Hi-NRG, Love it... or loathe it..

[Energyguy]

Had lunch with a couple of DJ friends the other day. We got chatting about the various forms of dance music that have evolved since the "heady" days of 70`s disco. When I brought up the topic of 80`s HINRG/Eurobeat one of my pals said "It was the low point of 80`s dance music". I argued that it has had a huge influence on todays pop/dance music scene and, even though it was responsible (some would say) for the whole PWL onslaught that seemed to dominate the charts at the time, it was great, catchy dance music.
Unfortunately, he was not convinced... :icon_sad:

[FranceJoliFan]

HINRG has classics and duds like any other style of music. But I can't imagine life without Vivian Vee, Passengers, Taffy, Phyllis Nelson, Dead Or Alive, Company B., Lime, Lisa, and so many others.

Plus I always got a thrill finding many of these songs on aerobic dance compilations. They were better than many greatest hits packages.

[Magnifique]

Had lunch with a couple of DJ friends the other day. We got chatting about the various forms of dance music that have evolved since the "heady" days of 70`s disco. When I brought up the topic of 80`s HINRG/Eurobeat one of my pals said "It was the low point of 80`s dance music". I argued that it has had a huge influence on todays pop/dance music scene and, even though it was responsible (some would say) for the whole PWL onslaught that seemed to dominate the charts at the time, it was great, catchy dance music.
Unfortunately, he was not convinced... :icon_sad:

Oh gawd!

The HI NRG era was great. Well, for certain people a song at 130 BPM was tooooo fast at that time, but look to what type of music (and high BPM's) they dance to today...

[QUINNY]

Your friends were wrong.

As a rule, I found Italo Disco was the worst, closely followed by Hi-NRG.:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[marmite7]

Your friends were wrong.

As a rule, I found Italo Disco was the worst, closely followed by Hi-NRG.:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

Wrong way round Quinny

How can you deny Carol Jiani on Hit N Run Lover or Ask Me, or Sarah Dash with Lucky Tonight or even Sylvester - Do You Wanna Funk?

Hi-nrg in feel, but with soul & passion!

Just listen to Fancy's - Come Inside, then play Love Unlimited Orchestra - Welcome Aboard and tell me they don't have the same feel.

One disco & one Hi-nrg. Both with stripped down vocals & a repetitive beat, but both sublime.

Perhaps you're basing your opinion on those records which "crossed over" and by default could be discribed as commercial cheese, and that would be like comparing Ottawan's - Hand's Up with Inner Life's - Ain't No Mountain High Enough.

Hetro discos were different to gay clubs back in the early to mid 80's, with (imho), more emphasis on dancing in the gay clubs. The girls may have danced in the straight clubs, but the guys were only there to pull at the end of the night, when the three slowies came on (Another thread somewhere....!)

From the minute you walked into a gay club back then, the beat was insistent and relentless, with no naff DJ breaking to say "Happy birthday Sharon" or "Here's the latest from Junior / Shalamar / Goombay Dance Band" etc etc etc et al. (There is a God!!!)

Sure there were some crap hi-nrg tracks (disposable stocking fillers), but there were even more disco-fillers too - the tried n the tested, the bog-standards & run o the mills.

And then again..............perhaps you just had to be there

Hi-nrg was made for dancing, not listening and without it there wouldn't be the dance music of today, the raves of the late/early 90's or mega clubbing as we now know it.


In a nutshell........................it's your age :icon_mrgreen:

[Magnifique]

Well said, marmite7!

Hi Quinny,
As a rule, I found Hi NRG was the best, closely followed by Italo Disco music. And I stilll love it to death. :icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen:

[FranceJoliFan]

This genre is SO worth defending. It was an explosion of DIY music. Where producers could create a full sound with just a synthesizer and a diva. But it wasn't all one-button programming. These people created catchy hooks and driving beats. And kept dance music fresh.

I especially enjoyed hearing it evolve into the Robert Miles/Dreamland sound. It all captures a special place in time. And I've had a lot of fun dancing to it all.

But best of all, it doesn't detract from other styles of dance music. It's just part of the progression. A very influential one.

