Reply With QuoteAnd there's me thinking it was the break in Apache - Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band
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I've read the following in The New York TImes and now I'm most interested in this particular cut of his .
Anyone have anything to say about it ??
NY TIMESMr. Brown’s innovations reverberated through the soul and rhythm-and-blues of the 1970s and the hip-hop of the next three decades. The beat of a 1970 instrumental “Funky Drummer” may well be the most widely sampled rhythm in hip-hop.
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And there's me thinking it was the break in Apache - Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band
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I'm not exactly sure what you're asking...if you just want to hear a piece of the track, you can hear it on Tower Records' web site after you cue up Brown's album "In the Jungle Groove." But when you hear it you do INDEED recognize it as being sampled on countless rap records. Old James Brown and old P Funk records are among the most sampled sounds in music history, the main difference being the original sounds were part of fully formed songs played by live musicians. And one last point: I'd enjoy knowing which of James Brown's recordings have Gregg Diamond on drums....Originally Written by remicks
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If you check out a lot of the dance/pop music from the late 80s/early 90s, a lot of artists were also sampling Funky Drummer. Do you guys remember tracks like Fine Young Cannibals 'I'm Not The Man I Used To Be' (i think that was the title); or that cover of 'Strawberry Fields Forever' (some trippy British group, if I recall correctly). I think JB's lawyers (or most likely Polydor's lawyers) put a stop to the sampling, which is why you hardly hear a song use it from mid 90s onward.
P Funk was sampled a lot by the West Coast rappers, and guys like De La Soul and Digital Underground, but it was James' tracks that were completely mined for sampled. I think a lot of it had to do with the way he mixed his music. The P Funk stuff used a lot of effects, like heavy echo, and contained a lot of instrumentation, whereas the James Brown stuff was very raw sounding. Plus, James Brown's choice of chords was pretty basic, so you could layer a bunch of JB songs and they would sound musically clean. The P Funk stuff was more musically complex, so it probably worked best when whole chunks were sampled.Old James Brown and old P Funk records are among the most sampled sounds in music history, the main difference being the original sounds were part of fully formed songs played by live musicians. And one last point: I'd enjoy knowing which of James Brown's recordings have Gregg Diamond on drums....
The I'd say the early Kool & The Gang stuff (pre-1976) has been sampled more than the Parliament Funkadelic stuff (If you consider Parliament and Funkadelic as separate entities).
As for Gregg Diamond being on drums, I think would have been sometime in the late 70s. I know in the early to mid 70s, he stuck with his regular drummers, like John 'Jabo' Starks, John Morgan, and Melvin Parker. Occasionally, there were guest drummers, like Allan Schwartzberg on Funky President, and those session musicians used by David Matthews on some of the early 70s recordings like People Get Up And Drive That Funky Soul and Down And Out In New York City (James Madison was the drummer used on the David Matthews recordings).
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I should add that another James Brown produced track was a huge sampler's favorite during the same period: Hot Pants (I'm Coming) by Bobby Byrd. But the version that was being sampled wasn't the original mix. It was a stripped down bootleg mix released by Urban records in the 80s. It was sampled by everyone from rap to house:
Hot Pants (bonus beat)
I would love to hear it on a CD, but I don't think Universal wants anyone sampling James' stuff anymore. That may be why all the CDs released since the late 80s have included a lot of mono mixes of his big tracks that were singles. If you listen to that 1976 Hits record, you'll hear what I mean - perfect stereo mixes of tracks like Get On The Good Foot, Make It Funky, Soul Power, even Cold Sweat, which were all put out as mono mixes on CD on those James Brown Foundations of Funk compilations. It's really annoying that the full stereo separation of the tracks cannot be appreciated because the money grubbing record companies want to punish the few people who sampled JB's work. If it wasn't for sampling, I don't think James would be as huge as he is today. He'd be respected, but I think his audience today would be mainly older folks. It was sampling that put him on the map for the younger generation, including myself. Sampling has resurrected the careers of many long forgotten artists, like the very obscure Skull Snaps, but this rant is a digression...
