Was THIS the grandest "Cerrone" production ???

[remicks]

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Side 1

One Forbidden Love
Fire In Your Heart
Cheri
Secret love affair
Forbidden love (Suite)



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[Videoskooter]

Produced and Written by Michaele, Lana and Paul Sebastian
Mixed at Music Land, Munich / Engineer: Jurgens Koppers
Recorded at Gang Studios, Paris

Good moooooorning Remmy!

But where's the connection with the French Discomeister dude????? :icon_eek:

[djsonic]

i know its not a cerrone produckt
but by the sounds of it, it could have been cerrone.
vocals and all. ill bet he was in on the lp,just not credited.
like a goast writer.

[BrunoRepublic]

i know its not a cerrone produckt
but by the sounds of it, it could have been cerrone.
vocals and all. ill bet he was in on the lp,just not credited.
like a goast writer.

But most of Cerrone's material was "ghost-written".

Cerrone was (and is) known to be a tad, shall we say, egotistical. It would be highly unusual of him to be involved in something and not have his name splashed all over the credits.

[remicks]

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As Videoskooter points out :

Recorded at Gang Studios, Paris

........most remarkably ........ convenient :icon_rolleyes: :icon_razz: ......


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[BrunoRepublic]

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As Videoskooter points out :

Recorded at Gang Studios, Paris

........most remarkably ........ convenient :icon_rolleyes: :icon_razz: ......


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Hardly. Cerrone always recorded at Trident studios in London.

[remicks]

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Hardly. Cerrone always recorded at Trident studios in London.

OH. :icon_confused:

BUT ....... if ones were intentionally emulating a certain sound .... wouldn't it be a good idea to locate oneselves where the emulated lives ( I guess Cerrone lived in Paris?? ) ... where the emulated could conveniently drop in and provide input .... if already so agreed ?

By the way .... when these artists like Costandinos recorded in London ..... used the musicians there .... the studios ... wouldn't that define this arm of disco "British" ??


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[Bernie]

By the way .... when these artists like Costandinos recorded in London ..... used the musicians there .... the studios ... wouldn't that define this arm of disco "British" ??

Remicks,

Do you really want Quinny to have a heart attack??? I thought we all understood that the British only listen and make Disco-Funk-Jazz and never Euro-Disco :icon_evil:

[remicks]

Remicks,

Do you really want Quinny to have a heart attack??? I thought we all understood that the British only listen and make Disco-Funk-Jazz and never Euro-Disco :icon_evil:

:icon_mrgreen: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

Maybe just a good dose of the vapors !! :icon_lol:



There is a huge irony here isn't there ....... :icon_razz:




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[Bernie]

:icon_mrgreen: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

Maybe just a good dose of the vapors !! :icon_lol:



There is a huge irony here isn't there ....... :icon_razz:




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Remicks,

I think this issue of British musicians is a great topic for a new post. Hint, hint...

[remicks]

Remicks,

I think this issue of British musicians is a great topic for a new post. Hint, hint...

Oh sure Bernie . Place the stick in my hand and point me towards the hornet's nest . :icon_razz:

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[Bernie]

Oh sure Bernie . Place the stick in my hand and point me towards the hornet's nest . :icon_razz:

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It would be a great topic don't you think? Seriously, until you just mentioned it I never gave it any thought. British musicians playing Euro-Disco while waiting for that lucrative Jazz-Funk contract.

Back to the original topic, why do you think Madleen Kane's album has a Cerrone sound? My records are not with me now so I can't listen, but from what I recall I just can't make the connection. Maybe more Don Ray than Cerrone, possibly.

[Mixmachine]

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It would be a great topic don't you think? Seriously, until you just mentioned it I never gave it any thought. British musicians playing Euro-Disco while waiting for that lucrative Jazz-Funk contract.

Back in the day I used to defend Euro Disco from the Rockers that said it was bad music, by countering..
"yes sure, that's why they have the London Synphony playing in the background"

Then later here I read that the Brits had nothing to do with Euro -Disco:icon_eek:so there goes(went) my argument :icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin:

[BrunoRepublic]

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OH. :icon_confused:

BUT ....... if ones were intentionally emulating a certain sound .... wouldn't it be a good idea to locate oneselves where the emulated lives ( I guess Cerrone lived in Paris?? ) ... where the emulated could conveniently drop in and provide input .... if already so agreed ?