[Dayna]

Being born in 1960..
1 was in my 20's all through the 80's even though my passion is Disco mainly because that was the music I heard when I was 16 and like Alice going through the looking glass as I discovered myself and life Thats the music I fell into like you fall into a cloud in a dream ~!! Hi NRG is just a continuation of the music that I loved ..It might have had different flavors but it was the closest thing to my passion that there was I LOVE IT.. I Love Dance Music period..I'm basically a Diva addict and Hi NRG certainly has Diva's...I love House music too........I draw the line at Techno or tribal that holds no intrest for me.. I need my DIVA"S.. when music stops having Diva's I'm DONE~!! .It will be all about my 70's Disco-80's Hi NRG collection...which I pretty much listen to all the time anyway.. So to say Hi NRG was the lowpoint in dance music is Ignorant to say the least. If anything it saved dance music.:icon_redface:

[Energyguy]

Thanks for all your contributions to this hot topic ! One thing that has always struck me about the HI-NRG scene was how "creative" it was. Many of the good tracks were produced by very talented producers/DJs and, unlike many of todays modern tracks, they were original songs (unlike the many cover versions we get nowadays). The hi-nrg scene was instrumental in kickstarting successful careers for many female divas, who, would probably have found it difficult to achieve any form of success in the industry. It opened many doors...

[SandraDee]

Sure, hi-nrg may have lacked the lush classiness & musicianship of late 70s disco with it's sometimes tinny synth/drum machine sound but one has to admit that for sheer on-the-floor excitement not many records of any genre can match Eastbound Expressway's 'Primitive Desire' or Divine's 'Native Love', to pick 2 examples off the top of my head. Many hi-nrg records had immense charm & character despite their electronic sound (many didn't too!), which you couldn't really say about the programmed, soul-less stuff that gets released these days. It always annoyed me how hi-nrg, like it's previous incarnation Euro-disco, got slagged off by the funkier DJs & music press. Thank goodness sites like this exist that back up what I always thought: they were wrong!

[Energyguy]

Sure, hi-nrg may have lacked the lush classiness & musicianship of late 70s disco with it's sometimes tinny synth/drum machine sound but one has to admit that for sheer on-the-floor excitement not many records of any genre can match Eastbound Expressway's 'Primitive Desire' or Divine's 'Native Love', to pick 2 examples off the top of my head. Many hi-nrg records had immense charm & character despite their electronic sound (many didn't too!), which you couldn't really say about the programmed, soul-less stuff that gets released these days. It always annoyed me how hi-nrg, like it's previous incarnation Euro-disco, got slagged off by the funkier DJs & music press. Thank goodness sites like this exist that back up what I always thought: they were wrong!

Some good points miss Sandra I recall reading many reviews in the more "soul orientated" music mags of the 80`s and you could guarantee they would never give the hi-nrg releases a positive review. It was either down to some kind of "snobbery" or perhaps it was some kind of homophobia due to the popularity of this genre of music in the gay clubs?

[Charlie Windle]

Wrong way round Quinny

How can you deny Carol Jiani on Hit N Run Lover or Ask Me, or Sarah Dash with Lucky Tonight or even Sylvester - Do You Wanna Funk?

Hi-nrg in feel, but with soul & passion!

Just listen to Fancy's - Come Inside, then play Love Unlimited Orchestra - Welcome Aboard and tell me they don't have the same feel.

One disco & one Hi-nrg. Both with stripped down vocals & a repetitive beat, but both sublime.

Perhaps you're basing your opinion on those records which "crossed over" and by default could be discribed as commercial cheese, and that would be like comparing Ottawan's - Hand's Up with Inner Life's - Ain't No Mountain High Enough.

Hetro discos were different to gay clubs back in the early to mid 80's, with (imho), more emphasis on dancing in the gay clubs. The girls may have danced in the straight clubs, but the guys were only there to pull at the end of the night, when the three slowies came on (Another thread somewhere....!)

From the minute you walked into a gay club back then, the beat was insistent and relentless, with no naff DJ breaking to say "Happy birthday Sharon" or "Here's the latest from Junior / Shalamar / Goombay Dance Band" etc etc etc et al. (There is a God!!!)

Sure there were some crap hi-nrg tracks (disposable stocking fillers), but there were even more disco-fillers too - the tried n the tested, the bog-standards & run o the mills.

And then again..............perhaps you just had to be there

Hi-nrg was made for dancing, not listening and without it there wouldn't be the dance music of today, the raves of the late/early 90's or mega clubbing as we now know it.


