THE MESSAGE

**QUINNY** · August 17th, 2002, 04:40 PM

Maybe this will stir your digits!
GRANDMASTER FLASH - THE MESSAGE is one.
How many other tunes do you know that ripped off the bassline of Chic's Good Times. So that this thread can run longer and more people can join in please only post 1 tune per reply.

**DISCODISK** · August 17th, 2002, 04:58 PM

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On 2002-08-17 17:40, QUINNY wrote:
Maybe this will stir your digits!
GRANDMASTER FLASH - THE MESSAGE is one.
How many other tunes do you know that ripped off the bassline of Chic's Good Times.

???? dont you mean GRANDMASTER FLASH-THE ADVENTURES OF GRANDMASTER FLASH ON THE WHEELS OF STEEL ?

**nrgbeat** · August 17th, 2002, 05:07 PM

"Another One Bites The Dust" Queen

**QUINNY** · August 17th, 2002, 05:28 PM

DISCODISK: maybe I do, maybe I don't
Anyway instead of nitpicking, where's your nomination?

**QUINNY** · August 17th, 2002, 05:33 PM

nrgbeat: Steve Who? I'm straight and I'm over 'ere (England)
So this site's not hot enough eh?

**DanceMan** · August 17th, 2002, 07:38 PM

On 2002-08-17 17:40, QUINNY wrote:
Maybe this will stir your digits!
GRANDMASTER FLASH - THE MESSAGE is one.
How many other tunes do you know that ripped off the bassline of Chic's Good Times. So that this thread can run longer and more people can join in please only post 1 tune per reply.

To me the most notable rip-off and it was purposely done was the first single by the Sugarhill Gang, "Rapper's Delight". Sadly, many people at the time, and maybe even now, remember that record as the end of the disco era as we knew it....In retrospect it probably was a harmless rap song, as compared to much of the crap that has excreted itself onto some of the radio airwaves....but personally,I will always hate most of Rap music not only because it was another part of the so-called disco backlash as was Punk, but more importantly, I see that it had no positive effect on music, society and life in general; plus it was a total insult to disco music and it various singers as most of Rap was performed by people who had no talent but wanted to made a quick buck...why it still pervails to this day.....I wish I had an answer.

**markydefad** · August 17th, 2002, 08:09 PM

Ooooh DanceMan...

I HEAR THAT!!!! "Rapper's Delight" (as innocent as it was) was the beginning of the end. I always get a little chill when I hear it...thinking back to 1979 and being cluless as to what havoc that little ditty was gonna wreak upon the music I loved and was sorta taking for granted. :sad:

Similarly, I remember the fall of 1979 when "My Sharona" by The Knack came out. This was when I realized that Disco was really on it's way out. And I liked "My Sharona"--BUT the "winds of change" were in the air. :roll:

**DISCODISK** · August 17th, 2002, 08:09 PM

also in not such an obvious way bounce rock skate & roll-vaughan mason & co

**NickNack** · August 17th, 2002, 08:13 PM

On 2002-08-17 21:09, markydefad wrote:
Ooooh DanceMan...
Similarly, I remember the fall of 1979 when "My Sharona" by The Knack came out.

What is it about this song? I never considered myself a 'rock' person and I went nuts for this. I realized later it became a considerable hit.

**DanceMan** · August 17th, 2002, 08:22 PM

On 2002-08-17 21:13, NickNack wrote:

On 2002-08-17 21:09, markydefad wrote:
Ooooh DanceMan...
Similarly, I remember the fall of 1979 when "My Sharona" by The Knack came out.

What is it about this song? I never considered myself a 'rock' person and I went nuts for this. I realized later it became a considerable hit.

I was also going to mention "My Sharona"...It leaves a bad taste in my mouth (and I hold this song even more responsible for helping taint 1979) and it was one of the songs that was rockers and new wavers stood and cheered to at Chicago's Death To Disco Day at that stadium...so I personally will never play The Knack.

**nrgbeat** · August 17th, 2002, 08:29 PM

It's interesting that The Knack came on strong in the fall of '79 but faded out just as fast.

**markydefad** · August 17th, 2002, 08:31 PM

Well Nicky,

"My Sharona" is a catchy little pop rock gem--tough to dance to unless you pogo!!!!

But, when it reached #1 in August of 1979, AFTER the Chicago Burning of Disco Records in July--it just hit me that the jig was up.

Through 1979--the Pop #1's had consisted of:

"Too Much Heaven" - Bee Gees (mellow fluff)
"Da Ya think I'm Sexy?" - Rod Stewart (rock superstar goes Disco)
"I Will Survive" - Gloria Gaynor
"Tragedy" - Bee Gees
"What A Fool Believes"- Doobie Brothers (Rock goes Disco)
"Knock On Wood" - Amii Stewart
"Heart Of Glass" - Blondie (Rock goes Disco)
"Reunited"- Peaches & Herb (a ballad BUT they had just done "Shake Your Groove Thing")
"Hot Stuff" - Donna Summer (Disco goes Rock!!!)
"Love You Inside Out" - Bee Gees (ballad)
"Ring My Bell" - Anita Ward
"Bad Girls"- Donna Summer
"Good Times" - Chic

THEN: "My Sharona" --WHAT SONG DOESN'T FIT HERE?????

Granted,

a few DISCO songs were gonna get to #1 before the end of 1979:

"Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" - Miss Jackson
"Rise" - Herb Alpert
"No More Tears (Enough is Enough) - Babs & Donna

BUT--the END WAS IN SIGHT!!!!!

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**DanceMan** · August 17th, 2002, 09:51 PM

On 2002-08-17 21:31, markydefad wrote:
Well Nicky,

"My Sharona" is a catchy little pop rock gem--tough to dance to unless you pogo!!!!

But it when it reached #1 in August of 1979, AFTER the Chicago Burning of Disco Records in July--it just hit me that the jig was up.

Through 1979--the Pop #1's had consisted of:

"Too Much Heaven" - Bee Gees (mellow fluff)
"Da Ya think I'm Sexy?" - Rod Stewart (rock superstar goes Disco)
"I Will Survive" - Gloria Gaynor
"Tragedy" - Bee Gees
"What A Fool Believes"- Doobie Brothers (Rock goes Disco)
"Knock On Wood" - Amii Stewart
"Heart Of Glass" - Blondie (Rock goes Disco)
"Reunited"- Peaches & Herb (a ballad BUT they had just done "Shake Your Groove Thing")
"Hot Stuff" - Donna Summer (Disco goes Rock!!!)
"Love You Inside Out" - Bee Gees (ballad)
"Ring My Bell" - Anita Ward
"Bad Girls"- Donna Summer
"Good Times" - Chic

THEN: "My Sharona" --WHAT SONG DOESN'T FIT HERE?????

Granted,

a few DISCO songs were gonna get to #1 before the end of 1979:

"Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" - Miss Jackson
"Rise" - Herb Alpert
"No More Tears (Enough is Enough) - Babs & Donna

BUT--the END WAS IN SIGHT!!!!!

and in New York, two songs that were number 1 radio hits and in many of the clubs as well for 1979 were "Come To Me," France Joli and "Deputy of Love," Don Armando.

amazing that those two didn't climb higher up the pop charts, as most (discounting Donna and Chic)of the other above mentioned #1 songs were hardly the ones most people want to claim as making 1979 the great, memorable year that it was!

**paul** · August 17th, 2002, 10:01 PM

On 2002-08-17 21:22, DanceMan wrote:

On 2002-08-17 21:13, NickNack wrote:

On 2002-08-17 21:09, markydefad wrote:
Ooooh DanceMan...
Similarly, I remember the fall of 1979 when "My Sharona" by The Knack came out.

What is it about this song? I never considered myself a 'rock' person and I went nuts for this. I realized later it became a considerable hit.

I was also going to mention "My Sharona"...It leaves a bad taste in my mouth (and I hold this song even more responsible for helping taint 1979) and it was one of the songs that was rockers and new wavers stood and cheered to at Chicago's Death To Disco Day at that stadium...so I personally will never play The Knack.

I share your sentiments Danceman. Talk about hatred. If nothing else in my view, it reflected the mood of the country at that time, Anita Bryant, Reagan, Moral Majority, etc.

**Outsider** · August 18th, 2002, 02:26 AM

I was also going to mention "My Sharona"...It leaves a bad taste in my mouth (and I hold this song even more responsible for helping taint 1979) and it was one of the songs that was rockers and new wavers stood and cheered to at Chicago's Death To Disco Day at that stadium...so I personally will never play The Knack.

But can you really blame the Knack for the demise of disco? It sounds like it was the general public who wanted disco to die. The Knack were just doing their thing. Like with other types of music, disco went out and something else came in. By the way, I like the Knack, and I think they have better songs than "My Sharona". Another song that was overplayed to death.

**Outsider** · August 18th, 2002, 02:29 AM

For a flash in the pan, the Knack are very active these days.

**QUINNY** · August 18th, 2002, 04:45 AM

WHAT THE **** HAS THE KNACK GOT TO DO WITH BASSLINES RIPPING OFF CHIC'S GOOD TIMES.
THANKS FOR DESTROYING THE TOPIC GUYS!!!!!!
THIS HAPPENS TOO MUCH.

**DanceMan** · August 18th, 2002, 08:00 AM

On 2002-08-18 05:45, QUINNY wrote:
WHAT THE **** HAS THE KNACK GOT TO DO WITH BASSLINES RIPPING OFF CHIC'S GOOD TIMES.
THANKS FOR DESTROYING THE TOPIC GUYS!!!!!!
THIS HAPPENS TOO MUCH.

Quinny: you are absolutely right in your chastisement....while I did my part in answering the question, and I didn't change the subject, I did partake in the follow-up thread....sorry....i guess we all get carried away and lose sight of the mothership from time to time....it won't happen again - you can trust this 27 year old man!

**Nano** · August 19th, 2002, 01:04 PM

Now, going back to "My Sharona"...

OK, just kidding! :lol:

I will mention a song that I didn't know by name until Blaxman cleared that up for me: "Wikka wrap" by Evasions. Cites both "Good times" and Tom Browne's "Funkin' on Jamaica".

**e,r** · August 20th, 2002, 02:18 AM

On 2002-08-17 21:09, DISCODISK wrote:
also in not such an obvious way bounce rock skate & roll-vaughan mason & co

i agree also:
firefly - love is gonna
flakes - sugar frosted
narada michel walden - tonight i'm allright

have some in'em

and another complete rip off(more like Queen)
but on an "avant garde" sort of thing is
Tuxedomoon's - 59 to 1

e,r

**sutnop** · August 20th, 2002, 03:43 AM

now see fellow disco listners

this is where I and you differ
Danceman and marky
and the others

I personally thought it was the 80's electronics together witht the beatboxes

that crushed dico and made it into soapy pop
much thanks to the aid of Michael Jackson
the transision can be seen on wanna be starting something.

I don't think rap destroyed disco music

on the contarie I think Rap is what keeps Old RnB, SOul and DIsco Music
in high regard by glorifying it in its sampling. And Rap music fights the prejudice idea of "disco is Dead" and "Disco is shallow and Cheesy"

I think Rap will help to reborn the new disco era.

I just hope it will be without overlapping beatboxes. As all modern dance music seems to contitute of tooday (Rave, House, Techno, Junlge, DrumnBass etc......)

On 2002-08-17 21:09, markydefad wrote:
Ooooh DanceMan...

I HEAR THAT!!!! "Rapper's Delight" (as innocent as it was) was the beginning of the end. I always get a little chill when I hear it...thinking back to 1979 and being cluless as to what havoc that little ditty was gonna wreak upon the music I loved and was sorta taking for granted. :sad:

Similarly, I remember the fall of 1979 when "My Sharona" by The Knack came out. This was when I realized that Disco was really on it's way out. And I liked "My Sharona"--BUT the "winds of change" were in the air. :roll:

**Nano** · August 21st, 2002, 04:05 PM

I totally agree with sutnop. Rap is a good thing, regardless of any stupidity the rappers can say in their rants.
The problem with disco (and funk altogether) was the possibilities of beatboxes and other rhythm-melodic machines. You can't groove the same way with a Roland beatbox and a DX7 than you were doing with analog synths, electric bass, drums and percussion. Many producers stuck with the new thing because it was cheaper, and "Thriller" probed this could do excellent sales. When Kool & The Gang, E,W&F and the others tried to jump wagon, their records began to sound stiff and mechanical.
Of course new wave, AIDS and Ronald Reagan helped, but this was the main cause of the death of analog black music... at least for some time.

**QUINNY** · August 22nd, 2002, 07:37 AM

Nano: What about all the great Disco tracks from the early '80s that used drum machines and various synths? That for me was the best time ever to be DJing. Hell, there were some real kick ass tracks then.

**Blaxman** · August 22nd, 2002, 08:12 AM

On 2002-08-21 17:05, Nano wrote:
I totally agree with sutnop. Rap is a good thing, regardless of any stupidity the rappers can say in their rants.
The problem with disco (and funk altogether) was the possibilities of beatboxes and other rhythm-melodic machines. You can't groove the same way with a Roland beatbox and a DX7 than you were doing with analog synths, electric bass, drums and percussion. Many producers stuck with the new thing because it was cheaper, and "Thriller" probed this could do excellent sales. When Kool & The Gang, E,W&F and the others tried to jump wagon, their records began to sound stiff and mechanical.
Of course new wave, AIDS and Ronald Reagan helped, but this was the main cause of the death of analog black music... at least for some time.

I totally agree with you Nano, in my opinion there are nothing worse than "fake drums" or "fake horns" like we can see in some funk tracks from the mid 80's (arghhh!!).

In 1983 Earth, Wind & Fire made a huge mistaske!!! They made an entire album using electronic instruments......OH MY GOD!!!

That was dumb move for sure!!
It costed to them four years away from the recordings. :sad:

The same happens to Kool & The Gang about 1984/85/86. They made hits but, the songs are/were completely disposable. :sad:

There are some exceptions of course: Zapp, Midnight Star, Cameo, Bar-Kays......but they never were the same they used to be...... :sad:

Peace

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