You're really reaching here. You seem to think that because this is a good album, and Cerrone put his name on good albums, that this must therefore be a Cerrone album as if there was no other talent at the time. This reminds me of the guys who thought that every other new group in the 70s was really The Beatles working under an alias.

Michaële, Paul and Lana Sebastian were already established producers when they created this album. Thor Baldursson was also involved, and he would've had a lot of insight from his work with Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte. They might've borrowed some of the elements of the same style, but there's no need for direct involvement.

The problem with speculation like this is that it doesn't take long before someone accepts it as fact and passes it on (like people who still insist that Amanda Lear is transgendered). Another example is how a few MP3s have been mislabeled and uploaded to file networks, and you end up with people insisting that Real Life's "Send Me An Angel" is a long-lost early Pet Shop Boys track (despite the fact that it doesn't sound like PSB, and was a hit in its own right on three different occasions). If everyone believes something, things get to a point where it ultimately doesn't matter if it's true or not.

[Videoskooter]

Remmy, there is NO connection between La Kane and Il Cerrone. It's always possible that they frequented the same Parisian Croissanterie but that would be all! There's a connection with French producer Jean Claude Friedrich!

Now, why don't you talk about Claudja Barry and Cerrone. There's a clear connection!



BTW, and off-topic: I'll be in Southampton tomorrow!

What do you guys think: is there a possibility of a meet and greet with El Quinny, now known as the Eurodiscomeister? (Yep, Bernie, we finally DISCOvered the unconvenient truth about the British musicians!) Quinnius, if you see a Red Mercedes Actros with Belgian plates, It's me!!!!!!!

[remicks]

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You're really reaching here. You seem to think that because this is a good album, and Cerrone put his name on good albums, that this must therefore be a Cerrone album as if there was no other talent at the time. This reminds me of the guys who thought that every other new group in the 70s was really The Beatles working under an alias.

Michaële, Paul and Lana Sebastian were already established producers when they created this album. Thor Baldursson was also involved, and he would've had a lot of insight from his work with Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte. They might've borrowed some of the elements of the same style, but there's no need for direct involvement.

The problem with speculation like this is that it doesn't take long before someone accepts it as fact and passes it on (like people who still insist that Amanda Lear is transgendered). Another example is how a few MP3s have been mislabeled and uploaded to file networks, and you end up with people insisting that Real Life's "Send Me An Angel" is a long-lost early Pet Shop Boys track (despite the fact that it doesn't sound like PSB, and was a hit in its own right on three different occasions). If everyone believes something, things get to a point where it ultimately doesn't matter if it's true or not.

I learned long ago Graham that truth is 100% perception .

I'm not saying this is a "good album" .... I'm saying it's a great Cerrone (ish) album. His ( or whoever‘s ) best. Whether he was involved or not .... all I can say is .... one way or the other ... he never sounded better (IMO of course)
And if I’m maligning anyone in my surmising .....heck let Cerrone come here and straighten it out if he's bothered about it. It's not like he's dead . As a matter of fact, I think it's about time some of these folks did show up here at the internet's premier disco website. Spend some time and share some love with those that always have and continue still to appreciate them. As for Amanda Lear …. he should too ….


Until then, I can only conjecture … which is my right ... .... :icon_cool:


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[QUINNY]

BTW, and off-topic: I'll be in Southampton tomorrow!

What do you guys think: is there a possibility of a meet and greet with El Quinny, now known as the Eurodiscomeister? (Yep, Bernie, we finally DISCOvered the unconvenient truth about the British musicians!) Quinnius, if you see a Red Mercedes Actros with Belgian plates, It's me!!!!!!!

It's a shame that all of our lives are soooo busy, so that even when two of us find ourselves in the same relatively small geographical location a meeting is impossible, but I might have enjoyed meeting a Belgian redneck like you.

Errr, I wouldn't know a Mercedes Actros from a Smart car. :icon_redface:
Are you going on a cruise?

[JussiK]

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Michaële, Paul and Lana Sebastian were already established producers when they created this album. quote]

Absolutely. Having worked with French national icons such as Sheila and Claude Francois, it would be very odd had the team somehow agreed to put their stamp on a project secretly masterminded by Cerrone. Anyone into French pop ( via yé-yé, chansons, Gainsbourg etc) can instantly make a clear distinction between musical thematics of Jean Marc and the often bittersweet compositions of M, P and L Sebastian.

