Liberal, Conservative, Statist, Libertarian

[paul]

I've received this little quiz a few times now. Guess what...I'm liberal :-o :icon_mrgreen:
Here was my score

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=9&e=3

If you're interested, here's a link to this quick quiz.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

[DiscoMan]

Paul baby...couldn't get the link to work. My test results are "Libertarian".

[paul]

Paul baby...couldn't get the link to work. My test results are "Libertarian".

Oopsi. I fixed it. Thanks

[Bernie]

Just did mine and here is mine (no surprise)... LIBERTARIAN.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%.

[Boodikka]

Interesting. I consider myself a centrist/ left-of-center moderate, but I show up here as a right-of-center Libertarian.
IRL I'm leftist on social issues (pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-animal rights. etc.). I'm an economic moderate (don't believe in throwing money at social issues, just doesn't work). I'm probably left-of-center on foreign policy (can't stand the Blame America First crowd or the jingoistic pinheads). However, on issues such as violent crime, I'm somewhere to the right of Hammurabi.
I'd like to see a really in-depth type of quiz of this type.

[Salsoul1975]

I'm Libertarian. No surprise there. What I am surprised by is how my dot is on the left-hand side, and I don't consider myself a Leftist by any means.

[Videoskooter]

Hi Paul,



Very accurate :o

[markydefad]

I'm a LIBERAL. I'm stunned by this revelation. :o:-P:icon_exclaim:


Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%.

[eddie]

I'm right on the line between statist and right conservative as my 2 biggest political influences are Pat Buchanan and Louis Farakhan.

I'm an extreme social conservative who is against Nafta/Gatt and most 'free' and unbalanced trade. I'm against abortion and gun control under any circumstances. I don't believe their should be public schools because they are a failure. The federal government needs to give vouchers to religious schools and also promote these vouchers as reparations for slavery and dig deep into Democratic backfield. Home schooling should also be encouraged and having both parents in the workforce should be highly discouraged. I also believe in creating a theocracy where religious values are also state values. I'm also a military isolationist and insist on formal apologies to Italy, Afganistan, Iraq, and the continent of Africa.

Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt, and Nixon were protectionists in regards to trade and endorsed policies that favored the the country and auto workers. Todays neo-con Republicans like Bush, favor an open market which leads to outsourcing and a service-only driven economy. However, renewing most favored nation status to China does not supposedly support neo-cons social conservative/pro-Christian stance but they sold out.

However, the issue of gun control on this survey had not cropped up. In Europe, conservatives want gun control and in the US and the Islamic nations, conservatives are strongly against gun control. I also believe in relying less on tradional police forces especially in urban areas. I support the Reverand Al Sharpton's belief that policing is best done but people who live in that municipality exclusively. (ie You must live in New York City to be a cop there.) Minister Louis Farakhan's initiative that allowed the Nation of Islam to patrol their communities would be most effective which is a semi-liberterian anti-fed element.

It gets into another point where this scale is a bit flawed. Can you be statist (fascist specifically) and somewhat liberterian at the same time? Under Mussolini's model, that was the third faction after the social conservatives and workers who believed corporations were caving to foreign interests.

[Videoskooter]

I'm an extreme social conservative who is against Nafta/Gatt and most 'free' and unbalanced trade. I'm against abortion and gun control under any circumstances

I'm also against that global trade nonsense. Uptil now, nothing and I mean nothing has made me change my mind about it. The goal to have a global energy company f.e. is total bull and extremely dangerous. I'm 100% against gun control but I differ on the abortion issue. It is legal IMO when the life of the mother is in danger or when she is raped. In other cases it's a no go!

I don't believe their should be public schools because they are a failure

Absolutely, stateschools are failures. In my country people who want to give their children a good education, send 'em to Catholic schools, and those become more and more successful.

I also believe in creating a theocracy where religious values are also state values

I agree on the values issue but I strongly believe that separation of church and state is the best! Religion is a personal right and a personal choice. And how are you personally going to make the choice between the religion of Buchanan and the one from Farrakhan? In other words, should America be evangelical or islamic????

Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt, and Nixon were protectionists in regards to trade and endorsed policies that favored the the country and auto workers. Todays neo-con Republicans like Bush, favor an open market which leads to outsourcing and a service-only driven economy. However, renewing most favored nation status to China does not supposedly support neo-cons social conservative/pro-Christian stance but they sold out

Agree. That's where I completely disagree with the Bush administration policy

In Europe, conservatives want gun control and in the US and the Islamic nations, conservatives are strongly against gun control. I also believe in relying less on tradional police forces especially in urban areas. Minister Louis Farakhan's initiative that allowed the Nation of Islam to patrol their communities would be most effective which is a semi-liberterian anti-fed element

In Belgium Socialists and Lefties are supporting guncontrol. The conservative parties don't. They belief in the right of self-defense. So do I. Over the last weeks we had the problem here of gangsters that were released after 1/3 of their prison-sentence.

Our leftist leaders seem to forget that their victims are dead or they have to live with the trauma for the rest of their lives. If someone threatens the sanctity of your home or your relatives, you deal with him the hard way. I've done it twice and I'm not proud of it but I don't feel sorry for those hoodlums either. I really don't get the pathetic lefties' idea of considering the criminals as victims of society and a whole lot of Belgians agree with us. That's why our nation is rapidly swifting to the right side. Belgians have enough of the red criminals and their moronic views on society. It didn't work and it will never work. Being a citizen equals having responsibility otherwise you create chaos and disorder

[discokicks]

I'm 100% against gun control but I differ on the abortion issue. It is legal IMO when the life of the mother is in danger or when she is raped. In other cases it's a no go!

Absolutely, stateschools are failures. In my country people who want to give their children a good education, send 'em to Catholic schools, and those become more and more successful.

In Belgium Socialists and Lefties are supporting guncontrol. The conservative parties don't. They belief in the right of self-defense. So do I. Over the last weeks we had the problem here of gangsters that were released after 1/3 of their prison-sentence.

Just trying to add up these ideas of yours VS.....

So what you're saying is that abortion should be totally illegal for those mothers who don't want a child in their life so then they must face the task of raising this unwanted human....and government-run schools shouldn't exist meaning caring parents would take care of the education of their young. One would have to wonder if we can trust the education that a mother of an unwanted child will provide.

And within this scenario, there shouldn't be gun control....every human should have the right to carry a gun....even the unwanted child with little or no education.

So it's wrong to abort an unwanted life but when this child grows up to be a nuisance to society, it will be alright to shoot them.:???:

[Videoskooter]

Just trying to add up these ideas of yours VS.....
So what you're saying is that abortion should be totally illegal for those mothers who don't want a child in their life so then they must face the task of raising this unwanted human....and government-run schools shouldn't exist meaning caring parents would take care of the education of their young. One would have to wonder if we can trust the education that a mother of an unwanted child will provide.

Aren't there ways to prevent women getting pregnant? There's birth-control-pills, there's condoms and other stuff, they do exist you know and I never said I opposed them. So if a man and a woman don't want children it's better they take precautions and then there is no need for an abortion. That's what I'm saying about taking responsability in your life! If you are so against the fact that some people carry a gun, why the f*ck are you promoting the murder of an infant who can not defend it's own life? Total hypocritical bull! The guys I shot were armed (2 Longrifles), threatened my family and their kids. But no, Discokicks, you're right, I should have asked them if they were wanted by their parents.

And if a woman has sex against her will then I call that rape, one of the most disgustings crimes a man can do. Am I clear?. And a woman that chooses not to raise her kid can always regard the possibility of an adoption.

For your point on government-schools: sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say. My point is that (I speak for Belgium you know) the quality of education in those schools is inferior.

And within this scenario, there shouldn't be gun control....every human should have the right to carry a gun....even the unwanted child with little or no education.

So it's wrong to abort an unwanted life but when this child grows up to be a nuisance to society, it will be alright to shoot them.:???:

I said that I'm not against self-defense and I support a controlled possesion of arms (means: registered and after you did a medical, psychological and technical exam, just the way I got my permit). Have you ever been robbed? Has someone ever pointed a gun at your head? Did you ever take a bullet (1 in my shoulder and 1 in my leg)? If not, don't bother, then you don't know what you are talking about!

I don't get what this view has to do with abortion and unwanted children. So what you are saying is: when a criminal appears to be an unwanted child and he commits a crime, he should be pardoned and can not be brought to justice Nice way of organising a society

And why am I attacked and not Eddie who's saying the same? Something personal? Can some members here not stand that there are conservative views on this board? Those are the real fascists, not us!

[Boodikka]

Video, I still love ya, ya pseudo-rightwinger, ya!
Hell, you're a conservative and I don't have you on "Ignore"!:icon_mrgreen:

[Videoskooter]

Hey Boodi, I like everybody on this board, nobody's on my ignore-list :-o

I would miss the best parts :icon_mrgreen:

I'm always ready to discuss but the stuff Discokicks wrote here was just another example of twisting someone's words in an other direction and then ridiculise 'em without giving arguments.

He doesn't speak about the reason why public schools are failures. Then we could have a discussion. He doesn't speak about the cause of a pregnancy. Then we could have a discussion. He doesn't speak about having the right to protect one's own life. Then we could have a discussion.

He doesn't speak about how a society can help "unwanted children" an support them. Then we could have a discussion.

No, he reads a post, thinks "YUK, a conservative" and twists my words in a way he thinks he can score with some other enlighted spirits. He could say why is pro-abortion, pro public-schools and pro gun-control. He could, then we could have a discussion, but no, a hit-and-run is easier.

That's something I just can't stand!

[paul]

I love all the political angles including conservative, even dare I say it Mix's for the purposes of discussion.
Boodi, Johan may be conservative but there is still good in him. :lol:

Marky, I was beginning to wonder if I was the "lone liberal!"

eddie, how long have you been following Minister Farrakhan and the Nation Of Islam?

Mix, ya gonna take the test?

[Videoskooter]

Boodi, Johan may be conservative but there is still good in him

That's why I am a Christian-Democrat and not a member of the extreme-right :evil:

[discokicks]

Aren't there ways to prevent women getting pregnant? There's birth-control-pills, there's condoms and other stuff, they do exist you know and I never said I opposed them. So if a man and a woman don't want children it's better they take precautions and then there is no need for an abortion. That's what I'm saying about taking responsability in your life! If you are so against the fact that some people carry a gun, why the f*ck are you promoting the murder of an infant who can not defend it's own life? Total hypocritical bull! The guys I shot were armed (2 Longrifles), threatened my family and their kids. But no, Discokicks, you're right, I should have asked them if they were wanted by their parents.


For your point on government-schools: sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say. My point is that (I speak for Belgium you know) the quality of education in those schools is inferior.




I said that I'm not against self-defense and I support a controlled possesion of arms (means: registered and after you did a medical, psychological and technical exam, just the way I got my permit). Have you ever been robbed? Has someone ever pointed a gun at your head? Did you ever take a bullet (1 in my shoulder and 1 in my leg)? If not, don't bother, then you don't know what you are talking about!

I don't get what this view has to do with abortion and unwanted children. So what you are saying is: when a criminal appears to be an unwanted child and he commits a crime, he should be pardoned and can not be brought to justice Nice way of organising a society

And why am I attacked and not Eddie who's saying the same? Something personal? Can some members here not stand that there are conservative views on this board? Those are the real fascists, not us!

Sorry Video to have left you in a lurch with my vague post. It was not a personal attack by any means. With everything that's been within our news lately, in particular, the horrendous shootings in our schools over these past couple of weeks, the suggestion of no gun control, in my opinion, just takes the lunacy of our society to even greater heights and admittedly, these horrors have affected me greatly....thus the reason for my lashing out at some of your views.

The reason why I chose to look at your viewpoints is because, like it or not, you have a strong presence on this website and quite frankly, I was shocked to read them. All of the liberal vs. conservative points of view continually written in posts here certainly display the vast thoughts that conjure up in the human mind. My portrait of you from the many posts showing your musical tastes shapes someone who is fun-loving, wild, successful and happy-go-lucky...your viewpoints just simply didn't coincide.....and so I'm trying to understand what makes someone label themselves conservative or liberal.

This website is interesting. It brings together a community of people who bring to the table their personal love for this thing called disco....a genre of music that for the most part was specifically made for dancing, fun and expressing the love of life. We all come here 25 and 30 years later to discuss the music and those times which, for many of us, is a major passion.

It also was a time when we were so much more younger and naive to much of what life offers. Life back then was all about getting ready for Friday and Saturday nights, drinking, laughing and hitting the dancefloor. Here we are years later with a lot of life experience behind us which has now shaped our present outlook on the ways of the world...good and bad. We are the result of those experiences.

In regards to the gun control issue, sorry, I must have misunderstood what "100% no gun control" meant. I know down in the states, one can buy a gun anywhere, with no training how to use it required. I suppose in a lot of people's minds, they see no problem with that but I have my doubts.

Doubts, seeing different points of view and looking at life through different angles seems to be the liberal-minded person's way of thinking. There are no abolutes and clear answers to the struggles of life and society. Some would call that wishy-washy, indecisive and even cowardice....but I can't see how any of us can approach life any other way.

[Videoskooter]

Discokicks,

First 2 points:

- yes it was a vague post and I considered it as a personal attack.
- always keep in mind that my native language is not English. Sometimes I don't get the "finesse" of somebody's posts and maybe sometimes my words come across harder then they were intended to be. Again, I'm not Shakespeare :lol:

People who read my posts regularly know that I'm a conservative but they also know that I'm a moderate conservative. I believe in certain values and I want people to take responsability.

But that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy life, you know. I have a very wild side too and it doesn't conflict with my conservative views. I think that some members here confuse conservatism with the extreme-right evangelical groups that circle around Washington.

I post pics of nude women, I talk about porn, I flirt with the gay members here and I enjoy my time here. Television is not my thing so instead of viewing programmes I don't like, I have big fun here an hour a day.

And BTW, are my political views so extreme? I'm deadly serious about the Islamofascists and the Iranian government because I really consider 'em as the scum of the human race.

Abortion? I don't say they have to throw a woman in jail for doing that. I'm just saying, don't make it legal, try to prevent that women need an abortion. There's a slight difference IMO!

Don't you ever think that I am not shocked when I see the reports on shootings in schools. But there's the problem, if some psycho enters my trailer or my house this night and if I don't have a gun, I think I'll be very dead! And I have to protect my wife and family, I'm sorry. In such a case, it's me against them!

And when Marky opens a topic on Republicans that are homophobic and are closeted gays themselves I don't care. There are enough hypocrits in this worlds. But I wish he does the same thing when a Democrat or Libertarian gets caught with his pants down.

I hope this clears up the incident and I repeat I don't have a problem with you or anyone else on this board. But in this political subforum, things get ruff sometimes. (That's why Bernie monitors this section very close I think).

And for your remark on my strong presence: I always avoid talking politics in the music-sections. So I don't think people will be chased away after reading some comments I make here. I'm just 1 member of this big family, you know, no more, no less.

So let's "make-da-peace" Sta bene?

[Boodikka]

Video, I loves ya!
If you had a sex change, I would definitely sleep with you! ;-)

[eddie]

I've been following Farrakhan since 1992. I strongly believed that Christian conservatives should have got behind him in the Million Man March. Again as always, the neo-cons, Republicans, and conservatives let race and prejudice obscure reaching out to other groups. G. Gordon Liddy and Rush Limbaugh went on and on about how a march would not lead to stronger Black families. That's when I realized that complaisent conservativism often goes hand in hand with a shifty no-ideology platform and protecting economic investment at the expense of other groups. It's foolish to think that overturning Roe V Wade can or should be done with a overwhelming White Christian majority considering that was the make-up that accepted pro-choice legislation.

Bill O'reiley, Joe Scarborough, Alfonse Damato, and Pat Buchanan are the only conservatives that consider different angles and want to form coalitions with these groups.

Actually, I do believe in 1 exception to gun control: No guns to felons.
In these school shootings, if someone had a gun, they could counteract with gunfire and end the violent situation sooner. Now in Arizona, the prosecution has the burden of proof in a case where someone kills in self-defense.

The elimination of public schools would make the country more religious because many families would opt for private religious schools. Home schooling by many parents or by groups of parents would reduce the need for 2 parents to both be in the workforce 100 hours per week. As society currently exists, people hire immigrants often illegally to work for nothing and to look after their kid. This non-acceptance of immigrants as equal citizens and only as below-minimium wage earners would stop.

As Videoskooter eluded to, various countries have problems with the allegances of immigrants. Governor Arnold stated that Mexicans should emerse themselves in the American culture. The perceived threat from Middle Eastern Muslims in Europe and the US is causing fissures between people of conservative ideology. If the US disregards abusing Muslims and Mexicans economically both within the US and abroad, they will be become loyal to and/or respect the US.

[paul]

Thanks for sharing that eddie 8)
How would others and more specifically an atheist/secular humanist such as myself do in your preferred nation?

[Videoskooter]

Video, I loves ya!
If you had a sex change, I would definitely sleep with you! ;-)

WOW

Boodi, I considered a sex change 1nce but it was too expensive. In Belgium every inch is billed so.......

[markydefad]

Videoskooter,

I always thought this right-wing conservative thing you occasionally referred to was a joke---but now I'm reading you really are a right-winger??? Who knew??? :-o:-o:-o but you have a sense of humor about it; I guess that helps!!!

[paul]

To no surprise, it didn't take long for the party of personal responsibility to blame Bill Clinton for North Korea. If ya didn't know better you'd think Clinton was still in office the way they blame him for everything. This time it's coming from John McCain.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15210254/

[eddie]

Paul: I actually agree with you a lot even in the political field. Like the Repubs blaming Clinton for intelligence breeches.

Politics takes into account all of our biases. I have a tremendous fear of being hurt again in the future by a female leaving me. I also have no use for alcohol even before I met my ex who was alcoholic and cannot stand going to a club/bar and meeting someone.

My employer managed to start me at the lowest possible level despite having median qualifications. Upon advancement, I was forced to take on other people's roles in addition to my own for no additional compensation or credit. I was since demoted because I let other people take advantage of me but I didn't have much choice. My own work took a back seat to coverage and support of others who may have simply had the day off but did not ever return the favor. Fratenizing and chronic complaining would have probably done wonders. ;-) A pair of breasts would have gotten me even further! Soft tone objection got me nowhere.:roll:

I was fortunately never faced with the decision of whether to take someone's life in self-defense or be killed. Some have as soldiers in combat or citizens who have been mugged. If faced with a violent situation, I'd probably back away from using arms because I know a court or society will always second guess my decision. I'm someone who is against almost all wars and am worried of my tax dollars funding various tenets and principals that I do not support.

I was raised Presbyterian but I've since rejected it and Christianity for the most part. Honestly, I'm more agnostic than anything else but I strongly detest telling people there may not be God.

I'm a complex person of reactions and counter-reactions. There seems to be only a few outlets where I can meet people.