Meant to be play at 45rpm but work at 33 1/3

[JOL]

Here is three songs that where meant to be played at 45 rpm but work if played at 33 1/3 with some upping of pitch on the slower speed:

Laura-Lee "Sat-Is-Faction" at 45 rpm 128 bpm at 33 1/3 rpm with +8 pitch control104 bpm
Godley and Creme "Love Bombs" at 45 rpm 150 bpm at 33 1/3 rpm plus 5 pitch control 120 bpm
The Art Of Noise "Moments In Love" 45 rpm 136 bpm at 33 1/3 flat 110 bpm

Can anyone name any others that work? Please give original bpm at 45 rpm and then what it is at 33 1/3 rpm with bpm so that I can try to recreate it from an mp3 file if I don't happen to have the record.

[BrunoRepublic]

Just about any instrumental drum 'n' bass track, although the basslines will sometimes drop below the audio range. :) Wax Doctor's "Heat" sounds fantastic at 33.

[JOL]

Graham do you happen to know what the bpm is for that song at 45 rpm and what it is at 33 1/3

[Videoskooter]

Boytronic' "Brilliance".

Slowed down it provided the genesis of Belgian New Beat.

[BrunoRepublic]

Graham do you happen to know what the bpm is for that song at 45 rpm and what it is at 33 1/3

Sorry but I don't... it's not printed on the label. It's... um... typical d'n'b stupidly fast tempo? At 33 it sounds like trip-hop.

[JOL]

Graham,

couldn't find a mp3 of it anyway. I'm surprised I got very little response to this question. Thanks

[Com King]

Queen Samantha - Take a Chance is an excellent downtempo tune when played at 33 1/3 rpm.

But I'm sorry I can't tell you the bpm for that song.

[JOL]

com king, thanks

[remicks]

I'm surprised I got very little response to this question.

Well one thing .....most records are 33 1/3 to start with ..... far fewer were pressed at 45 rpms ... to use them to then slow down from ......

..... maybe too, historically more songs were pitched up than slowed down ????

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[JOL]

Remicks,

I agree most of the 12" that I own are 33 1/3. What would bug me was when I was mixing and I'd throw an record on I assumed it would be 33 1/3 but was 45 rpm instead, of course the label had no markings as to speed. This is how by happy accident that I found out certain songs worked very well on the slower speed. In contrast the opposite almost never works because the tune usually sounds like the chipmonks. I can't even think of one tune that works from slower to faster rpms. Once just to make a point of who much I disliked Madonna when she was spouting some garbage about being a re-incarnation of Marylin Monroe. I intentionally played "Like A Virgin" at 45 rpm and then near the end of the song I litterally turned off the turntable so she started to sound like she was on ludes and then immediately mix into a song called "No More Madonna" by the Totally Twisted Disapointer Sisters which got me an ovation from the dance floor.

[remicks]

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Great story !!! Very creative .:icon_lol:

I have one .... different twist ... ....in the early eighties I moved to Munich to participate in a new disco that was opening there called NEW YORK NY . The whole thing ultimately was quite a fiasco ( but an experience I wouldn't trade for the world regardless)

One thing I did while there was guest at a handful of clubs ( as ... oooo... this ..."DJ from San Francisco" :icon_lol:...) Well the music was changing radically then .... and sort of all over the place in sounds ...new wave .... techno etc...and there was also a sort of a leathery/rock sound there too ....much of it much more sped up....(..... not to mention the popular DANCE LITTLE BIRD...anthem .:icon_rolleyes::icon_smile:)
...Since I wanted to mix in locally popular stuff with what I had brought over I bought some titles. (Munich had an entire world that was underground as part of their subway system and this is where I seemed to find the record stores)

Now imagine the situation of never playing the music before ( had no equipment to be able to preview it/practice ) ... and on top of that on one particular occassion to make matters worse ... entering a club I'd never been in in my entire life ( had to follow a hand made map to find it) and just entering the booth and going at it cold !

I'm not going to say I got anything near a standing ovation at that particular place ...In fact one of my most vivid memories of the evening was while playing one of these German pressed records ....keep in mind it's being sung in German .... so the whole thing sounds quite foreign to me ...... a dancer rushed up a note to me that when I unfolded it ....instead of it saying something terrific like "you're the best ever" .... "I love you" .....or requesting a certain song even .... his message read : ..... " YOU'RE PLAYING IT AT THE WRONG SPEED" ..... :icon_eek: ........ :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_redface: ... ..............


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[Andy Farley]

Incantations by G.A.N.G. I've heard on a couple of Saint mxies played on 45 instead of 33, but in it's instrumental version so no vocals to give away. Usually anything around 130bpm works down nicely to around 97bpm when played on 33, just depends on the vocal as to how sleazy it sounds!

[JOL]

Remicks,
Great story and Andy thanks for the input.

[markydefad]

On one of Bobby Viteritti's old tapes--not done for the Troc--titled "Giorgio & Beyond" --he played the 45rpm of "Magic Bird Of Fire" at 33& 1/3....so it was very Dramatic, Sensual and Slow...mixed with something like "Stop" by Bob-a-rella... it worked very nicely...

[BrunoRepublic]

I can't even think of one tune that works from slower to faster rpms.

I can. Babylon Zoo's "Spaceman" was cut at 33 but became a hit at 45. The sped-up version was even put on the CD single.

[JOL]

Graham,

Will have to check out both versions.

[QUINNY]

In contrast the opposite almost never works because the tune usually sounds like the chipmonks. I can't even think of one tune that works from slower to faster rpms.

THE most famous example....

Herb Alpert - Rise was supposedly sped up by lotsa US jocks and played at 45 RPM or thereabouts. WHAT A TRAVESTY!!!!

[JOL]

Quinny,

Tell me it isn't so. That they where DJ's that would butcher one of my fav songs. I have the 12" and now just out of curiosity I will try it on 45 rpm and I know even before I attempt it I'm going to hate the results.

[pepper1dancer]

THE most famous example....

Herb Alpert - Rise was supposedly sped up by lotsa US jocks and played at 45 RPM or thereabouts. WHAT A TRAVESTY!!!!

WRONG!!. Quote from #1 Hits' "In England, where 12" singles are normally recorded at 45pm, British disc jockeys in dance clubs, failed to notice the imported American 12" pressings were recorded at 33 rpm and played "Rise" at the wrong speed, making it sound much faster than Randy (Producer, Writer along Herb) had originally intended. As it was an instrumental, there were no clues to suggest they were wrong and "Rise" became a United Kingdom hit in it's speeded-up version."

Now That's A Travesty!!!

[JOL]

Pepper1dancer,

You state that it was usual that in England 12" were normally recorded at 45 rpm. This begs the question as to why. Was it just a format choice like beta verus vhs or was there some other reason.

[QUINNY]

WRONG!!. Quote from #1 Hits' "In England, where 12" singles are normally recorded at 45pm, British disc jockeys in dance clubs, failed to notice the imported American 12" pressings were recorded at 33 rpm and played "Rise" at the wrong speed, making it sound much faster than Randy (Producer, Writer along Herb) had originally intended. As it was an instrumental, there were no clues to suggest they were wrong and "Rise" became a United Kingdom hit in it's speeded-up version."

Now That's A Travesty!!!

This just isn't true as the UK 12" was 101 BPM, just like the U.S. ones (I have both). On these boards we've had discussions in which US DJs and punters have stated that Rise was sped up Stateside. This seems more plausible to me as the U.S. discos had more of a staple diet of 130 BPM trax being played and sought after.

Most UK 12" were at 45 to give a better sonic performance (rather like higher tape speeds generally giving better fidelity). I also think the record companies wanted to distinguish the product from LPs.

[BrunoRepublic]

Most UK 12" were at 45 to give a better sonic performance (rather like higher tape speeds generally giving better fidelity). I also think the record companies wanted to distinguish the product from LPs.

I suspect (although I don't know) that US 12s moved to 33 because North American vinyl was more prone to warping than UK pressings, which always seemed much firmer... even on those late 80s Virgin/EMI pressings that were barely 1mm thick. In the late 70s and early 80s it was very rare to find records that were even close to perfectly flat. Small warps become bigger problems at 45. I have a couple of 45RPM records that I had to play at 33 just to be able to track them, and then speed them up in Audition and compensate for the EQ difference.