[BrunoRepublic]

I'm not saying this is a "good album" .... I'm saying it's a great Cerrone (ish) album. His ( or whoever‘s ) best. Whether he was involved or not .... all I can say is .... one way or the other ... he never sounded better (IMO of course)

He never sounded better because he was never involved.

Seriously, just what is so Cerrone-esque about this album anyway? The melodies? Not like him at all. The orchestration? Not really, on similar in the sense that they're both in the same genre, much like loud guitars are to be found on every hard rock album. The structure? No on all counts. The ballads on side two are like nothing he's ever done. The first side is a medley, also very much unlike him, as he preferred to stretch a single song out for an entire side back then.

And if I’m maligning anyone in my surmising .....heck let Cerrone come here and straighten it out if he's bothered about it.

Wow, I thought you were already being silly, but you just took it to the next level.

[remicks]

Back to the original topic, why do you think Madleen Kane's album has a Cerrone sound? My records are not with me now so I can't listen, but from what I recall I just can't make the connection. Maybe more Don Ray than Cerrone, possibly.

Ya ....Don Ray , Costandinos...Cerrone .....that whole crowd..... (they are all one and the same anyway ... right? :icon_razz: :icon_razz: :icon_razz: )

Here's a small piece of FORBIDDEN LOVE :


http://www.amazon.com/Club-Floor-Cla.../dp/B00000DD2X

cut #8


Check out the french horns about 3/4 thru .....:icon_cool:......which I don't think Cerrone ever used? ....but then ... this is "Cerrone" at his grandest (IMO )





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[Videoskooter]

I wouldn't know a Mercedes Actros from a Smart car. :icon_redface:Are you going on a cruise?

Err, an Actros is a truck :icon_eek:

This is 1 of my trucks so you can watch out for it the next time!



BTW, peek-a-boo:





Remmy, I listened to the Kane album and really, like Graham states: it's a complete different sound. But I did a search and there's indeed a connection: both artists drove Rolls Royce and guess what: they tanked at the same gas station in Paris. A big thanks to Pierre La Baguette who is now 76 years old and worked for 30 years at that garage. He remembers both of them like it was only yesterday!

Merci Pierre!!!!

BTW, I met Cerrone yesterday and this was his reaction after reading your post! (But me still loves ya Remmy!)

[Pat]

Love in C Minor and Cerrone's Paradise were the best Cerrone productions imo (followed by Supernature) I have all of his vinyls and apart from Cerrone 4 'look for love' and 'music of life' and Cerrone 7 featuring Jocelyn Brown (all cuts) I never felt the goosebumps as I did in 76-77 when listening to his music, but I kept checking his career and have collected his 'vinyl output' over the decades.

A grand producer he was but I have still a few doubts on the 'originality' and credit of some of his best work???!!

ps: his Cerrone XVII Hysteria (2002-3) is his best album after his great 76-79 period!!!

Amen to disco,
Pat

[Videoskooter]

He'll be releasing a new album very soon. I wonder which direction it will take. recycling his own grooves, similar Disco or something more electro????

I also like the Brigade Mondaine soundtracks but I've never read on this board that somebody liked "The Collector"

http://www.discomusic.com/cds-more/4730_0_3_0_C/

[Thereza bizarre]

I hope he does an electro tune, hey mr scooter your truck might possibly run away with itself for a "cruise" and run over quimmy hahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!
quinny does that program car booty i think lol...............
cerrone looked real good in the photo.......

[Pat]

Ah The Collector,

well, I actually like the 2nd version and live version of this Rock/Pop Opera
The collector had been released as a single accompanied by an anime clip which now looks very dated. The original story/lyrics was co-written by New Wave/punk star Lene Lovich with whom Cerrone had worked on Supernature and some his subsequent work.

The single as well as the album with this concept as a 3 track A-side was released 85-86 on Carrere records. A couple of years later Cerrone reworked the concept to a full album adding some extra synths and keyboards, this new version became the live show at the Eiffel Tower and from that moment on Cerrone organized many big events in open air and kept his name in the media.

As I mentioned at the start of my message I never really cared for the 'thin sounding' first version but the 88 album was actually good.

Brigade Mondaine, La Secte of Marrakech and Vaudou au Caraibes are patchy but the first 2 soundtracks do have some interesting tracks and of course some sampling of his own stuff or using some of his older material with another title. Typically of Cerrone. Easy money, I suppose.:icon_biggrin:
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Pat
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