In a nutshell........................it's your age :icon_mrgreen:

Hi Marmite 7

Getting a bit worried here, are you always right? Agree with you on tracks like Lynda Hayes-Don't you love me anymore, Joanne Daniel-After the rainbow, Peppermit-Light a night, Joy St James-Dance....plus the posts on house tracks and now this topic. From now on I'm going to post DITTO to all your posts.:icon_smile:

[QUINNY]

Some good points miss Sandra I recall reading many reviews in the more "soul orientated" music mags of the 80`s and you could guarantee they would never give the hi-nrg releases a positive review. It was either down to some kind of "snobbery" or perhaps it was some kind of homophobia due to the popularity of this genre of music in the gay clubs?

Could they have just thought it was not worthy in their eyes?

To my ears, generally the records were ultra formulaic (it was almost as if they went into the studio and just turned the drum machine to 130 BPM without any other thought...I know not all were @ 130 BPM, but I hope you get my drift), cheap sounding in many instances, lacking any real emotion and boring. THUD, THUD, THUD, THUD does not a great dance track make.

There were exceptions of course, but I for one, couldn't have put up with it for more than half an hour, tops, before I would go quietly mad. :icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin:

[Mixmachine]

Sure, hi-nrg may have lacked the lush classiness & musicianship of late 70s disco with it's sometimes tinny synth/drum machine sound but one has to admit that for sheer on-the-floor excitement not many records of any genre can match Eastbound Expressway's 'Primitive Desire' or Divine's 'Native Love', to pick 2 examples off the top of my head. Many hi-nrg records had immense charm & character despite their electronic sound (many didn't too!),

Your description is right on, there were many great songs that came out of this genre, but for the most part it was all "music by number" or "cookie cutter" stuff that didn't deserve much attention and was quickly and rightfully forgotten.

I used to spin many of the "better ones" (spent lots of $ buying many High Energy duds as imports) in many different clubs but found out that spinning any longer than +/- an hour of "High energy" was a dance floor buster, after a while they all began to sound the same, no matter how much the latest Diva was screaming off her lungs, even classics like Searchin', "so many man", and Bobby 'O' stuff to name a few got tired pretty fast after a while.

Hetro discos were different to gay clubs back in the early to mid 80's, with (imho), more emphasis on dancing in the gay clubs. The girls may have danced in the straight clubs, but the guys were only there to pull at the end of the night, when the three slowies came on (Another thread somewhere....!)

Sorry Marmite, this is probably true only in your neck of the woods

In any case I disagree with many of this perceptions that have been disseminated on the NET and here about Straight clubs and "dancing" , and I visited straight clubs from the Miami area to NYC and LA.

Many today claim that Gay clubs had better taste 'cause they played all this "Obscure Hit" music to pack floors that other clubs didn't.. well, I beg to differ..

in my personal experience patrons on this clubs danced to just about anything with a beat, including many times the flip side of bad records. ( I remember DJs reporting on their charts the Flips of records they got fresh a week before :icon_eek:, this Djs just had to show every one in the Pool how good they were at breaking songs, if you know what I mean):icon_lol::icon_lol:

Spinning in this clubs was much easier for a DJ, not only you could spin just about all the music --- good and bad--- of the type available at the moment in your bin (not much programming skill needed), but they all sounded the same and were produced at about the same BPM, making DJ mixing a breeze..

On the other hand spinning --- in the 80’s--- for a more musically "selective" crowd required more programming skills and knowledge of different types of grooves/music ( Classic Disco, Heavy Funk, Lite funk, soulful boogie, techno Funk, Freestyle, House, High energy, New wave, Salsa, Raggae) in order to give the crowds a more varied musical palette that would not bore them to tears with the same beat all night long.

Djs in Straight clubs had to be good at picking the 'cream" of the crop from the latest releases arriving at the Pools, and when introducing “new music” to the club they had to program it very carefully to avoid crashing the dance floor, not to mention, one had to be very creative to be able to switch from one genre to another several times during the night without sending everyone home.

Mixing all night long the same type of music created by the same handful of producer at the same BPM required not much effort or skills. but Hey, that's just my opinion, YMMV:icon_smile:

[kdavid13]

To paraphrase one of my favorite anthems "Hi-NRG lives !!!"

I could not imagine ; having ignored this great genre of music.Being a diehard disco fan ; I also branched into R&B circa 1981 during the great explosion of indie records like the ones on Prelude,West End & co.

But when I discovered Hi-NRG ; it brought back many of the things I loved about disco : the catchy songs,the wailing divas and the 4 on-the floor beats.

Buying everything on Record Shack,Proto,Passion,Moby Dick,Power,Megatone became almost like a religion... LOL

As in any other genre of music ; there were duds and stuff I couldn't stomach but the overall flow of music brought me great pleasure.

Lime,Carol Jiani,Miquel Brown,Earlene Bentley,Divine,Hazell Dean ; plus the productions of Ian Levine,Ian Anthony Stephens,Denis Lepage represent a great chapter in dance music.

I remember reading an interview with Levine in which he mentioned that many purists and Djs didn't consider his records as "soul music" ; despite the soul sisters on vocals and the Motown pastiche of certain of his songs.

I understand that it is not for everyone ; but it's still a VERY bright spot in my musical journey.

On my iPod ; I have 2 whole Hi-NRG folders full of these classics...And I add more & more every day.

So long live the beats and SEVENTH AVENUE ;o)
LOL

[marmite7]

"Mixing all night long the same type of music created by the same handful of producer at the same BPM required not much effort or skills. but Hey, that's just my opinion, YMMV"

Totaly agree Mix, but I can only speak for the DJ I knew who mixed up all types of beats & genres, without the need to talk during a difficult break between tracks.

For every out n out hi-nrg record (Bobby O, Cowley, Lime etc), you'd also be blessed with:

Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams or Love Is A Stanger
Visage - Night Train
Greg Phillinganes - Behind The Mask
Yello - Viscious Games
Rick Springfield - Celebrate Youth
Yazoo - Situation or Don't Go
Shannon - Let The Music Play
Jocelyn Brown - Somebody Elses Guy
Kid Creole - Life Boat Party or Stool Pigeon
Reflex - The Politics Of Dancing
Extra T's - ET Boogie
Rockers Revenge - Walking On Sunshine
Booker Newbury III - Love Town

all seamlessly mixed............


or................the beat would be tempered and slow-throbbers would be played, to bring the beat "down"

Lian Ross - Fantasy
Rose Laurens - American Love
Off - Electric Salsa
Tuillio De Piscopa - Stop Bajon Primivera
Time Bandits - Endless Road

before the DJ would start to pick it again, heading towards Simple Minds - I Travel, Bobby O - She Has A Way or Lisa - Sex Dance etc etc.

I would never say gay clubs played better music, they just played different. You wouldn't hear a gay record in the straight clubs and god forbid you wouldn't dance to it!! (I can only speak for The UK mentality here, which also crossed over when House Music appeared. Some of the top name 80's DJ's refused to play it because it "was gay music"!!) And now look. World domination


Quinny "Could they have just thought it was not worthy in their eyes?"

I never saw James Hamilton rave about a hi-nrg record - period! It was dismissed and sometimes with pointed references to the fact it was Boystown fodder, for boys who liked fast dancing. Read from that what you will, but it always seemed to me that this genre was dismissed automatically. Basically - the reveiwer just didn't get it. I wonder how many exclusively gay cubs he (or you for that matter), have attended and danced at?



Maybe it was a "gay" thing, (although plenty of my straight mates liked it too), that we preffered the relentless rhythm to completely lose it to, whilst dancing all night. No need to stop for a beer, just dance dance dance.


*waves* to Charlie Windle - me twin

[Simon White]

Great thread this ! Have to throw my hat into the ring....and i'm coming from a totally UK point of view here

For me, for every good Hi Nrg record there were ten crap ones which fell into formula bound, 130 bpm boring cliches, but these records were designed to be mixed in a fast seamless, relentless, spacey, lose yourself in the beat club style where you rarely heard the whole record anyway before it was mixed into something else. Heaven embodied that for me. They were records truly made for particular clubs (obviously !), not mainstream clubs, not radio, charts, or home listening although the more 'pop' end of things broke into the charts on many occasions....and think of how "YMCA" has now become a party cliche but who remembers the sheer excitement of hearing the remix as a brand new release for the first time? I remember nearly hitting the ceiling !

I agree entirely that the PWL hit factory sound was based largely on the Hi Nrg sound (for instance, they had a hit with a version of 'Give Me Just a Little More Time' that was a note for note copy of the Anglela Clemmons version that had been a big Gay club dancefloor sound) and in my mind that, coupled with the overuse of the much cheaper new technology in the early 80's that made everything electronic sounding instead of the big, expensive and luxurious sound of classic Disco is partly what killed Hi Nrg, certainly in the UK. Personally I always hated 'Do You Wanna Funk' for its hard electronic sound and lack of warmth and lack of 'camp' (and I use the word reservedly) and for me it's one of the records that marks the start of the downhill slide into pop crap. And I think the reasons for this slide are clear. Hi Nrg was made for GAY clubs where the reason for being there wasn't because just because you loved the music, it was because you were GAY. That was the common factor, not the music. So then when some of the Gay clubs started playing Souless electronic early House and early Techno, it split into two camps (!) ...naff remakes of big cheesy pop hits over a 130 bpm beat for the Gay Sharons and Traceys or the sound of someone banging a stick inside a dustbin while someone else tried to tune a radio in for the more serious off - their - heads Gay clubbers.

A certain synthesis of the two surfaced in relatively hardcore London clubs like Trade and DTPM, where the music made no sense at all without the drugs and where the whole ethos of Hi Nrg - seamless mixing, relentless banging tempo, often enhanced by drugs - lets face it, the most hardcore Hi Nrg dancers were either off their heads on drugs or booze - was totally replicated. It's also surfaced again in a lot of the mainstream common denominator uptempo dance music of the last 20 years but with the best bits taken out. And I'm amazed how many mainstream records I've heard that sound like 'Trade' records. So the Hi Nrg influence is pretty far reaching even if most of then sound like the intro to a song that never comes.

But there are some great tracks from recent times which do embody the essence of what Hi Nrg actually was originally before it passed into cliche... great , uptempo Disco music with a pop edge.

[SandraDee]

But when I discovered HiNRG ; it brought back many of the things I loved about disco : the catchy songs,the wailing divas and the 4 on-the floor beats.

I thought the same when I first heard Carol Jiani & Patrick Cowley: wow, disco's back (if a little stripped down.)

[SandraDee]

You wouldn't hear a gay record in the straight clubs and god forbid you wouldn't dance to it!! (I can only speak for The UK mentality here, which also crossed over when House Music appeared. Some of the top name 80's DJ's refused to play it because it "was gay music"!!) And now look. World domination

Well, I used to go to straight clubs in Staffordshire in the early to mid 80s & they played hi-nrg like Ronni Griffiths 'Best Part Of Breaking Up' & Divine 'Love Reaction' & some men actually danced to them! However it wasn't long before they were back to playing U2 or Phil Collins or Shalamar (on a good night!) It just wasn't the same without the poppers & leather though!

[SandraDee]

& some men actually danced to them!

It has to be said though that most men did stand around in suits with pints in their hands.

[marmite7]

It has to be said though that most men did stand around in suits with pints in their hands.

So true eh Ms Dee - only the bravest of men (And of course the gays boys) would be dancing to disco and all that the risk of having the piss being taken out of yas, for dancing with girls - lol

Twas only ok to dance with them right at the end

I'm still introducing some of straight mates to this sound and to a man, they've all been blown away by it. "Wish I had the chance to go clubbing to that music, instead of standing round Ritzy's with a warm pint of lager!!

[Mixmachine]

So true eh Ms Dee - only the bravest of men (And of course the gays boys) would be dancing to disco and all that the risk of having the piss being taken out of yas, for dancing with girls - lol

It has to be said though that most men did stand around in suits with pints in their hands.

:icon_lol::icon_lol:
You guys crack me up, :icon_lol:do you know how weird it is for me to hear anyone say that Straight man have a problem with Dancing???:icon_biggrin:

Maybe for Europeans and their descendents in the new world

Obviously you guys are to far off across the pond to know the details of Latin America culture, for instance, where I was born, Cuba, men have been dancing since they invented the drum.:icon_biggrin:

If you look at any vintage Cuban film clips , say the 30's, you'll see nothing but Dance Halls full of Dancing couples dancing to early native sounds that evolved into Salsa music later, the same with much of the rest of Latin America, especially countries like Puerto Rico.

In the early 70's as Dancing at the "Disco" was born in NYC, Latinos were among the first dancing from the get go at this clubs, you see, they were dancing already in the late 60's early 70's in Salsa clubs around NYC during this music's explosive period consider the "Golden age" by todays musical scholars of the era, this music arrived to NYC from Cuba and PR, and as Disco emerged , Latin Dancers, (and Disco musicians) including straight men, were there to boogie and get down. The same was true in parts of New Jersey and Miami, Florida :icon_mrgreen:

[Energyguy]

:icon_lol::icon_lol:
You guys crack me up, :icon_lol:do you know how weird it is for me to hear anyone say that Straight man have a problem with Dancing???:icon_biggrin:

Maybe for Europeans and their descendents in the new world

Obviously you guys are to far off across the pond to know the details of Latin America culture, for instance, where I was born, Cuba, men have been dancing since they invented the drum.:icon_biggrin:

If you look at any vintage Cuban film clips , say the 30's, you'll see nothing but Dance Halls full of Dancing couples dancing to early native sounds that evolved into Salsa music later, the same with much of the rest of Latin America, especially countries like Puerto Rico.

In the early 70's as Dancing at the "Disco" was born in NYC, Latinos were among the first dancing from the get go at this clubs, you see, they were dancing already in the late 60's early 70's in Salsa clubs around NYC during this music's explosive period consider the "Golden age" by todays musical scholars of the era, this music arrived to NYC from Cuba and PR, and as Disco emerged , Latin Dancers, (and Disco musicians) including straight men, were there to boogie and get down. The same was true in parts of New Jersey and Miami, Florida :icon_mrgreen:

Some guys (here in the UK anyway) do have a problem with dancing.. I have always found it quite amusing and can never understand what the problem is?!.. Perhaps it was never deemed "masculine enough"..lol. Its probably not an issue so much nowadays with the younger generation.
I`m pleased I started this particular topic and you have all made some interesting comments !

[marmite7]

:icon_lol::icon_lol:
You guys crack me up, :icon_lol:do you know how weird it is for me to hear anyone say that Straight man have a problem with Dancing???:icon_biggrin:

Maybe for Europeans and their descendents in the new world

Obviously you guys are to far off across the pond to know the details of Latin America culture, for instance, where I was born, Cuba, men have been dancing since they invented the drum.:icon_biggrin:

If you look at any vintage Cuban film clips , say the 30's, you'll see nothing but Dance Halls full of Dancing couples dancing to early native sounds that evolved into Salsa music later, the same with much of the rest of Latin America, especially countries like Puerto Rico.

In the early 70's as Dancing at the "Disco" was born in NYC, Latinos were among the first dancing from the get go at this clubs, you see, they were dancing already in the late 60's early 70's in Salsa clubs around NYC during this music's explosive period consider the "Golden age" by todays musical scholars of the era, this music arrived to NYC from Cuba and PR, and as Disco emerged , Latin Dancers, (and Disco musicians) including straight men, were there to boogie and get down. The same was true in parts of New Jersey and Miami, Florida :icon_mrgreen:

Heya Mix - how do you explain the disco backlash which your country saw then?

"Macho" guys too straight to listen to, dance to or appreciate disco in any way! The UK never had this wave of feeling, as the straight guys were just indifferent and were seriously only at the clubs for girls. The ONLY reason the dance floor suddenly flooded with straight guys was at the birth of The Rave Era, thanks to Ecstacy, reducing their need to pose, remain aloof & cool at the side of dancefloor. Suddenly it was OK for boys to dance on their own, without some random girl propping them up as they spun around on the spot to Careless Whisper etc

"E" broke down barriers and allowed straight guys to be free (here at least), before that only girls & gays danced - in the main.

Northern Soul events were the exception to this rule, as were Soul Weekenders (such as Gt Yarmouth & Caister), where Rare Grooves & quality disco / funk were spun. But back in the "high street" Ritzy's-type clubs, it just wasn't de rigeur to join the gals dancing round their handbags!!

Thank God the world has changed (or at least the UK!!) and now everyone's dancing to the same beat. (Although some do still have two left feet!)

[Mixmachine]

Heya Mix - how do you explain the disco backlash which your country saw then?

Ah common Marmite, not this again :icon_rolleyes:

Like I've said before, America is a Huge , enormous, humongous, place, with a demographic absorbed from all cultures of the world!!!

You can’t draw absolute conclusions about what you read in the papers or books, there are always huge amounts of Americans that know better and acted differently, this people many times comprise numbers larger than the population of some countries of the world!!!

For instance, read the local Disco Charts posted around the forum, and check out how the music varies according to regions of the country, and those charts only reflect a portion of what was really going on!!!

"Macho" guys too straight to listen to, dance to or appreciate disco in any way! The UK never had this wave of feeling, as the straight guys were just indifferent and were seriously only at the clubs for girls.

I think you are very mistaken if you think going to a Disco to pick up girls is some how not a worthy endeavor, and that some how it takes away from the "True" appreciation of Disco music, as a matter of fact just about all male discogoers (dancers and not) went to Disco clubs mainly to get laid, including Gay clubs.:icon_mrgreen: