MyPlay.com is shutting down permanently

**disco1999** · November 13th, 2002, 03:45 PM

Those of you who used myplay.com should gather their files back asap, they are pulling the plug of the "My Locker" feature on Dec13. Napster, AudioGalaxy, MyPlay, next!

**Funky Dude** · November 14th, 2002, 04:33 AM

FOR **** SAKES WHAT MORE DO THESE CORPORATES GONNA DO :evil: :x :evil: :x :evil: :x !!!!! THESE FAT SUIT'N'TIE CIGAR SMOKIN' SHINY BALLED HEADED CORPORATE BLOKES ARE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE MUSIC :x :x :x !!! HOW THE BLOODY HELL ARE WE GOING TO DISCOVER MORE AND MORE MUSIC BY THE TRUCKLOAD WHEN THESE CORPORATES ARE STOPPING US!!! NOT ALL OF US CAN AFFORD TO GO OUT AND BUY A SHITLOAD OF RECORDS AND CDs!!! AND NOT ALL RECORDS HAVE BEEN REMASTERED TO CD YET!!! PLUS CERTAIN RECORDS ARE FUCKIN HARD TO FIND :evil: :evil: :evil: !!! A LOT OF THE TIME FOR ME IN AUSTRALIA I HAVE TO GO THROUGH RACKS AND RACKS OF OLD FARTS MUSIC RECORDS AND POP RECORDS I'VE ALREADY GOT TO FIND THE OBSCURE DISCO STUFF :x !!! AND THERE'S ****-ALL AT THE CD SHOPS WHERE I LIVE!!! THERE IS NO CHANCE IN HELL THESE CORPORATES ARE GOING TO STOP ME DOWNLOADING MP3s :x :x :x !!!

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH I'M SO PISSED OFF :x :evil: :x :evil: :x :evil: :x :evil: :x :evil: !!!!!!!!!!

**QUINNY** · November 14th, 2002, 05:51 AM

Funky: You are so precious. Exactly the reply I was waiting to see. What took you so long? :lol:

**Outsider** · November 14th, 2002, 10:47 AM

Funky Dude, I know exactly how you feel, because I feel the same way about it. :evil:

**BrunoRepublic** · November 14th, 2002, 11:11 AM

Originally Written by Funky Dude

FOR **** SAKES WHAT MORE DO THESE CORPORATES GONNA DO :evil: :x :evil: :x :evil: :x !!!!!

Just wait and see.

THESE FAT SUIT'N'TIE CIGAR SMOKIN' SHINY BALLED HEADED CORPORATE BLOKES ARE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE MUSIC :x :x :x !!!

Well, that's precisely the idea.

HOW THE BLOODY HELL ARE WE GOING TO DISCOVER MORE AND MORE MUSIC BY THE TRUCKLOAD WHEN THESE CORPORATES ARE STOPPING US!!!

They don't want us to discover more music. They want us to only know and buy whatever crap they're marketing right now. The world is looking more and more like something out of an Ayn Rand novel these days, and that in itself is far scarier than any horror flick you could ever imagine.

NOT ALL OF US CAN AFFORD TO GO OUT AND BUY A SHITLOAD OF RECORDS AND CDs!!!

That's okay; soon there will only be about 50 albums in print anyway. "One nation under a groove" indeed --- note that it's a groove, meaning singular.

AND NOT ALL RECORDS HAVE BEEN REMASTERED TO CD YET!!!

Well, if it hasn't been put out on CD, then obviously there can't be much demand for it... and if there isn't much demand for it, then it can't be very good -- at least according to Quinny.

THERE IS NO CHANCE IN HELL THESE CORPORATES ARE GOING TO STOP ME DOWNLOADING MP3s :x :x :x !!!

They may not stop you, but they can certainly curtail your attempts. And they've already succeeded in doing that.

**QUINNY** · November 14th, 2002, 01:59 PM

What a goose!! What a golden egg!!
C'mon guys are you seriously expecting them to give it away? Please grow up and join the real world. They're selfish, you're selfish.....What's the difference?

