, Cerrone, Constandinos, Voyage, etc)

Early 70’s “Euro disco” (if you prefer this term) took their musical clues from Afro/Latin/Caribbean rhythms ( the better known Disco club hits in America did anyways) , one can clearly still identified European Classical music influences sprinkled among those hits here and there, but beginning in ’76 ( one can always find exceptions if one tries hard) Euro-disco was very different when compared with what was offered before (this is why “Save me" by Silver Convention was a hit, precisely because it was completely different and fresh at the time), now compositions are clearly borrowing from the ‘classical music’ template, and yes, with a clear ‘munich thump’ as you called it, Afro/Latin rhythms are now delegated to the background (in the mix), and the few soulful vocals that existed before are now replaced with mechanical “girly” chorus singing in monotone unison.

Whether is fair or not, this late 70’s club music is what your average Disco fan ( around the world) thinks of when the term Euro –Disco is used, and also this music/sound is what the majority of today's fans use to describe “Disco music” as, a distorted and incomplete view in my opinion.

But we're getting away from Patrick...bless him...and the original post.

the further away I get from him and his music the better :icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin::icon_bi ggrin:
so I'm signing out from here, after all we need to be "diplomatic" and Politicaly correct with what we say now, because who knows, maybe the next Diva interview is going to be Patrick Juvet.:icon_mrgreen: I love America!!!:icon_smile::icon_smile:

[Videoskooter]

after all we need to be "diplomatic" and Politicaly correct with what we say now, because who knows, maybe the next Diva interview is going to be Patrick Juvet.

Yes sir, indeed! :icon_lol: It's not only because of Dayna's excellent interviews but in general we go a little more strict on the hard criticism of some artists/records/Disco genres.

Let's face it, sometimes we (yes, me too) were almost "bashing" an artist and when that person comes over and checks the board (and believe me, they do!!!) we have a problem! If we want to connect with our beloved heroes we have to be more "diplomatic" indeed.

So, if there's a topic on an artist you don't like, maybe it's better you don't post in it.

Does it mean that you can not be critical anymore? Absolutely not! Just, try to post in good spirit and always consider the fact that the artist or record you hate can be cherished by another member!!!

BTW, this is a general remark for all members and not pointed at somebody in particular!!!

And now....for something completely different: Patrick Juvet!!!

[JussiK]

And now....for something completely different: Patrick Juvet!!!

Hold on just one sec...:-)

Mixmachine put it: "but this early 70’s music from Europe bears very little resemblance to what became known as Euro–Disco here in America in the late 70’s" - now there's the rub. I'm not writing from an American viewpoint but from Europe, where we have a demand for rare disco, by young clubbers. These guys and girls want to dig deeper into the roots of dance music, so if you are making a list of influental "protodisco" records for, say, a magazine article about disco music, you'll of course include actual influental records, not just expected big commercial hits Americans used to know. Having done quite a few successful disco gigs during the past years, and having been interviewed by ...how shall I go on without sounding like a pompous ass...influental magazines about disco, as well as having been talking to young disco fans in Spain, France etc, I can claim to say I know what I'm talking about ...It's just that things are different here. - Patrick Juvet? There's more to the man than "I Love America" disco-wise, just check out the absolutely storming 10 minute "Paris by Night" from 1977.

[Videoskooter]

I'm not writing from an American viewpoint but from Europe, where we have a demand for rare disco, by young clubbers. These guys and girls want to dig deeper into the roots of dance music, so if you are making a list of influental "protodisco" records for, say, a magazine article about disco music, you'll of course include actual influental records, not just expected big commercial hits Americans used to know.

That's the whole point Jussi! That's something many Americans and British don't get on this board. Europeans sometimes have other memories concerning Disco. The Munich sound was not Genesis, there were others like you stated and you and me, we're certainly not the only Europeans who remember those so called "obscure" records.

It's the same thing I want to do on this board. Talk about the big hits but also touch the "other side" of Disco. You see what sort of reactions Dimitri From Paris got here when they talked about his "Cocktail Disco" release. The guy was simply ridiculized by some here. And I know that Dimi has seen the topic and so did his record company.

That doesn't say that people can not discuss the kind of Disco that's presented in such compilations (and the Disco Deutschland CD) but simply hit and run is bad for the board and bad for the community. If somebody has nothing substantial to say then he should better not post in that particular topic. We can perfectly do without the sarcastic humbug. We're not Comedy Central!

Now, the way f.i. Mixmachine replies is interesting coz' he always adds something to the discussion and that's what I call discussing a topic.

I've simply had enough of:

"Hey guys, X has a new release and I think it's awesome"

Reply: "Yes, for somebody who has the equivalent of the complete North American production of Heinz tomato ketchup stuffed in his ears, that must sound indeed pretty well"

I mean, what does that add to the board?????