Who Started The Tune?? Who Ripped Who???

**Jimmy-Michaels** · October 27th, 2002, 05:55 AM

OK,
I think I posted this topic a looooooong time ago but since there is no one left here from back then (I dont think?) Ill post it and see what everyone's oppinion is. Now, Cerrone's classic track "Supernature" can be mixed with many tracks by playing with the pitch cause there are many tracks with the exact same tune, now the question, who wrote it?? Here is a list off the top of my head that carry this same tune:

Carry On Turn Me On - Space
Ooh La La - Suzi Lane/Giorgio Moroder
One Of A Kind - Donna Summer
Beauty And The Beast - Alec R Costandinos
Like An Eagle - Dennis Parker
Living On Love - Cerrone (yea i know same artist, had to list it)
Night Train - Steve Winwood (we all know Cerrone borrowed "Gimme Some Lovin", could this have been in responce??lol)
Accidental Lover - Alec R Costandinos (very fast BPM but same tune)

well??? what does everyone think? Also, I may add, Cerrone copyed himself with "Look For Love" and "Call Me Tonight", you can overlap the verses from "Look For Love" over the instrumental sections in "Call Me Tonight" and it goes over like its the missing vocal track. But thats off subject..lol, just thought id add that.

DJ Jimmy M

**SandraDee** · October 27th, 2002, 08:18 AM

Interesting thread. I'm always spotting what similarities there are with certain tracks as nothing's original is it? I've just listened to the Space & Suzi Lane tracks & I agree with you that there are similarities.
I have another track that rips off Cerrone's Supernature & that's 'Human Nature' by Gino Soccio from 1984. Even a friend of mine commented on this & he's not into the music like I am!

**SandraDee** · October 27th, 2002, 08:48 AM

& talking of similarites/rip-offs, there's a part of the orchestration on Peter Jacques Band's 'Fire Night Dance' that reminds me of Cerrone's 'Love in C Minor' too.

**martinus** · October 28th, 2002, 11:33 AM

Another similarity:
Macho:"I'm a man" is a rip off from Kongas:"Africanism/Gimme some loving". The bass breaks in the middle and the the horn section sound very indentical.

**BrunoRepublic** · October 28th, 2002, 11:42 AM

How about the two dozen or so top 10 hits from the last couple of years that all use the exact same chord progression?

Although nobody can claim that they're being ripped off, because the same fellow wrote them all (Max Martin).

Isn't corporate radio great?

**sutnop** · October 28th, 2002, 11:47 AM

Oh yeah
The annoying Swede
from the headquarters of evil The Cherion Studio in Stockholm....

:yuck:

**BrunoRepublic** · October 28th, 2002, 11:56 AM

On 2002-10-27 06:55, DJ Jimmy M wrote:
OK,
I think I posted this topic a looooooong time ago but since there is no one left here from back then (I dont think?) Ill post it and see what everyone's oppinion is. Now, Cerrone's classic track "Supernature" can be mixed with many tracks by playing with the pitch cause there are many tracks with the exact same tune, now the question, who wrote it?? Here is a list off the top of my head that carry this same tune:

Like An Eagle - Dennis Parker

The only real similarity that I hear with these two is that they both use a bass line that alternates every two bars with a fundamental shifted one fifth below the main key.

This is as old as the hills, and you could list thousands of songs that do this; I don't think that really qualifies them as having "the same tune".

You will find much greater similarties between thousands of pop songs from the 50s onwards, thousands of which use the same I - IV - V chord structure. Practically every single rock n roll song from the 50s uses the standard 12-bar blues format. Given that, I think it's unfair to say that a whole bunch of disco tracks are "rip offs" because they have the same root note in their basslines.

There are only twelve notes in the western tuning system... and if you're going to limit yourself to 4/4 rhythms, basic major/minor chords, and easy-to-sing-along-to melodies, well... sooner rather than later, you're going to run into the same basic patterns and melodies over and over again.

The problem is, doing things that are different usually means doing them in a method that is unaccessible to the masses... I mean, how many Mahavishnu Orchestra pieces can you hum along to?

There are a few examples of artists that have successfully drawn outside the lines, such as Abba, Rush, Supertramp... but even here this is usually done only minimally on their big hits.

Given that 99% of all dance music is in 4/4 time, and you want to do something catchy, most folks stick to the basics and try to throw a hook in here or there. Patrick Adams liked to use odd time signatures, but this didn't always work (witness the chorus to "Glide" by Musique). Rinder & Lewis used some very odd chord progressions in many of their tracks, yet some people would still consider them "fluffy". Another really odd track that sticks out to me is "Sun... Sun... Sun..." which breaks a whole bunch of rules.