**BrunoRepublic** · November 14th, 2002, 03:10 PM

Originally Written by QUINNY

What a goose!! What a golden egg!!
C'mon guys are you seriously expecting them to give it away?

No. But if they've stopped selling it altogether, I don't see why they would object to others trading it online. Companies don't lose money on products that they don't offer to begin with.

Please grow up and join the real world. They're selfish, you're selfish.....What's the difference?

Actually Quinny, I don't deal in MP3s -- period. I thoroughly resent the "music should be free!" attitude that Napster gave the world. The closing of various file-sharing and P2P networks will not affect me in the least.

What I object to, is what has effectively been an ongoing campaign for the last 22 years to rewrite musical history, with disco conveniently purged from the records (pun not intended). I would much rather buy a nice CD reissue of an LP instead of spending a week on digitally editing out all the pops and clicks. If there's not enough demand for this sort of music to be commercially issued, then why are they so concerned about piracy of it?

I have over 1200 CDs, and I would love to add to that with replacements for my beat-up second-hand vinyl. But I am not given a choice in this matter.

I also object to the notion that I can't make backup copies for myself of any of the new digital media formats. The industry just didn't learn from the DivX experience -- people will not buy something that they are not allowed to do what they please with.

And this isn't relevant to you, but as a Canadian, I really object the surtax (scheduled to increase again in the new year) that the music industry got slapped on *all* digital media. I pay for this on every CD-R, MiniDisc, DVD-R, etc. that I purchase, regardless of whether I am using it for legal purposes or not -- or if I'm even using it for music! This amounts to the music industry getting money for doing absolutely nothing except whining.

**QUINNY** · November 14th, 2002, 05:01 PM

What is the surtax on a CDR at $.30 CDN? F*** ALL.

Don't tell me that you wouldn't milk it for all it's worth?
Would you release a reissue with the intent of loosing money or at best re-couping your investment 5 years later (if at all).
If you're so good at cleaning up old discs, why don't you re-issue them? That way you might find out why some things are best left alone.
Records are about making money. If anyone tells you different, they're having a laugh. A business survives only if it makes a profit, otherwise it's adios amigo.
I'm sorry, but you are sooooooooo naive.

**Outsider** · November 14th, 2002, 05:12 PM

The reason I'm for file sharing services is so that I can discover new music, especially from obscure artists where it's impossible to hear them otherwise. If I like what I hear, then I would buy the albums from those artists, but I'm not going to buy an album if I haven't heard anything from it. It makes perfect sense. I miss Napster the most because they had a Mac version. :evil:

**QUINNY** · November 14th, 2002, 05:19 PM

You can't possibly miss what you've never had. Do me a favour and grow up. To put another spin on it that's cliche ridden You want your cake and to eat it? Do me a favour and grow up.

**BrunoRepublic** · November 14th, 2002, 05:34 PM

Originally Written by QUINNY

You can't possibly miss what you've never had.

No, but you can be aware that there are much better things out there, even though you've never seen or heard them.

Do me a favour and grow up. To put another spin on it that's cliche ridden You want your cake and to eat it? Do me a favour and grow up.

Do us a favour and stop being redundant :P

**BrunoRepublic** · November 14th, 2002, 05:53 PM

Originally Written by QUINNY

What is the surtax on a CDR at $.30 CDN? F*** ALL.

First of all, that's not "**** all", that's a ****ing. That cost is added before retailer markup, so that doubles the cost of blank media for some brands. And the proposed rates are double that, starting Jan 1, 2003. They want a levy of $21 per gigabyte for MP3 players, which would price them right out of the market. Secondly, you continue to be eluded by the point -- this is on all CD-Rs, not just music ones. So, if I decide to back up my hard drive to CD-R, and need about 20 discs to do it, then the music industry gets $6 from me for doing absolutely nothing. This is the equivalent of putting a levy on all paper products, because they could be used for printing copyrighted material. Oh, and a printer should have a levy of $400 on it, given all the books and magazines I could copy with it. Gosh.

In most countries, getting money for doing nothing is called Welfare or The Dole. In Canada, it's called being part of the music industry. Hmmm... perhaps I should start my own label, release one single, and then try to get my share of the cash by claiming that MP3s caused my business to fail.

Don't tell me that you wouldn't milk it for all it's worth?

I must admit that if I could force you personally to pay me money every time you backed up a file, I'd certainly go for it. I'd love to get your cash (which you must have a lot of, if you think 30¢ on a CDR is "**** all"), especially if I didn't have to do a thing for it.

Would you release a reissue with the intent of loosing money or at best re-couping your investment 5 years later (if at all).
If you're so good at cleaning up old discs, why don't you re-issue them? That way you might find out why some things are best left alone.

Again, you demonstrate a brilliant example of denying what my arguement is all about. I *know* it doesn't make any business sense for them to reissue these recordings... so why is it so wrong that I would share them with others?

Records are about making money.

The Record Industry is about making money. Records are about music -- or at least, they should be.

I'm sorry, but you are sooooooooo naive.

As I have learned from previous discussions, debate with you is pointless. You only hear what you want to hear, and ignore everything else.

**QUINNY** · November 14th, 2002, 06:09 PM

Graham: A CDR costs about $.30 CDN so the surcharge on it is absolutely diddely squat.
Man buys house for $100,000 CDN in 1980 sells house for $400,000 in 2000. What has he done to earn that!!!!!!!!!!
The world goes round 'cos fat cats in all industries and all professions make big bucks for doing absolutely sweet FA. Isn't Cananda part of the capitalist west?
Just because a record is out of print doesn't mean that no one owns the intellectual rights to the material.
Do you expect a facimile car from '77, a facimile fridge. Get my drift?
You're just acting like a spoilt child and your arguments are completely in line with that. Your just pissed 'cos there's something you can't have.

Another thing. Let's say you have a car that you don't use for whatever reason. Does that give anyone the right to take the car and start using it or worse still, start making money by driving it. You'd want your cut wouldn't you or get the guy locked up for theft? You own the car, therefore you have the absolute right to say how it is used and by whom. If you decide to just leave it 'cos you think it may be worth some money to you one day, who could object. Who could force you morally to make it available to someone who wanted it?
There, is that debatable?

**BrunoRepublic** · November 14th, 2002, 07:36 PM

I was going to write another long rant about how just because something is acceptable doesn't mean it is right, but...

I realized that you're only trying to get me all riled up. You just love seeing people get all emotional; there is no other rational explanation for your behaviour.

**Outsider** · November 14th, 2002, 07:37 PM

Originally Written by QUINNY

You can't possibly miss what you've never had. Do me a favour and grow up. To put another spin on it that's cliche ridden You want your cake and to eat it? Do me a favour and grow up.

Who, me? The thing you seem to be missing is that I know about many artists (specifically obscure ones) but have no means of hearing them these days (or not heard enough to decide on an album purchase). I can't afford to buy albums sight-unseen (or shall I say hear-unheard), and I usually listen to at least three songs from any album to decide if it's worth buying or no if I'm not already familiar with the artist in question. It has nothing to so with "having my cake and eating it too". So I hope you understand where I'm coming from. :evil:

**Bernie** · November 14th, 2002, 07:41 PM

Quinny,

Let's put a stop to demeaning statements like "grow up"... I'm not going to tolerate that kind of behaviour on the forums. Show some respect to your fellow members and discuss the issues only, or I will start deleting your messages.

**Ricardo_Mata** · November 14th, 2002, 08:22 PM

Bernie: How comes you don't tolerate Quinny's comment asking people to "grow up" but you do tolerate and actually seem to encourage much more offensive comments made by others in other topics? I understand this is your site and you can run it any way you choose but it sure would be nice to see everybody being treated equally.

Maybe this time I will get an answer from you... or maybe I'll get banned!

**QUINNY** · November 15th, 2002, 03:20 AM

Bernie: So Funky can demean the whole record industry, use terrible language and that's OK?
Graham: No I don't sit here trying to get you riled. I thought we were having a debate.

**Funky Dude** · November 15th, 2002, 08:18 AM

I know my my comments and use of coarse language is over offensive but when I'm really really angry, this is what's gonna come out of my mouth. It's really difficult to discover new music that I like without listening to sound samples or downloading. When I go to markets, dumps etc... to buy my records, I have to pick wisely because I don't know whether a record will sound good or crap. I've even missed good disco albums in the past because I didn't know if they're disco or not because I had no knowledge of what the songs were like. I have to rely on guesswork by seeing if the band members have got afros to assume the album is disco/funk. And sometimes I get lousy albums when using guesswork eg. I bought this Phoebe Snow album, because she had an afro I assumed she was disco but when I listened to it, it was nothing but very boring slow love songs so I sent this album spinning like a frisby STRAIGHT to the Salvos.

Anyhow enough of myself repeating my boring crap and getting to the point. Bernie has made it a rule that we are allowed to use coarse language as long as it's not directed at members of the board and those money-hungry corporates aren't members of the board. The reason why Bernie had a gripe about Quinny telling members of this board to grow up is because it's directed at members of the board. If I directed my coarse language at members of this board then Bernie will go off at me and delete my posts.

I personally think Bernie should delete this whole topic because I've obviously started a flame war with my rage against these corporates using the foulest language, it's my fault. So Bernie, do us all a favour and delete this topic please.

**disco1999** · November 15th, 2002, 09:20 AM

Sorry guys for changing the topics :roll:

"StreamLoad" appears to be a nice MyPlay replacement whenever you want to upload samples to share, they allow up to 100megs.

**NickNack** · November 15th, 2002, 09:47 AM

I was really into what was going on between Graham and Quinny until it took a personal dive.

Quinny: FunkyDude ranting, screaming and cursing at the record industry is nothing like you taking potshots at members on the forum because they disagree with you. Bernie hasn't asked any of us to watch our language or not to say rude things on the board. What he did ask was:

NO RELIGION
NO POLITICS
NO PERSONAL INSULTS BETWEEN MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.

What is so difficult about adhering to those simple guidelines? Telling someone to "grow up" as part of your debate is not very "adult", is it?

So, once again, what was an interesting topic is shut off by nonsensical behavior.

**markydefad** · November 15th, 2002, 10:39 AM

Funky Dude,

On behalf of all Phoebe Snow fans, I DEMAND an apology for your unkind words. Phoebe is a good woman and an excellent singer and if she'd been more conventionally attractive, she'd have had a bigger career. OK, I feel better now.

Never mind.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, I'm just goofing around. You can use Phoebe's "Poetry Man" LP as a frisbee if you want. Seriously, though, I do likes me some Phoebe Snow. :D

**Outsider** · November 16th, 2002, 08:29 AM

File sharing has always been a touchy subject on this message board. Obviously we're not all going to agree on it, but we do have to respect each other's opinions. Maybe posts on this subject should not be allowed because of all the fighting it causes. That's just a thought. :evil:

**nrgbeat** · November 16th, 2002, 11:42 AM

I can't see how downloading hurts the music industry with older recordings.

If I find an old 12" single at a flea market, Salvation Army center or even a used record shop, I'm sure the artists and producers aren't going to get a penny for that record. What difference does it make if I download the song?

**Nano** · November 16th, 2002, 01:25 PM

Nrg, don't bother with that argument: according to Quinny buying used vinyl is also a bad thing precisely because of that (I read it in another topic :o )
There's some sense in what Quinny and others in the past have said about this. The problem with the "royalty" argument is that any royalty, if paid, wouldn't get to the artists anyway. They don't own their masters; labels do. So if even Claudia Barry or Candi Staton wanted to release their own songs on an independent label, they have to buy their masters back to the labels. Well, all this just doesn't sound fair to me!
People with more fame and power like Frank Zappa had realised this and did buy their masters back (sometimes having to sue the labels for them to put material for sale!) Prince also claimed this and, vanity or not, he was right too. You can say "they should have thought better when they signed" and yes, it's true. That doesn't take off the feeling that they've been cheated!
I don't see any problem in these "discarded" artists try to get themselves marketable by any other medium, even if it's free download. But the labels won't let them. So, there are issues other than "I want to rip off the music industry" involved here. Maybe that's more interesting than discussing our right to download or go to an used records store.