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James Brown Funky Drummer
Melvin BLiss Substitution
Honey Drippers Impeach The president
Are the 3 top sampled track that comes to mind.
Esther Williams Last nigh changed it all (the Snare was ampled on Eric B & Rakims Move the crowd and their sample was sampled on alot of mid90s RnB)
Lynn Collins Think
Bongo band Apache
The Clap on Parlaments Theme from black Hole was also heavily used (think Digital underground Humptys dance)
James Brown Escapeism The snare was used alot in the New jack sound.
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Agreed on the above. For the longest time I thought that Black Hole/Digital Underground clap was used on Cypress Hill's Phunky Feel One, but they actually sample the vocals in the intro to Isley Bros Fight The Power. I don't know if Naughty By Nature used the same source for their Uptown Anthem.
It's too bad a lot of those top sampled tracks have yet to see the light of day on CD. Synthetic Substitution was only released on some obscure 45 back in the day.
Add to your list 'Its A New Day' by Skull Snaps and 'Hihache' by The Lafayette Afro Rock Band. Also, 'I'm Chief Kamanawanalea' by The Turtles and 'You're Getting A Little Too Smart' by The Detroit Emeralds.
My favorite sampled beat that took so bloody long to figure out was the one used by Black Sheep on Have UNE Pull and the Supercat's Hip Hop Remix for Ghetto Red Hot - The Soil I Till For You by Shades of Brown. That track is strange because it's like Doo Wop with a funky drum beat. Not really a funky track, but that intro drum is off the hook. I also love the drums in the intro to Manzel's 'Midnight Theme'.
I also noticed that Fuz & Da Boog by Fuzzy Haskins has been sampled a lot, not just on rap tracks, but even on something as 'out there' as a TV commercial.
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I thought the Amen break was the most widely used sample in music.
Amen break - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Its possible. It certainly is one of the most versatile breaks in that it sounds good sampled at its regular speed or at half its speed/pitch.
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Thanks for the suggestion OSF ......
I went there , but look :
In The Jungle (+1 Bonus Track)
James Brown Format: Compact Disc (4988005339348)
Release Date: Aug 12, 2003
Label: Universal/Polydor
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Title Sample (30 sec) DISC 1 1.It's A New Day / James Brown 2.Funky Drummer / James Brown 3.Give It Up Or Turnit A Loose (Remix) / James Brown 4.I Got To Move (Previously Unreleased) / James Brown 5.Funky Drummer (Bonus Beat Reprise) / James Brown 6.Talkin' Loud & Sayin' Nothing (Remix) / James Brown 7.Get Up, Get Into It And Get Involved (Mono) / James Brown 8.Soul Power (Re-Edit) (Mono) / James Brown 9.Hot Pants (She Got To Use What She Got To Get What She Wants) / James Brown 10.Blind Man Can See It (Extended/Previously Unreleased) (Bonus Track) / James Brown
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found it !! :icon_exclaim:
and I love it
Amazon.com: In the Jungle Groove: Music: James Brown
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Here are the TOP 5 James Brown sampled songs:
5. (Tie.)
“Blow Your Head” – From Fred Wesley & The J.B.’s Damn I Right I Am Somebody
& “The Grunt” – From The J.B.’s Food For Thought(Polydor, 1972)4.
- Times Sampled (according to The-Breaks.com): 33 each
- Overall Rank on Top 20 ‘Most-Sampled’ List: N/A
“Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved” – From In The Jungle Groove(Polydor, 1985) (Originally issued as a single in 1970)3.
- Times Sampled: 59
- Overall Rank: #12
“The Payback” – From The Payback(Polydor, 1974)2.
- Overall Rank: #9
- Times Sampled: 6
“Funky President (People It’s Bad)” – From Reality (Polydor, 1975)1.
- Times Sampled: 100
- Overall Rank: #5
“Funky Drummer” – From In The Jungle Groove(Polydor, 1985) (Originally issued as a single in 1969)
"Number one by far. And, I can say with certainty that the 182 records listed on The-Breaks.com are only the tip of a very large, wide and deep iceberg. Remember, The-Breaks lists only verifiable samples and nearly all of them are from the world of hip-hop. But like the ‘Amen’ break, the break from “Funky Drummer” has become ubiquitous enough that it is no longer always thought of as an actual sample..."
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When you wrote your original post, I didn't realize you hadn't actually heard The Funky Drummer. Where have you been?!!! By the way, there are several different mixes on CD. There is a mix on the Star Time box which features a tambourine and percussionistic vocals ("cha cha" or something like that), which is essentially the original 45 mix; there is a mix on the Instrumentals boxset which has the tambourine; and then there's the In The Jungle Groove mix. The Star Time mix is a shorter version, whereas the Instrumentals and In The Jungle Groove versions are the full length tracks. The only problem with those two latter mixes - the outro drum break where Clyde Stubblefield goes mental with the rolls is faded out before the last snare hit. The fourth mix, which is my favourite, is found on the 1st volume of The Breaks, which was compiled by DJ Pogo. The mix is similar to the Jungle Groove mix, except that the outro drum is at the same, high volume level right up to the very end. Bloody awesome!!!*****
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Amazon.com: In the Jungle Groove: Music: James Brown
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When you say there are these several mixes .... original mixes of James Brown's from back then ?? or stuff that's been hankered with since ?
As far as where have I been on this stuff DF .....:icon_rolleyes: I'm still actively learning about the huge volume of work by James Brown .....all I knew of him while growing up was that which made it to TOP 40 AM radio .... so now i'm exploring often being pleasantly surprised along the way ....
...Otherwise , in all honesty I don't much care what's been sampled the most or by whom .... except to maybe then hear the original sources they were stolen from ..... so I can hear them as originallly intended .
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Well, the remixes are faithful to the original recording. The original mix was the 45 only release, and that's the one you hear on the Star Time boxset. Like I mentioned above, it has the tambourine and percussionistic vocals, which kind of work and kind of don't work. The In The Jungle Groove mix was created in '86 by Tim Rogers, I believe, and he dropped off the tambourine and percussionistic vocals. I don't know where the version on the Instrumentals CD came from, or why they did it. It's halfway between the Jungle Groove and original 45 mix as it features a bit of tambourine. And as for The Breaks mix, I don't know if DJ Pogo got access to the master tapes. It certainly doesn't sound like he was slowly turning up the volume as the In The Jungle Groove version faded out at the end.
There's a series of vinyl records called Ultimate Breaks & Beats. You can find them in most DJ record stores. Dusty Groove America, an online retailer, usually sells them. These records started being released in '86 and the last volume was put out in '90 or '91. They were the sources of pretty much most of the samples for the rap recordings released in the late 80s and early 90s. They're worth checking out if you're curious as to what the original sources sounded like. The CD series The Breaks, which I mentioned above, contains a lot of tracks that were on the Ultimate Breaks & Beats series, except they are from cleaner source material.As far as where have I been on this stuff DF .....:icon_rolleyes: I'm still actively learning about the huge volume of work by James Brown .....all I knew of him while growing up was that which made it to TOP 40 AM radio .... so now i'm exploring often being pleasantly surprised along the way ....
...Otherwise , in all honesty I don't much care what's been sampled the most or by whom .... except to maybe then hear the original sources they were stolen from ..... so I can hear them as originallly intended .
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This website is another online retailer that sells 12"s and LPs with breaks and beats. They have audio samples, if you want to check them out:
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Another song that sampled "Funky drummer" the same year that the Fine Young Cannibals was "The Emperor's new clothes" by Sinéad O'Connor in her second album. She plays it a bit slower and it sounds really cool.
Massive Attack used a slooowww-paced sample of "The Payback" as the rhythm base of their huge hit "Protection" (with vocals by Tracey Thorn of Everything But The Girl) in 1994.
Check the Beastie Boys' second album Paul's Boutique (1988), there are plenty of music samples that today would be unpayable, from the violins in Psycho to the Beatles, Kool & The Gang and sure enough there's some JB on there :icon_mrgreen:
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