Early Presidential Poll 2008

[Videoskooter]

Well, after last week's small victory of the Democrats, do you think they gonna take the White House in 2008?

Personally, I doubt it. They won't fulfill the high expectations and people are soon gonna find out how divided they are on many subjects.

My early prediction for the Presidency 2008:REPUBLICAN

President: Jeb Bush

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Vice-President: Condoleezza Rice

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[eddie]

No way is it going to be another Bush. The conservatives and the Republicans won't allow it. I think this notion of nepotism has already created a backlash against those relevant candidates (ie Tom Kean JR. in the New Jersey Senate race). I think it will work against Hilary Clinton as well as many others.

I think a true Washington outsider will take ticket spots for both parties. If not, a third party candidate will appear very strong just because its anit-establishment.

The Reform party has lost its tax-payer funded matching dollars because it hasn't received enough of the vote. So that election fund box some people check off on their income taxes will only go to Democrats and Republicans. It will not fund any other party except for those despots.

Honestly, I hope Pat Buchanan takes the Presidency.

[paul]

I don't think this country will vote for another bush for president (not that they did either time). The bitter taste of fascism from the bush crime family will remain for many years to come.
Pat eddie? I'll admit he is closer to old school repubs but still?

[Bernie]

I am not a Bush fan or a Republican, but I would certainly approve of Rudolph Gulliani for president if he decides to run. I worked in New York City for years and saw first hand the good he did for that city not to mention his hands on approach to the 911 tragedy, which is the way George Bush should have done it.

[paul]

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie mi amigo. Is Boodi gonna have to take you across her lap and spank ya? :icon_lol:
Rudy loves the Bush policy in Iraq. He said as much during the convention speech in '04. If you want stay the course in Iraq, Rudy is one of those guys!
Also, isn't Rudy the guy that had his mistress staying with him in the same house as the wife and kids. Ballsy but come on! Show the wife a little respect

[Bernie]

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie mi amigo. Is Boodi gonna have to take you across her lap and spank ya? :icon_lol:
Rudy loves the Bush policy in Iraq. He said as much during the convention speech in '04. If you want stay the course in Iraq, Rudy is one of those guys!
Also, isn't Rudy the guy that had his mistress staying with him in the same house as the wife and kids. Ballsy but come on! Show the wife a little respect

She may have to

You do have a valid point about Iraq, but I have to judge the man more on what he has actually done for New York. I also realize that there will never be the perfect candidate so I'll simply pick and choose from both parties.

[Videoskooter]

Quick question! I included the Green party, but are they still in business??

Rudy Giuliani could be the right pick also. I respect the man, I don't care what he's doing in his private life and Iraq is not the only issue nowadays. A lot of Demos also supported the invasion so let's be serious here!

BTW, Paulie, I got a phonecall from Karl Rove, he wanted your coördinates! He says you are one of the best promotors of the Republican party on this site.

He litterally said: "That guy is so over the top that we can use him!" "We love his idea of moving the Jews to Texas" "He's our Borat" "We're gonna be huge with this guy!!!"

Well done :icon_biggrin:

[paul]

Short of the Dems picking Hillary or Obama for president, Rudy would be perfect for the Dems. Rudy has enough negatives on him that assuming the religious and social conservatives let him win the primaries, the Dems can make them national issues.
After the ass-kicking the repubs took, are there any repubs left that will take advice from Karl. Regardless, the fact that I would be hated by rethugs pleases me no end :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool:
By the way, it didn't take long for the little truce and recognition of the state of Israel to end. Gee, how did I know.:icon_cool: I guess the endless wars between Israel and whomever is far superior to establishing an Israeli state in south east Texas.

[paul]

Oh, the Green Party is still alive, probably more so than any other 3rd party here. That said, their role is extremely small. I believe there may some serving some state and city offices in different parts of the country.

[Nano]

Last night I happened to see PRIMARY, a 1960 documentary film about said election for the presidential candidate of the Democrat Party: Hubert Humphrey vs. JFK. I saw the film for "movie history" reasons (a landmark in the doc genre, etc.) but couldn't help thinking "man, were these people naive in their campaigning!" Even the Kennedys, which were bringing their then-modern, mass media style to the election.

Just to see these people traveling the roads of Wisconsin in simple cars or small vans, shaking everybody's hand in the street... It was a different era, really.

BTW, Jackie was a doll

[markydefad]

Videoskooter,

Do you really think America can stomach any more Bush family spawn in the White House???? The damage the current one has caused to this country and our reputation around the world will take decades to undo, IMHO. :icon_evil::icon_evil::icon_evil: :icon_mad::icon_mad::icon_mad:

My candidate would have been Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold--who actually voted against the war and actually stayed true to his feelings--but he's decided not to run for some reason. A truly honorable man. I wish he would change his mind. :icon_cry::icon_cry::icon_cry:

[remicks]

Well, after last week's small victory of the Democrats ......

Don't think of it as a small victory for the Dems , Skoot :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes:




.......think of it as a HUGE DEFEATfor the repugs !!! :icon_razz::icon_razz::icon_razz::icon_razz:


*****

[Videoskooter]

Guys, like they say: "1 week is a long time in Politics". I won't give up Ol' Jeb already.

The worst scenario: Al-Quaeda is gearing up to hit hard (according to various secret service reports). Let's all pray it won't happen, but if...than things in Washington can change very quickly. If the Demos soften the war on terror and something nasty does come up, than they will be in BIG trouble.

Repeat: I hope it WON't happen again!!!!!

[paul]

Videoskooter,

Do you really think America can stomach any more Bush family spawn in the White House???? The damage the current one has caused to this country and our reputation around the world will take decades to undo, IMHO. :icon_evil::icon_evil::icon_evil: :icon_mad::icon_mad::icon_mad:

My candidate would have been Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold--who actually voted against the war and actually stayed true to his feelings--but he's decided not to run for some reason. A truly honorable man. I wish he would change his mind. :icon_cry::icon_cry::icon_cry:

Marky, I am so with you. I just wonder if the party king makers told him not this time. :icon_cry:

[paul]

Guys, like they say: "1 week is a long time in Politics". I won't give up Ol' Jeb already.

The worst scenario: Al-Quaeda is gearing up to hit hard (according to various secret service reports). Let's all pray it won't happen, but if...than things in Washington can change very quickly. If the Demos soften the war on terror and something nasty does come up, than they will be in BIG trouble.

Repeat: I hope it WON't happen again!!!!!

Well, long before we, I mean Dems took over, Cheney was telling us Al-Quaeda will strike us any time. It is their policy that has made this nation more vulnerable!

[Videoskooter]

Is it? Then why was the first hit on the WTC during Clinton's reign?????

Don't underestimate Bin Laden and his cohorts, don't think that Palestinia is the main cause of their battle. It's just an excuse. They want to establish a worldwide Islamofascist government. And Jimmy Carter won't stop them you know.

As we are speaking, highly trained men are leaving the AQ-trainingcamps to go on a mission (reports by various European secret services). Their plan is to hit during the forthcoming holiday season. And it won't be by using peanutbutter!

I agree on 1 thing: get the troops out of Iraq and get them into the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. There they will find what they are looking for!

[paul]

Yep, it happened shortly after Clinton got in. I don't know if Clinton received any warnings but after that incident Clinton pursued it the way I believe it is best dealt with, as a criminal matter. Those responsible were caught and brought to justice.
As for making the nation more vulnerable, our actions in Iraq has done 2 things. Ii has fueled Al Qaeda recruitment.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Al-Qaeda 'spurred on' by Iraq war

Secondly, Iraq has become a training ground Al Qaeda which was not the case prior to bush's invasion.

Iraq New Terror Breeding Ground (washingtonpost.com)

[Videoskooter]

And before that, AQ was in Afghanistan, long before the American troops invaded that country.

Paul, your arguments simply don't make sense. You're trapping yourself over and over again.

BTW, this is serious: Europe has freedom of speech too. I showed your posts on the Jewish people and the Texas-move to my German lawyer.

Here's the newz: according to German law you can be brought to court for inciting hatred. According to German law, you can be tried in Germany, even as an American citizen.

Comment from my lawyer: "OMG, that guy defends the constitution?, that guy is a defender of human rights?????"

[paul]

What's not to understand? I'm not concoting these. Did you notice the sources?
Trapped, ummm...ohhhkay :icon_rolleyes:
Anyway, to advocate for solutions that will end the never ending war and place the Jewish people next to their closest ally is a hate speech. Supporting continued wars with neighboring enemies, supporting short-lived ridulous truces, and passing this on to future generations is a good thing?
Yes I am a defender of human rights and that concept you presented is absolutely ridiculous!

[paul]

By the way, I'm curious. What German law am I violating?

[Videoskooter]

that concept you presented is absolutely ridiculous!

What concept Paul? The only utter ridiculous concept I've ever read here was your plan to move the Israelis to Texas. You still find that a valuable alternative?

Nuff said

Which law you are breaking? Many. Targeting one ethnical race to be moved entirely from it's habitat (ethnical purification). Blaming one ethnical race for all the troubles that exist in the Middle East is another offense. That's racism and in this case antisemitism. I know you will categorically deny this but it won't change a damn thing. You've said it and thus there's proof of it!

Never criticising the Iranian government for repeatly calling the Arab countries to destroy and whipe out Israel. That's not an offense but it won't help your case either.

And BTW my liberal friend, I would like to see the day when one of your so beloved and admired liberal politicians puts the dismantling of the Israëli state on the political agenda. Then we'll see what's gonna happen!

And another BTW, if the US is such a "Neonazi" state, how come that after all the straight bull you published here, your insulting of the President, the government, your ass is still free???? Or are you posting from a highly secured prison???

But hey, don't hold back now, in fact I would even appreciate if you would harden your views much much more. Keep publishing your thoughts, as many as you like.

You are a great help :icon_twisted:

(BTW 3: I'm certainly not planning to drag you into court. It was simply a way of putting clear that in all your so-called-defending-human-rights, some of your solutions are not so clean themselves!)

[paul]

What concept Paul? The only utter ridiculous concept I've ever read here was your plan to move the Israelis to Texas. You still find that a valuable alternative? I don't see it as worse than the current situation now. Israel and her enemies are filled with hatred for each other. Like kids, you gotta separate combative irrational kids from each other. In the ~60 years of the creation of this illegitimate state, there has been nothing but wars. Do you have a better plan?

Nuff said

Which law you are breaking? Many. Targeting one ethnical race to be moved entirely from it's habitat (ethnical purification). That's highly debatable since many Israelis are european and use the bible to claim legitamacy. Blaming one ethnical race for all the troubles that exist in the Middle East is another offense. I didn't, though most of the problems in the region stem from the existence of the state of Israel. One would have to have blinders on not to see that. That's racism and in this case antisemitism. The way you frame it, it certainly would be anti-Israel at least and anti-Jewish at worst. I am opposed to Israel in it's current location because I do not support taking land from indigenous peoples based on unfounded religious claims. I have trouble with the over used term anti-semitism. Arabs are semetic peoples as well in the same biblical context. Also, it seems the moment one is critical of anything Israeli/Jewish, you are "anti-semetic."
I know you will categorically deny this but it won't change a damn thing. You've said it and thus there's proof of it! I'm not retreating from anything I said!

Never criticising the Iranian government for repeatly calling the Arab countries to destroy and whipe out Israel. That's not an offense but it won't help your case either.I don't feel the need to inject Iran or any other country in the debate if I have a critique about Israel. I don't do it to my country, the US or my place of birth, Jamaica. Right is right and wrong is wrong and it needn't be qualified. In a way you proved my point about Iraeli criticism though. It seems it must be done with caveats or conditions.

And BTW my liberal friend, I would like to see the day when one of your so beloved and admired liberal politicians puts the dismantling of the Israëli state on the political agenda. Then we'll see what's gonna happen! That wont happen anytime soon. AIPAC, the second most powerful lobby in DC has a grip on both parties. When Howard Dean merely suggested we (the US) would be better served as negotiators if we had took an even-handed approach in the middle east, both parties came down like a hammer on him. Nancy Pelosi even floated a statement in congress denouncing his statement and essentially saying that Israel's positions come first.

And another BTW, if the US is such a "Neonazi" state, how come that after all the straight bull you published here, your insulting of the President, the government, your ass is still free???? Or are you posting from a highly secured prison??? Don't infer that the neo-nazis I speak of represents the entire nation. I often if not always apply this to the republicans. Once again, this is not a kingdom or a dictatorship as much as bush and his minions would like it to be. Clearly based on the recent vote, this nation did not like the path of these neo-nazis headed by the Bush Crime Family.
Are you hoping they arrest me Johan?

But hey, don't hold back now, in fact I would even appreciate if you would harden your views much much more. Keep publishing your thoughts, as many as you like.

You are a great help :icon_twisted: It's called exercising our civic duties as not only Americans but human beings. Perhaps it's a liberal thing because by nature, conservatism believe in maintaining the status quo. Liberals believe in the onward march and progressivity of mankind. Did you read and listen to the Kennedy speech I posted? You my friend are benefitting right now from liberal causes that have improved your life. Left up to conservatives we would still be in an era of feudal lords and serfs!

(BTW 3: I'm certainly not planning to drag you into court. It was simply a way of putting clear that in all your so-called-defending-human-rights, some of your solutions are not so clean themselves!)I wasn't really concerned that you would. I was merly curious what sort of German statute would have been written based on what you asserted. Quite frankly I don't believe a court much less a prosecutor would find a case!

[Videoskooter]

Are you hoping they arrest me Johan?

Hell no, it would be the end of me posting in this subforum

(BTW 3:I wasn't really concerned that you would. I was merely curious what sort of German statute would have been written based on what you asserted. Quite frankly I don't believe a court much less a prosecutor would find a case!

Yes, if somebody filed a complaint against you, the case would be opened. Even in Belgium. In fact, in Germany they are now opening a case on your good friend Donny Rumsfeld, so you see it's possible! I have the complete article of law here, but it's written in German and I realise that the only German word you know is "Spritzenstück")



Concerning Israël, I won't give in. They have the right to live there, period!!! If Iran or any other country makes the first move on Israël then they should be teached a painful lesson! You see, even my dear friend Nanz is with me on this one!

And if the Al-Quaeda morons take the Vatican out, as they're planning to, let's make a move on Mecca. No Mercy!

Religion is such a great thing!

[paul]

So Johan, would this guy also legal action in Belgium or Germany?

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Art...323661,00.html

[Videoskooter]

Paulie, absolutely! And so will this girl for coming completely unnecessary in this thread!

Sue her :icon_evil: