Cerrone - Revelacion

[littlemartin]

Just got the Cerrone by Bob Sinclair Sampler vol.2 and there is an incredible track called "Revelacion" on it. Problem is that it is 3 minutes long and it cuts off just as it gets going. Does anyone know if this was on an older LP or 12" unedited?

[sirius]

Hope that the answer is not too late a bit.

I found at home a record called:

REVELACION"The House Of The Rising Sun"



1)THE HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN + REVELACION

SUITE(I enjoy more the SantaEsmeralda-

Version)

2)CROCOS DANCE PART 1

3)CROCOS DANCE PART 2

4)TIME FOR LOVE

It´s produced by CERRONE and arranged by

DON RAY. Released in Dec.1977.



Cosmic Love & Kisses From Sirius & Dark Tunes

[sempaug]

Hi. The song "The house of Rising Song" was produced and performed by Cerrone as "Tevelation" (not "Revelation"). Tevelation was a "studio band" which recorded on "malligator records" (A Cerrone Label) in 1978. There was another Cerrone's production called "Revelation", released the following year, but it's a different story. The arranger was Don Ray (alias Raymond Donnez), the same performer who arranged Please dont'let me be misanderstood of Santa Esmeralda. The same year Santa Esmeralda produced a own version of "The house of Rising sun". What happened? I don't know. On the b side of The house of rising sun of Tevelation you can find a instrumental version of "Time for Love" (included in Cerrone's Paradise, 1977) and the song "Croco's dance", released, the same year in an instrumental version as "The birds of malligator". Cerrone is an incredible producer: he printed one disco a week. For more information, send me a message. Olaf.

[littlemartin]

Many, many thanks to both of you. I actually went and purchased the mix CD of Cerrone by Bob Sinclair in addition to the vinyl release in the hope that there was a longer version of Revelacion. There wasn't but I am not disappointed. The whole CD is amazing and incredibly well done. If you like House and Disco like I do, I highly recommend it. Anyway, in the liner notes, although they are very vague, it suggests that Revelacion was from an unreleased or extremely limited release LP. I went on GEMM and did a search and came across a copy of the House of the rising sun 12", which contains a track called Revelacion. I ordered it and have not received it yet, so I do not know yet if it's what I'm looking for or when it was released. I do know that one of the reasons I loved Revelacion is because it reminds me of Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood/ Esmeralda Suite. I have not heard the Santa Esmeralda "House of The Rising Sun", but now I will certainly be looking for it. I also did not know that Don Ray was involved in "Don't let me be misunderstood", it's all starting to make sense now. Much respect to Bob Sinclair for keeping this music alive and bringing it to a new audience. The standout track if you love House and Disco, is the Liquid People remix of "Love is the answer". They took one loop from the original and turned it into such a beautiful new song. I will post again if I ever receive the 12" I ordered. Again, many thanks to both of you.

[littlemartin]

Hi, I just received my copy from Germany and the first reply was correct. It is "House of the Rising Sun" (LP) by Revelacion, not Tevelacion. Regardless, the Bob Sinclair/ Cerrone song "Revelacion" is actually an edited down version of this 16 minutes 10 seconds track, minus the vocal, which is exactly what I was looking for. A Cerrone production, arrangements by Don Ray. I still haven't heard Santa Esmeralda's version. I will look for it. I imagine it is very similar to this (this is VERY "don't let me be misunderstood"). Maybe it's even exactly the same! I picked this copy up for $12 including shipping from Germany on GEMM. I think I saw a couple of other copies on there, highly recommended.

[littlemartin]

OK, I'm listening to Santa Esmeralda's version and they are very similar. I'd even say the vocalist is the same (vocals on the Revelacion are by L.Rich), don't have the Santa Esmeralda sleeve to compare. There is a point around 11 min. 30 secs. that is almost identical (if not the same as) to Revelacion (handclaps, guitars etc.) I think I prefer the Revelacion as it is longer (no jokes please) and less "Rock-y". Definitely worth owning both though. It also re-affirms what a genius Bob Sinclair is, the sections of the original that he choose for the new edit is indeed inspired work. Many thanks to everyone for their attention and help.

[Mixmachine]

My copy was released on Crocos records(337-702), red cover with soulful dancers art work (similar to Marvin Gaye’s LP?) side one “The house of rising sun + Revelation suite (16:10) , side two - Crocos dance I and II and “time for love”, I think the “r” on the cover could be confused for a “T” but the spine clearly says Revelation. this is the first time I spin this record in probably 20+ years! Good stuff!

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[The Lord of Flatbush]

This re-edit was properly done!



Three minutes was short, sweet and straight to the point. I'm quite curious to find the original version just to hear the vocals.



As an avid, disco fan, I'm certain the original version would be well accepted and a great, find indeed.

[Jimmy-Michaels]

The story of Revelacion and Santa Esmeralda is very simmalar to Cerrone and Alec R Costandinos. Esmeralda's version was released as a payback to Cerrone for ripping Leroy Gomez(of Esmeralda) off. The same way Cerrone ripped Costandinos for Love In C Minor. I am a Cerrone fan, but I must say, he had problems giving people credit in the begining. Costandinos did his cracks at him with Love And Kisses and Sphinx, modeling songs that sounded like C Minor to prove it was him all along(and he did more than prove it). Esmeralda's "Dont Let Me Be Misunderstood" was Leroy's crack at Cerrone making the song follow the same pattern as Revelation's House(proving it was him, playing them at the same time it clashes and almost causes the wah wah effect as if it was the same record on the other turntable). Costandinos got the best payback in Paris Connection's "You Lost That Loving Feeling Suite" by smack in the middle doing 2 bars of C Minor in a different key instrumentally(if you listen carefully you can hear him breath heavy and very pissed off like when this section starts). Back to Revelacion, I did a mixed tape where I started the first 18 min. out doing a medley of "House.." by Revelacion, "..Misunderstood" by Esmeralda and "House.." by Esmeralda and they all sound like it's not a mix but recorded by the same group(just on Esmeralda'a "House.." it's Jimmy Goings on vocals). This was Leroy Gomez on vocals on the Revelation album and was not credited to him(which started the whole musical war). Just wanted to inform on what in fact this Revelacion was and how Cerrone was(in the beginning) the starter of a few musical WWF type matches(LOL).

Jimmy M

[The Lord of Flatbush]

On 2002-04-09 02:50, DJ Jimmy M wrote:
The story of Revelacion and Santa Esmeralda is very simmalar to Cerrone and Alec R Costandinos. Esmeralda's version was released as a payback to Cerrone for ripping Leroy Gomez(of Esmeralda) off. The same way Cerrone ripped Costandinos for Love In C Minor. I am a Cerrone fan, but I must say, he had problems giving people credit in the begining. Costandinos did his cracks at him with Love And Kisses and Sphinx, modeling songs that sounded like C Minor to prove it was him all along(and he did more than prove it). Esmeralda's "Dont Let Me Be Misunderstood" was Leroy's crack at Cerrone making the song follow the same pattern as Revelation's House(proving it was him, playing them at the same time it clashes and almost causes the wah wah effect as if it was the same record on the other turntable). Costandinos got the best payback in Paris Connection's "You Lost That Loving Feeling Suite" by smack in the middle doing 2 bars of C Minor in a different key instrumentally(if you listen carefully you can hear him breath heavy and very pissed off like when this section starts). Back to Revelacion, I did a mixed tape where I started the first 18 min. out doing a medley of "House.." by Revelacion, "..Misunderstood" by Esmeralda and "House.." by Esmeralda and they all sound like it's not a mix but recorded by the same group(just on Esmeralda'a "House.." it's Jimmy Goings on vocals). This was Leroy Gomez on vocals on the Revelation album and was not credited to him(which started the whole musical war). Just wanted to inform on what in fact this Revelacion was and how Cerrone was(in the beginning) the starter of a few musical WWF type matches(LOL).

Jimmy M

That was an interesting story. I never knew there was a beef among those producers.

[Chala]

Amazing stuff Jimmy is that true? Its to great of a story to even question, thanks!

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

Amazing stuff Jimmy is that true? Its to great of a story to even question, thanks!

Sound the Alarm!
Stopping this thread from raising it's ugly head, once again.:icon_twisted:

Chala, NONE of that is true! Absolutely, positively NOT true!

DJ JIMMY M's post was the catalyst for my joining this site, as it was such a phenomenal fabrication of imaginary events.

For starters, Santa Esmerelda's version was recorded and released about 6 months PRIOR to the Revelation version. (NOT the other way around, which is the basis for that "story".) And Leroy Gomez wasn't even involved in the release. He was working with Simon Soussan by then.

The Santa Esmerelda vocalist was Jimmy Goings. And the Revelation vocalist, L. Rich, had been working with (and continued to...) Cerrone for years.

The only thing that ties these tracks together are the Arrangers, Jean-Claude Petit and Don Ray. The following is a post from the thread "Don Ray..Is he given enough credit?" It explains the tracks' similarities.

Although the most infamous LPs state they're arranged by Don Ray, remember that he is, primarily, a string & horn arranger. He, along with J.C. Petit, R. Khnenetsky and R. Jimenez were orchestrally duplicating a "sound" created by Alec. As well as imitating eachother. Hence, the insane similarity between Don Ray's arrangement of "House of The Rising Sun", and J. C. Petit' arrangement of the same, for Santa Esmerelda. (Oh yeah... The reason Don Ray didn't arrange the 2nd Santa Esmeralda LP, in the summer of '77, is because he was too busy with "Sumeria", the "Supernature" LP and "Romeo & Juliet", ALL at the same time. No other reason. Believe no rumours to the contrary.) And, for the record, Don Ray's production is simply better than J.C. Petit's. J.C. Petit was, obviously, brought in to knock-off the arrangement on the previous hit "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood". (Anyone knows that it was the latin-french disco fusion arrangement, not necessarily the vocals, that made that a world-wide hit) And he did so, perfectly! But Don Ray's horns, strings and percussion were more original in his interpretation for Revelation, at he end of that same year. Even if the track was, essentially the same. Honestly, Santa Esmerelda's version tanked. And Cerrone jumped on the idea, by backing another production, with Don Ray. Wherein he showed that he's better at doing "Don Ray", than anyone else. No great drama here. Just the music business, as usual. Lastly, L. Rich's vocals (backed by the birds of paris) are simply better than Jimmy Goings'.

[Chala]

Sound the Alarm!
Stopping this thread from raising it's ugly head, once again.:icon_twisted:

Chala, NONE of that is true! Absolutely, positively NOT true!

DJ JIMMY M's post was the catalyst for my joining this site, as it was such a phenomenal fabrication of imaginary events.

For starters, Santa Esmerelda's version was recorded and released about 6 months PRIOR to the Revelation version. (NOT the other way around, which is the basis for that "story".) And Leroy Gomez wasn't even involved in the release. He was working with Simon Soussan by then.

The Santa Esmerelda vocalist was Jimmy Goings. And the Revelation vocalist, L. Rich, had been working with (and continued to...) Cerrone for years.

The only thing that ties these tracks together are the Arrangers, Jean-Claude Petit and Don Ray. The following is a post from the thread "Don Ray..Is he given enough credit?" It explains the tracks' similarities.

Wow Stephen, you sound credible I am not sure whom to believe. I mean I was not in the business back then (1978,1979) I was just a guy who bought the albums, danced to them and enjoyed the music thoroughly.

Maybe the people who make claims on various threads should include there credentials and or sources. I believe you Steven you seem credible and passionate about this but would I be crossing the line in asking how do you come about this information?

I love this forum and the threads people post on here it's like sound (Disco) never left thanks for your input Steven.

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

Maybe the people who make claims on various threads should include there credentials and or sources. I believe you Steven you seem credible and passionate about this but would I be crossing the line in asking how do you come about this information?

:icon_lol: Not at all!
In regards to this particular thread; just flip over the LP covers and read the credits. Everything I've stated is there. And use some common sense...

All the men involved in the afore mentioned projects, had been successfully involved in European Pop Music for +/- a decade, prior to Disco coming of age. Do you really think they used their fame and fortunes to enable them to regress into sophomoric teenage girls, acting-out some multi-million dollar bitch-fight?

[Chala]

. Do you really think they used their fame and fortunes to enable them to regress into sophomoric teenage girls, acting-out some multi-million dollar bitch-fight?

I wouldn't think so, but i have seen worse from wealthy grown ass men. I don't have those LP's to check, i am just trying to find out whats real here. But I will just ask, what are your credentials? Are you just a huge fan of Disco like myself, or are/were you more involved in the industry?

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

But I will just ask, what are your credentials? Are you just a huge fan of Disco like myself, or are/were you more involved in the industry?

They're here:
DiscoMusic.com

here:
http://www.discomusic.com/forums/mem...l-freeman.html

and here:
Stephen L. Freeman - DiscoMusic.com

I do understand your suspicions as to what's true, and what's not. There's so much mis-information, on the internet. Especially, when the facts are so deeply buried. Or just not available.

It's VERY frustrating for guys like me, and some of the Senior Members of the site, when a newcomer wants to know the details, or what it was really like, etc... Because we have to bounce around de-bunking all the rumour crap that clogs the threads. And, as I think the old saying goes, "If enough people say it, it must be true." Right now, there's a new member of the site who's posting piles and piles of gross mis-information. <sigh> (the poor schmo' can't even spell "vinyl" correctly) It's hard not to look like the Disco Police, but I get sooo pissed-off when I read garbage from overactive imaginations, or fuzzy, vodka-laced, drug-daze memories posted as fact, with nothing concrete to back them up.

As you wander through the site you'll see who has their knowledge intact. Some in very distinct areas of the genre, and some on a more general level. Posts from people like Jussik, Videoscooter, GrahamStuart, Dayna, SandraDee, dancer5612004, Markydefad and yes...dare I say 'QUINNY', ;o) will be based upon, or followed-up by, factual knowledge and/or truelife experience.

They may be DRIPPING in personal opinion and sarcasm! (LOL!) But they WILL be accurate, in their facts!
There's a lot to learn, here. Even I (GASP!) have learned things I didn't know. And have had my personal recollections jostled back, closer to the truth. And I was crowned "The Disco Queen Mum" back at Hot Tracks (A title that I never expected to "stick" on a global level. But, <sigh> it did.), but I'm not infallible.

So, read between the lines and put your own google search to work, to find the answers, if you doubt what you're reading.

[Chala]

Hi, I just received my copy from Germany and the first reply was correct. It is "House of the Rising Sun" (LP) by Revelacion, not Tevelacion. Regardless, the Bob Sinclair/ Cerrone song "Revelacion" is actually an edited down version of this 16 minutes 10 seconds track, minus the vocal, which is exactly what I was looking for. A Cerrone production, arrangements by Don Ray. I still haven't heard Santa Esmeralda's version. I will look for it. I imagine it is very similar to this (this is VERY "don't let me be misunderstood"). Maybe it's even exactly the same! I picked this copy up for $12 including shipping from Germany on GEMM. I think I saw a couple of other copies on there, highly recommended.

According to Gemm.com their also is a 16 minute 10 second track of "House of the rising sun" on crocos records that is a Cerrone Production. Question, does Cerrone have a 16:10 minute long version? If not, how long is Cerrones edited version? I heard Cerrones version "Revelacion" it's the best out of all of them in my view. That guitar/string solo is amazing. I found a 2:59 version of Cerrones "Revelacion" but it's way shorter then the Cerrone version i heard, can someone help me please?

[Chala]

They're here:
DiscoMusic.com

here:
http://www.discomusic.com/forums/mem...l-freeman.html

and here:
Stephen L. Freeman - DiscoMusic.com

I do understand your suspicions as to what's true, and what's not. There's so much mis-information, on the internet. Especially, when the facts are so deeply buried. Or just not available.

It's VERY frustrating for guys like me, and some of the Senior Members of the site, when a newcomer wants to know the details, or what it was really like, etc... Because we have to bounce around de-bunking all the rumour crap that clogs the threads. And, as I think the old saying goes, "If enough people say it, it must be true." Right now, there's a new member of the site who's posting piles and piles of gross mis-information. <sigh> (the poor schmo' can't even spell "vinyl" correctly) It's hard not to look like the Disco Police, but I get sooo pissed-off when I read garbage from overactive imaginations, or fuzzy, vodka-laced, drug-daze memories posted as fact, with nothing concrete to back them up.

As you wander through the site you'll see who has their knowledge intact. Some in very distinct areas of the genre, and some on a more general level. Posts from people like Jussik, Videoscooter, GrahamStuart, Dayna, SandraDee, dancer5612004, Markydefad and yes...dare I say 'QUINNY', ;o) will be based upon, or followed-up by, factual knowledge and/or truelife experience.

They may be DRIPPING in personal opinion and sarcasm! (LOL!) But they WILL be accurate, in their facts!
There's a lot to learn, here. Even I (GASP!) have learned things I didn't know. And have had my personal recollections jostled back, closer to the truth. And I was crowned "The Disco Queen Mum" back at Hot Tracks (A title that I never expected to "stick" on a global level. But, <sigh> it did.), but I'm not infallible.

So, read between the lines and put your own google search to work, to find the answers, if you doubt what you're reading.

I am impressed sir was unaware of your credentials. I apologize. I was wondering can you assit me with this Revelacion info? http://www.discomusic.com/forums/dis...elacion-2.html Thanks.

[Chala]

I am impressed sir was unaware of your credentials. I apologize. I was wondering can you assit me with this Revelacion info? http://www.discomusic.com/forums/dis...elacion-2.html Thanks.

Nevermind got it Revelacion - The House Of The Rising Sun but is it true you were DJing at 16? Did i misunderstand, i read where you manage at a Law firm, so i am assuming your an attorney as well?

Whats the latest with Club Classics weekly broadcast, "Back To Music" and where can i listen to it?

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

Nevermind got it Revelacion - The House Of The Rising Sun but is it true you were DJing at 16? Did i misunderstand, i read where you manage at a Law firm, so i am assuming your an attorney as well?

I'm glad you found the Revelation version. It's really done well! I'd put it up there with Konga's version of "Gimme Some Lovin'", also on Crocos Records.

Although I'd worked summers as a bar-back, at my brother-in-law's bar in Newark NJ, since I was 14 and had been getting into Discos from the age of 15-16, I actually started DJing at 17. The owners thought I was 19.
(see post #14 here: http://www.discomusic.com/forums/gen...tml#post136372 )

And I'm not a Lawyer. I'm the sole Case Manager at one of the most highly regarded Employment Discrimination and Civil Rights Firms in Florida. As well as the US, in general. I oversee and coordinate the daily goings-on for about 300 Cases. I retired from DJing in '97 for a couple reasons. The most compelling being my need to be a 24/7 caretaker for my partner. When he passed, I didn't feel up to playing music, so I got the job, where I'm at now. But I still have a hand in (remixing, producing, etc...), at least one release a year. Just to keep my name, and 'Dis Oui Musique' out there. I'll (hopefully) be Producing another song I wrote and arranged, for release this summer, by Ernest Kohl.

Whats the latest with Club Classics weekly broadcast, "Back To Music" and where can i listen to it?

Originally it was to be on Sirius. But we had problems...:icon_rolleyes:
Then, the whole project got put on-hold, while I was focusing on last March's sports competition.:icon_smile:

I'm gearing back up for the show, and it looks like (for now) it'll end-up being on Live365 Internet Radio - Thousands of Free Online Radio Stations

It's geared towards the club tracks and away from the radio & chart stuff. So former club-dwellers, like myself, can listen to a show without hearing the same songs for a period of a couple months. Play it once, catalogue it and shelve it. It'll also run heavy on imported and Promo-only mixes. And I'm editing, almost every track, to get rid of the mixing elements (long intros, x-long breaks, long mix-outs, etc...) so you get to hear the club versions, without sitting through 96 to 128 mixing beats at the beginning and end of every song. And every song has a story behind it, so I'll be sharing all the inside bits of info I'd been privvy to, over the years.

There's 1000's of dance tracks that never got to the radio. That's what "Back To Music" (name inspired by the original CBS import intro of Theo Vaness' 1st LP) is going to focus on..

"This is the year 2501. Our world is no longer a place where you can dream of the future. Only of the past.
We use our time-machine, now and then, to go back to nature. Back to music..."

[Chala]

[quote]

I'm glad you found the Revelation version. It's really done well! I'd put it up there with Konga's version of "Gimme Some Lovin'", also on Crocos Records.

I have that Kongas LP great stuff indeed!

Although I'd worked summers as a bar-back, at my brother-in-law's bar in Newark NJ, since I was 14 and had been getting into Discos from the age of 15-16, I actually started DJing at 17. The owners thought I was 19.
(see post #14 here: http://www.discomusic.com/forums/gen...tml#post136372 )

Great post you a good story teller, believe your a 1959 baby as myself i think all of us have some interesting storys.

I'm gearing back up for the show, and it looks like (for now) it'll end-up being on Live365 Internet Radio - Thousands of Free Online Radio Stations

I listen to Live365 religously specifically Disco935 New York with "VJC" it's the only station i can find that plays mixes from featured pro's like the great Bobby Viteritti, Lary Sanders etc. Its great stuff!

There's 1000's of dance tracks that never got to the radio. That's what "Back To Music" (name inspired by the original CBS import intro of Theo Vaness' 1st LP) is going to focus on..

Back to Music LP i have to one of my favorites. Do you accept Private Messages?

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

Do you accept Private Messages?

Of course. I'd be happy to hear from you.