Disco frustration

**remicks** · September 17th, 2006, 02:26 PM

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Disco releases .... so many tactical errors .

Had I only been disco Czar back then !!! ( Had only somebody been disco czar! )

If any other label frustrates me almost as much as Motown in terms of how badly they handled their disco product ..... it's Philadelphia International. So many lost opportunities by those folks too.

I'm listening to Lou Rawls THIS SONG WILL LAST FOREVER 1976

Hot off the heels of his also under promoted "YOU ’ll NEVER FIND" ( no 12" for it ) .... this is just a delightful breezy early morning styled tune . Beautiful really. ( Somebody please say you played it BITD 8-))
Didn't anyone at Sigma Sound have the slightest inkling to have this remixed into a full fledged disco tune ???

Arrrggghhh! :-P:evil::evil::evil:

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**tony98** · September 17th, 2006, 02:41 PM

I don't know that particular Lou Rawls track,but as somebody who bought a lot of Philly releases i found it very frustrating that a lot of there stuff never came out on 12". Did they think there product only got played on the radio, hadn't they heard of DISCOTEQUES?

**remicks** · September 17th, 2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Written by tony98

I don't know that particular Lou Rawls track,but as somebody who bought a lot of Philly releases i found it very frustrating that a lot of there stuff never came out on 12". Did they think there product only got played on the radio, hadn't they heard of DISCOTEQUES?

I've always felt that something didn't smell right at ol' PI .
For instance :
Why would they not eagerly continue to use Tom Moulton after his masterful restructuring of TSOP / MFSB ?????? :icon_twisted::icon_question::icon_question:

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**tony98** · September 17th, 2006, 05:34 PM

Just found my 7" copy of Jean Carne "There's a shortage of good men"
B/W "(No no)you can't come back now" Philly #ZS83667 what a 12" that would have made.

**Disco Funk** · September 17th, 2006, 08:03 PM

I noticed that Gamble & Huff and PIR didn't offer 12" remixes until about 1978. That's when the MFSB records like 'Use Ta Be My Guy' and 'Dance With Me Tonight' were released as remixes on 12". Other than that, the only rarity on 12" pre-78 must have been the non-LP track by People's Choice called 'If You Gonna Do It'. All of the other 12"s were just straight pulls from the LPs.

As for Lou Rawls, outside of You'll Never Find Another Love Like Mine, other missed 12" opportunities include From Now On (a Bunny Sigler track) and See You When I Git There.

Disco Funk

**Disco Funk** · September 17th, 2006, 08:06 PM

Originally Written by remicks

I've always felt that something didn't smell right at ol' PI .
For instance :
Why would they not eagerly continue to use Tom Moulton after his masterful restructuring of TSOP / MFSB ??????

Perhaps the Disco Champs LP was the misfire that cost Tom Moulton? I thought his remixes on that record were so weak, especially stacked up against his Philadelphia Classics remixes. The drums really sounded muted and mixed down, not crisp like on the original record.

Disco Funk

**remicks** · September 17th, 2006, 10:01 PM

Originally Written by Disco Funk

I noticed that Gamble & Huff and PIR didn't offer 12" remixes until about 1978.

Disco Funk

:o:o:o Really ? That's RIDICULOUS !!!:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

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**Disco Funk** · September 17th, 2006, 11:02 PM

Originally Written by remicks

:o:o:o Really ? That's RIDICULOUS !!!:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

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Yup. My sentiments exactly. Actually I never even bothered buying PIR 12"s until the last year when I realized that some of those late 70s 12"s were bona fide remixes that differed from the LP versions. The most obvious was Ain't No Stoppin Us Now, which is 10 min on 12" and 7 min on the LP. But there are others like 12"s by Jerry Butler, Dexter Wansel, Jean Carn, Teddy Pendergrass, etc... You gotta check the running times and compare them to the LPs. I think some of those West Side CD compilations included the 12" remixes, like the Billy Paul CD.

Other artists besides Lou Rawls that would have been great to have been remixed (I'm excluding Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes, The Three Degrees, etc.. because they were all on the Philadelphia Classics LP) include Bunny Sigler, Instant Funk (the Philly Jump record needed extended remixes of stuff like It Ain't Reggae), and especially The People's Choice.

Disco Funk

**remicks** · September 17th, 2006, 11:13 PM

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So now i'm confused.
When did the Moulton LOVE IS THE MESSAGE remix take place ??

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**tony98** · September 18th, 2006, 03:15 AM

I have the Linda Clifford 12" of "From now on " and that's a knockout. About 5 years ago some Philly 12" did come out, among the usual suspects wer'e 4 great tracks - "Don't let love get you down"-"Let's clean up the ghetto"-"More I get the more I want" & a big favourite of mine Anthony White "Hey baby".I forgot to add these are U.K releases. I love the Instant Funk stuff on Philly,I was just about to submit one of them to the Disco Vault - "Philly Jump"
ZS8 4783 on T.S.O.P.-1976.

**Disco Funk** · September 18th, 2006, 08:04 AM

Originally Written by remicks

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So now i'm confused.
When did the Moulton LOVE IS THE MESSAGE remix take place ??

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That remix and the others on the Philadelphia Classics record were released in 1977. Disco Champs was also released that year.

Disco Funk

**markydefad** · September 18th, 2006, 05:07 PM

remicks,

This Song Will Last Forever gets a few mentions on the city charts, as I recall. But PIR didn't get the value of the 12" format at this point in time. :roll:

**DISCODISK** · September 18th, 2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Written by tony98

About 5 years ago some Philly 12" did come out, among the usual suspects wer'e 4 great tracks - "Don't let love get you down"-"Let's clean up the ghetto"-"More I get the more I want" & a big favourite of mine Anthony White "Hey baby".

these were well worth picking up and on the other side of anthony white is one of my favourite phillys carolyn crawford 'just got to be more careful':p

**remicks** · October 6th, 2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Written by remicks

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Disco releases .... so many tactical errors .

Had I only been disco Czar back then !!! ( Had only somebody been disco czar! )

If any other label frustrates me almost as much as Motown in terms of how badly they handled their disco product ..... it's Philadelphia International. So many lost opportunities by those folks too.

I'm listening to Lou Rawls THIS SONG WILL LAST FOREVER 1976

Hot off the heels of his also under promoted "YOU ’ll NEVER FIND" ( no 12" for it ) .... this is just a delightful breezy early morning styled tune . Beautiful really. ( Somebody please say you played it BITD 8-))
Didn't anyone at Sigma Sound have the slightest inkling to have this remixed into a full fledged disco tune ???

Arrrggghhh! :-P:evil::evil::evil:

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remicks,

This Song Will Last Forever gets a few mentions on the city charts, as I recall. But PIR didn't get the value of the 12" format at this point in time. :roll:

all will be revealed !!

The 1976 Disco Compilation Consensus Top 300: #201--#300

275) I'VE GOT TO DANCE (To Keep From Cryin') - The Destinations (Master Five) (32 points)
276) LOVE TO LOVE YOU BABY - Donna Summer (Oasis) (32 points in 1976/holdover from 1975)
277) SURPRISE - The Disco Sound Of Andre Gagnon (London) (32 points**)
278) THIS SONG WILL LAST FOREVER - Lou Rawls (Philadelphia Intl.) (32 points)
279) I'M HYPNOTIZED/ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE - Frannie Golde (Atlantic) (31 points each**)
280) AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS - Wild Honey (T.K.) (31 points**)

markydefad