Towards A Change Of Regime In Venezuela?

[Videoskooter]

Yesterday, 1 Million people have protested against president Chavez in the streets of Caracas and shouted their support for presidential candidate Manuel Rosales for the forthcoming elections on December the 3rd.

They want to end the, what they call, Cuban based communist and totalitarian politics and they also want to prevent Chavez' plan to become president for life.

Chavez himself has already claimed he wants to stay till 2021. The government prevented press-helicopters flying over the capital as they want to censor the impact of the mass demonstration which proves that Chavez is slightly becoming nervous and is starting to step up dictatorial politics.

Although analists don't think that he will be defeated this time, they are predicting that the Castro-copycat is loosing his grip and will be removed in the near future.

[Boodikka]

"Although analists..."
Ah, Video...your mind is always in the gutter .

I'm not a fan of Chavez (although the cheap gas is a PR coup). I don't think anyone else will be allowed to win in Venezuela, if you catch my drift.

[paul]

Well, I remain a huge fan and supporter of President Chavez. Given what I've read about this man and the challenges he faces from the various power structures within and outside Venezuala's, his resolve is admirable.
I wish him and ALL the people of Venezuela the best!

[paul]

Also,
below is an excerpt and link to an interview. Independent journalist Greg Palast interviews President Chavez.

"Politically, Venezuela is torn in two. Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution," a close replica of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal-a progressive income tax, public works, social security, cheap electricity -- makes him wildly popular with the poor. And most Venezuelans are poor. His critics, a four-centuries' old white elite, unused to sharing oil wealth, portray him as a Castro- hugging anti-Christ."

ZNet |Venezuela | Hugo Chavez

[Nano]

Although analists don't think that he will be defeated this time, they are predicting that the Castro-copycat is loosing his grip and will be removed in the near future.

Don't you wish!

[Mixmachine]

Also,
below is an excerpt and link to an interview. Independent journalist Greg Palast interviews President Chavez.

"Politically, Venezuela is torn in two. Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution," a close replica of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal-a progressive income tax, public works, social security, cheap electricity -- makes him wildly popular with the poor. And most Venezuelans are poor. His critics, a four-centuries' old white elite, unused to sharing oil wealth, portray him as a Castro- hugging anti-Christ."

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol: Close to Roosevelt's??? :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol: There is one ignorant leftist born everyday , that's for sure :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol: poor useful fools :icon_lol::icon_lol:

Is funny how now this modern leftists failures don't want to be associated any longer with the failures of the past (Castro) now they want to compare themselves to Roosevelt :icon_lol::icon_lol: Hillarious!!!!

Apparently Chavez (or who ever wrote that quote) thinks all peoples of the world are as ignorant and defenseless as the exploited subjugated recipients of his dictatorial ways. Think again fools!!!!

"Despite Chávez's billions toward social programs, poverty, joblessness and problems with the healthcare system continue to dog Venezuela. Drug trafficking is on the rise, and graft has almost turned into a sport. Transparency International, a European watchdog group, said this month that Venezuela is the second most-corrupt nation in this hemisphere, behind Haiti. Crime is consistently ranked as one of Venezuelans' top concerns."

MiamiHerald.com | 11/26/2006 | Win would push Chávez closer to socialist dream

I'm afraid Venezuelans are stuck with this disguised dictator unless they remove him by force, ( they need another Pinochet!!) already he controls all institutions of power and shuts down any news media that criticizes his government under a new law his cronies enacted.


In many Job centers (I.E. oil industry) if you don’t vote and/or support Chavez you’ll be terminated and kicked out in the streets, (captured on under covered film/audio) this is directly taken from a Castro’s play book.

Chavistas corrupt Leftists cronies are destroying that country and enriching them selves in the process, pretty soon there will be nothing left , and then they’ll move to Cuba to enjoy the fruit of their labor and watch from a distance the destruction they left behind..

[paul]

Mix, how nice it is to get reaquainted with you on these topics.
The Roosevelt comparison is a fair comparison. I read the your link from the Miami Herald and many of the policies attributed to Chavez would compared favorably to what FDR did.
If he was a dictator, why would he even allow an election? As for the media outlets, from what I remember reading about this, he more or less instituted a fairness doctrine there to allow for equal time. The media there supported his attempted overthrow and were a constant source of anti-Chavez propaganda. They can still do it but now they have to allow opposition voices! If there are any Venezualans here or those closer to this, please feel free add or change this.
As for corruption and drugs, Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm sure Chavez wants that gone without resorting to well, dictatorial measures!
The rest of your rhetoric sounds Karl Rovian. If they don't elect the other guy they'd be unemployed and kick out in the streets. Kinda like if you don't elect Bush and the rest of the repugs we'll be fightin' Al Qeada in our backyards! :icon_eek:

[Mixmachine]

[quote=paul;110643]Mix, how nice it is to get reaquainted with you on these topics.

If he was a dictator, why would he even allow an election?

Castro also allows elections, only He's the only candidate and if you oppose his views your are either shot dead or thrown in jail.

As for the media outlets, from what I remember reading about this, he more or less instituted a fairness doctrine there to allow for equal time. The media there supported his attempted overthrow and were a constant source of anti-Chavez propaganda. They can still do it but now they have to allow opposition voices! If there are any Venezualans here or those closer to this, please feel free add or change this.

By definition anything the opposition (any where) says or prints will be anti- government, that's why they are called the opposition! if the 'Government' enacts any laws that says that printing or broadcasting any anti-government comments is not permitted for what ever reason, then in essence you are silencing the opposition and guarantying your re-election, See how that logic works ??? :icon_eek::icon_rolleyes:Oh , Wait!!! , you are a Leftist and therefore have no sense or logic!! Never mind :icon_rolleyes:didn't mean to confuse you to badly

The rest of your rhetoric sounds Karl Rovian. If they don't elect the other guy they'd be unemployed and kick out in the streets. Kinda like if you don't elect Bush and the rest of the repugs we'll be fightin' Al Qeada in our backyards! :icon_eek:

Really? that’s your analogy???? Lame !! , Just one point, we are fighting Al qeda in our backyards, remember???

The Miami Herald had an article on how Chavez pressures and buys off the population to vote for him, smuggled videos of the head of the Oil Industry with Department heads threatening anyone not in line with Chavez were played in local stations.

Didn't you see this?? But of course not, the liberal/Leftist Media here in America don't want to stab a good comrade in the back.

This tactics are all taken from Castro's Play book, for instance when you see large demonstrations in Cuba most participants are coerced to be there, events are planned with precision and workers are given the day off and marched into Buses, if you don't have a good excuse not to attend then you are black-listed and denied any benefits like a Refrigerator, cooking pot, promotions, a raise, new housing etc, (oil money in Venezuela) or worse fired as a suspected anti-revolutionary and sentenced to roam the streets to make a living in the Black Market as the government controls all the Jobs.

Sounds familiar ???



MiamiHerald.com | 11/26/2006 | Opposition rally draws thousands in Caracas

MiamiHerald.com | 11/25/2006 | S. Florida groups unite in drive to oust Chávez

[paul]

Yah but there is still functioning opposition media in Venezuala. I am not aware of any law in Venezuala prohibiting anti-government comments.
As for the Castro analogy, Chavez should have jailed or shot his opposition by now. I know you'd like that wouldn't chya :icon_cool:
I read both links. The first one about the millions who showed up is suspect IMHO. Supposedly the media was not allowed to film this? Sure.:icon_rolleyes: If memory serves me correctly, it was millions upon millions of Venezualans that poured out into the streets, demanding the return of their President during the attemted coup. Had it not been for them, Chavez may have just disappeared! I don't think Chavez fears the people, even his opposition given his popularity.
The second article IMHO shows 2 things. First the assholes in FL had no problems before Chavez when 95 percent of the population struggled while they controlled the nation's wealth. That's what they call democracy. They can go pound sand as far as I'm concerned. Secondly, I noted this from the link written by a Venezualan journalist.

''When there's not an election, everyone agrees that Chávez is very popular, but every time an election comes, they say he's down in the polls,'' said local Venezuelan journalist Carlos Matamoros, who plans on voting for Chávez. ``He's the only president that I've seen who has done an important social work, with important efforts to help the poor.''

[Mixmachine]

Yah but there is still functioning opposition media in Venezuala. I am not aware of any law in Venezuala prohibiting anti-government comments.

Well, I remain a huge fan and supporter of President Chavez.

Here !!, take moment and read this article on how your “HERO” stays in power.

In only a few paragraphs Mr Oppenheimer – the author of this piece is revered as an expert on Latin America- was able to convey the dire situation the Venezuelan people find them selves today under the control of EL YUGO (did you look it up???), Oppenheimer is a respected journalist known around the world, and “ a Miami Herald syndicated columnist and a member of The Miami Herald team that won the 1987 Pulitzer Prize”

Check out his Blog

“Thanks to a combination of massive petrodollar cash subsidies to the poor and one of the most sophisticated government intimidation machines in the hemisphere, I wouldn't be surprised if Chávez wins without a fraudulent vote count.”

“A poll by The Associated Press shows that 59 percent of Venezuelans say they are likely to vote for Chávez……”

“the same poll shows that 57 percent of Venezuelans -- including nearly half of Chávez's supporters -- believe that people may suffer retaliation if they vote against the government.”

from what I remember reading about this, he more or less instituted a fairness doctrine there to allow for equal time

“In addition to controlling the National Electoral Council and the Supreme Court and having a Congress with no opposition legislators, the government has limited Rosales to two minutes a day of advertising per television station, while Chávez has been allowed to continue his six-hour weekend show..”

“What's worse, Chávez has set up the biggest electronic intimidation apparatus in the hemisphere…”

“Their names were given by pro-government election authorities to a pro-Chávez legislator, who put it on his website. Since publication of the so-called ''Maisanta list,'' thousands of people on the list have been laid off from their jobs, asked to wait months for a passport or denied access to government services.” (where did I hear this before ???), HMMMMMMM:icon_lol:

“Also, many Venezuelans fear that the country's electronic voting system -- which includes fingerprinting machines -- allows the government to know how they vote.”



MiamiHerald.com | 11/30/2006 | Tainted win awaits Chávez

[Mixmachine]

Here Paul!!This is another eye opening article from Gustavo Coronel, a former member of the Board of Petroleos de Venezuela and former Venezuela diplomat.

MiamiHerald.com | 11/30/2006 | Chávez's corruption, unfulfilled promises

PS: I can't quote this article now without registering on the Miami Herald page, which I refuse to do, maybe I'll do it tomorrow when the restriction expires
I want to make sure every one here gets the accurate picture of who Paul considers his "HERO" and therefore understand why He's nothing but a Leftist "Useful fool" and mouth piece
:icon_lol::icon_lol:

[DiscoMan]

Paul you really are a self absorbed commie windbag...:icon_razz:

Hey Bernie; what about that word "a*****e"? Or do we only ban people who take pointed shots at your liberal democRat icons?

[paul]

Paul you really are a self absorbed commie windbag...:icon_razz:

Hey Bernie; what about that word "a*****e"? Or do we only ban people who take pointed shots at your liberal democRat icons?

Is that the best you can offer?

[paul]

A useful fool, a commie windbag? I guess I'm having a bad day:icon_eek:
Is Chavez threatening his neighbors or other nations? Did Chavez preemtively strike another nation? Is Chavez taking oil money to enrich himself and his ilk? Nowhere did these critics offer any solutions to Venezualuan problems other that they want Chavez out! At least one guy believes Chavez will win legitimately.
I've heard differntly about the voting machine there but I don't think it change opinions.
Anyone really wanting to know the facts can look up Chavez's successes and failures and draw their own conclusion. From where I sit, I and many more including the people of Venezula beleive this man did a good job overall!

[Mixmachine]

A useful fool, a commie windbag? I guess I'm having a bad day:icon_eek:

I think you are having a bad day since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the total collapse of the Communist bloc.

Is Chavez threatening his neighbors or other nations?

Yes, He's purchasing disproportionate amounts of arm from Russia, Spain and others, supports leftist Terrorist groups in Columbia, and threatened to interfere in Bolivia if the resent internal unrest escalated and theaten Evo's presidency, Brazil, Chile and others in the region promptly warn against this, or else...

Did Chavez preemtively strike another nation?

He doesn't have to deal with Islamo Fascist terrorist within his borders, instead He supports them, with close ties to Iran, claims 9/11 was a hoax (like you) and supports Iran Nukes plans that will be aimed at America and our allies.

Is Chavez taking oil money to enrich himself and his ilk?

Apparently you didn't read my links , the answer is there, The US hasn't taken a penny in oil from Iraq, I wish we did!!!!! Look it UP!!!!!

Nowhere did these critics offer any solutions to Venezuelan problems other that they want Chavez out!

Doesn't this sound familiar ???? :icon_lol::icon_lol:Isn't this same tactic the one you Leftist Liberals use here in USA during the last elections?? That tactic never bother you before , but now you object to the opposition using it in Venezuela. :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes::icon_lol:Don't they have a word for people that think this way??? Hmmmmm

At least one guy believes Chavez will win legitimately.
I've heard differently about the voting machine there but I don't think it change opinions.

I guess that guy must be you!!!! But tell me, Who's opinion you think carries more weight?? That of a long respected Latin American expert and author, one awarded a Pulitzer price for excellence in Journalism, or that of the self serving leftist radicals you use for information?

[Videoskooter]

Instead of replying to this excellent analysis by Mixmachine, Paul has quickly decided to publish his Yugo-bull in another thread.

Too much facts are simply too painful for the guy who wants to move the Israëlis to Texas and wants to change the USA in a communist and state-controlled country.

Too bad, Paulie has never lived under a communist or leftist regime as many of my family did (Poland, DDR, Romania).

If he had he wouldn't promote that kind of inhuman sh*t doctrines here!

Paul is a typical example of a guy who visits leftist think-thanks, brabbles with great "intellectual" minds at the local pub. Then drives home in his American sportscar to HIS house, opens a six-pack and starts to write here that we all are criminals because we have properties.

On questions if he would share his wage with the poor or to allow his boss to hire foreign workers (immigrants), he of course stays very vague.

I see his ilk passing by on our daily Belgian news. One after another Socialist is arrested for fraud, stealing taxmoney, bribery and it usually are the ones that shout: "The hell with those dirty capitalists, give the people the power, let the workers unite and overthrow the rightist governments.

Paul would have been big in the USSR, driving his Zil-limousine, living in his private landhouse, eating and drinking everything he wants while the common Russian struggled for life in this oh-so-great-political-doctrine.

He's right on 1 thing though: almost everybody was poor and needy BITD, they were all equal.

Massive rise of unemployment, crime, drug traffic in Venezuela: Paulie doesn't care, Paulie doesn't want to hear about it, Paulie says it's all OK. Paulie is a salon.communist. Safe and comfortable in his cozy sofa, changing the world from his lounge (whilst profiting all the benefits the American economy offers).

You won't see him on the barricades though!

Paulie supports: Yugo Chavez, "Madmuftis" Ahmadinnejad and Khamenei of Iran, Kim Jung Il of North-Korea, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, Al Aqsa-Brigades from Palestinia and Lebanon, Jihad, and has even written some understanding words on Bin Laden.

Paulie supports all the great friends of the USA:icon_twisted:

[paul]

LOL...:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Paulie is still laughing.

[paul]

Ok, Paulie is done laughing, now I can gather my thoughts.

Instead of replying to this excellent analysis by Mixmachine, Paul has quickly decided to publish his Yugo-bull in another thread.
Point taken. In my opinion however, the assertions appeared circular.
Perhaps you have some points you would like to discuss!

Too much facts are simply too painful for the guy who wants to move the Israëlis to Texas and wants to change the USA in a communist and state-controlled country.
My Israeli solution, while logistically difficult is superior IMHO to the day after day carnage, pettiness, reprisals with no end in sight!

Too bad, Paulie has never lived under a communist or leftist regime as many of my family did (Poland, DDR, Romania).

If he had he wouldn't promote that kind of inhuman sh*t doctrines here!
Does reading count!?

Paul is a typical example of a guy who visits leftist think-thanks, brabbles with great "intellectual" minds at the local pub. Then drives home in his American sportscar to HIS house, opens a six-pack and starts to write here that we all are criminals because we have properties.
No, not because you have property, Because you want ALL THE PROPERTY while the other 99% eek out a meager existence living in squalor.

On questions if he would share his wage with the poor or to allow his boss to hire foreign workers (immigrants), he of course stays very vague.

I see his ilk passing by on our daily Belgian news. One after another Socialist is arrested for fraud, stealing taxmoney, bribery and it usually are the ones that shout: "The hell with those dirty capitalists, give the people the power, let the workers unite and overthrow the rightist governments.

Paul would have been big in the USSR, driving his Zil-limousine, living in his private landhouse, eating and drinking everything he wants while the common Russian struggled for life in this oh-so-great-political-doctrine.

He's right on 1 thing though: almost everybody was poor and needy BITD, they were all equal.

Massive rise of unemployment, crime, drug traffic in Venezuela: Paulie doesn't care, Paulie doesn't want to hear about it, Paulie says it's all OK. Paulie is a salon.communist. Safe and comfortable in his cozy sofa, changing the world from his lounge (whilst profiting all the benefits the American economy offers).
Apparently a majority of Venezualans and I are of the same mind.

You won't see him on the barricades though!

Paulie supports: Yugo Chavez, "Madmuftis" Ahmadinnejad and Khamenei of Iran, Kim Jung Il of North-Korea, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, Al Aqsa-Brigades from Palestinia and Lebanon, Jihad, and has even written some understanding words on Bin Laden.

Paulie supports all the great friends of the USA:icon_twisted:
I'm insulted :icon_cool: You neglected to include Al Qeida, The Taliban, and Castro,

[Videoskooter]

Ok, Paulie is done laughing, now I can gather my thoughts.

Instead of replying to this excellent analysis by Mixmachine, Paul has quickly decided to publish his Yugo-bull in another thread.
Point taken. In my opinion however, the assertions appeared circular.
Perhaps you have some points you would like to discuss! We have, but you always spin them and actually we get tired of it!

Too much facts are simply too painful for the guy who wants to move the Israëlis to Texas and wants to change the USA in a communist and state-controlled country.
My Israeli solution, while logistically difficult is superior IMHO to the day after day carnage, pettiness, reprisals with no end in sight!

Too much Mary Jane in your brain perhaps????

Too bad, Paulie has never lived under a communist or leftist regime as many of my family did (Poland, DDR, Romania).

If he had he wouldn't promote that kind of inhuman sh*t doctrines here!
Does reading count!?

So, all your ideas come out of books???? You ARE a salon.communist! I have my info from REAL people who LIVED under that regime.

Paul is a typical example of a guy who visits leftist think-thanks, brabbles with great "intellectual" minds at the local pub. Then drives home in his American sportscar to HIS house, opens a six-pack and starts to write here that we all are criminals because we have properties.
No, not because you have property, Because you want ALL THE PROPERTY while the other 99% eek out a meager existence living in squalor.

That's QUINNY-BULL and you know it. I don't want 99%. That's the typical Marxistic fascism-nonsense you are trying to spread over this board! You can do much better Paulie, you are slightly becoming a cartoon!


On questions if he would share his wage with the poor or to allow his boss to hire foreign workers (immigrants), he of course stays very vague.

I see his ilk passing by on our daily Belgian news. One after another Socialist is arrested for fraud, stealing taxmoney, bribery and it usually are the ones that shout: "The hell with those dirty capitalists, give the people the power, let the workers unite and overthrow the rightist governments.

Paul would have been big in the USSR, driving his Zil-limousine, living in his private landhouse, eating and drinking everything he wants while the common Russian struggled for life in this oh-so-great-political-doctrine.

He's right on 1 thing though: almost everybody was poor and needy BITD, they were all equal.

Massive rise of unemployment, crime, drug traffic in Venezuela: Paulie doesn't care, Paulie doesn't want to hear about it, Paulie says it's all OK. Paulie is a salon.communist. Safe and comfortable in his cozy sofa, changing the world from his lounge (whilst profiting all the benefits the American economy offers).
Apparently a majority of Venezualans and I are of the same mind.

Again, no mentioning of the threats Chavistas are exercising on THE people. Paulie AND the Venezuelans. Come down to earth my friend. People who read your posts may get the impression that you are a revolutiony leader :icon_mrgreen:

You won't see him on the barricades though!

Paulie supports: Yugo Chavez, "Madmuftis" Ahmadinnejad and Khamenei of Iran, Kim Jung Il of North-Korea, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, Al Aqsa-Brigades from Palestinia and Lebanon, Jihad, and has even written some understanding words on Bin Laden.

Paulie supports all the great friends of the USA:icon_twisted:
I'm insulted :icon_cool: You neglected to include Al Qeida, The Taliban, and Castro,

Luckily you still live in a democracy. In all the countries of your HEROES your head would already be chopped of :icon_mrgreen:

Can we still post? Do you have time to read it or are you to busy with state-affairs? :icon_mrgreen: BTW, I always forget to ask! Paulie, what's your political title? Congressman, Senator, Secretary, Head Of State??? Or do you wish to stay ingognito :icon_mrgreen:

[paul]

Tsk, tsk. A little angry are we? And umm what did Quinny have to do with this?
The points made so far were/are easily discredited as evidenced by the fact that I rarely if ever see any supporting arguments for the points given. Rants and opinions are fine as we all have them but that's all they are.
Ultimately, the free elections are what really matters. 2/3 of Venezuala's population clearly see things differently from the picture you paint. In fact looking at central and South America, they see it differently as well. Some of these nations had experiences with both sides of the political spectrum and have now decided to go left, ie Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua!
As for my political title, I'm merely a member of the unwashed masses. I have no special or elite political connection.
Why do conservatives hate the common man /woman? Why is it so important to retain every single dime in the economy while leaving the other 90 odd percent to grovel? I find this sort of inhumanity detestable!

[Videoskooter]

Tsk, tsk. A little angry are we? And umm what did Quinny have to do with this?

Angry about politics? Never! It's not worth it :icon_mrgreen: Quinny always make such attacks on me. He must think that I am a Tycoon :icon_mrgreen:


The points made so far were/are easily discredited as evidenced by the fact that I rarely if ever see any supporting arguments for the points given. Rants and opinions are fine as we all have them but that's all they are.
Ultimately, the free elections are what really matters. 2/3 of Venezuala's population clearly see things differently from the picture you paint. In fact looking at central and South America, they see it differently as well. Some of these nations had experiences with both sides of the political spectrum and have now decided to go left, ie Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua!

You'll never hear me say that the rightist South-American leaders did a great job!! But I look through populists like YUGO (and it may come as a surprise but even our European leftist leaders don't like him). You know people like him always start with good intentions, do something good for the people and then become blinded by power and end up being ruthless dictators!

As for my political title, I'm merely a member of the unwashed masses. I have no special or elite political connection.
Why do conservatives hate the common man /woman?

Isn't that too easy? I'm a conservative and I absolutely don't hate the common man. I'm one myself! BTW, one of Belgium's great leftist leaders once said and I quote: "We have to decide for the people because they don't have the intellectual capacities to manage their lives. They depend on an elite like us to survive." The man is still big in the Socialist movement!

Why is it so important to retain every single dime in the economy while leaving the other 90 odd percent to grovel? I find this sort of inhumanity detestable!

How many yachts do you need to water-ski??? That's a fact! Why does a moviestar needs 10 houses? You are right about that one but you are so wrong if you think that communism is the answer! History has proved that already!

[paul]

I never said communism was the answer, though you guys frequently use it on me. No problem :icon_cool:
I have said before that I favor a mixed economy and system of capitalism and socialism. Most every succesfull nation on the globe uses a combination of these two ideologies to varying degrees.

[paul]

Who said this?

"We have to decide for the people because they don't have the intellectual capacities to manage their lives. They depend on an elite like us to survive."

[Videoskooter]

The current president of the Belgian Socialist Movement.

[Videoskooter]

I never said communism was the answer, though you guys frequently use it on me. No problem :icon_cool:
I have said before that I favor a mixed economy and system of capitalism and socialism. Most every succesfull nation on the globe uses a combination of these two ideologies to varying degrees.

Paul, you are not a liberal, you are not a socialist. The views you publish here are Marxist. If you do not agree on this, then maybe you should choose your words more carefully.

Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here you'll find Paul's doctrine, read 'em carefully:

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Principles of Communism

Nuff Said :icon_mrgreen: