Post Disco/Proto House ??

[fabio]

(...) Following Marmite7 suggestion i turned to e-bay and bought 10 copies of Record Mirror (UK magazine) dated between 1982 and 1985.
I found few charts including sooo many unknown records and i would like to ask your help to identify the "genre" and find a tran-sition between Disco and House (will publish the same message in the 80's section)
I would like to start with the first issue dated September 18th, 1982. Which one of the following tracks could be labelled "Post Disco/Proto House"?:roll:
Let's beginn:

(the title of the chart is) Disco:
(part 1)
1) LOVE COMES DOWN Evelyn Champagne King
2) WALKING/ROCKING ON SUNSHINE Rockers Revenge
3) THE MESSAGE GMaster Flash
4) SO FINE Howard Johnson
5) JUMP TO IT Aretha Franklin
6) DO IT TO THE MUSIC Raw Silk
7) MORE BOUNCE TO THE DANCE Zapp
8) GIVE ME/3AM I Level
9) NEVER GIVE YOU UP Sharon Reed
10)BEAT THE STREET Sharon Reed
11)HEAD OVER HEELS Galaxy
12)THERE IT IS Shalamar
13)WHEN WE PARTY Jay W McGee
14)NEW YORK CITY/STRAIGHT TO THE TOP Stanley Clark
15)YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO Brenda Taylor
16)SHE'S GO IT/ NICE AND EASY Leroy Hutson
17)BOOGIE IN YOUR BUTT Eddie Murphy
18)BIG FUN/GET DOWN ON IT Kool and the Gang
19)PLANET ROCK SS Force
20)BEAT THE STREET (remix) Sharon Reed
21)ONE MINUTE FROM LOVE/NEVER HAD A LOVE LIKE YOU/FOREVER/BABY
WON'T CHA Marc Sandane
22)IMAGINATION BB&Q Band
23)THE LOVER IN YOU SugarHill Gang
24)DON'T STOP MY LOVE Passion
25)LOVE DON'T COME EASY New Jersey Connection
26)LOVE'S COMING AT YA Melba Moore
27)SHE'S SO DIVINE The Limit
28)BRING YOUR SWEET LOVIN BACK
29)SUMMER LADY/CONFIDENCE Narada Michael Walden
30)INVITATION Shakatak
31)GO WITH THE FLOW Weeks and co
32)CHANGES Immagination
33)AND I'M TELLING YOU AM NOT GOING Jennifer Holliday
34)STOOL PIGEON Kid Creole and the coconutz
35)I MUST BE DREAMING Wanda
36)IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME BY NOW Jean Carn
37)CAN'T TAKE MY EYES OFF U Boys town Gang
38)ZOOM Fat Larrys Gang
39)PARADISE/CLASSY LADY/NOBODY BUT YOU Leroy Hutson
40)FEELIN FINE Sly Cabell

Have fun!!

[Greg Wilson]

(...) Following Marmite7 suggestion i turned to e-bay and bought 10 copies of Record Mirror (UK magazine) dated between 1982 and 1985.
I found few charts including sooo many unknown records and i would like to ask your help to identify the "genre" and find a tran-sition between Disco and House (will publish the same message in the 80's section)
I would like to start with the first issue dated September 18th, 1982. Which one of the following tracks could be labelled "Post Disco/Proto House"?:roll:
Let's beginn:

(the title of the chart is) Disco:
(part 1)
1) LOVE COMES DOWN Evelyn Champagne King
2) WALKING/ROCKING ON SUNSHINE Rockers Revenge
3) THE MESSAGE GMaster Flash
4) SO FINE Howard Johnson
5) JUMP TO IT Aretha Franklin
6) DO IT TO THE MUSIC Raw Silk
7) MORE BOUNCE TO THE DANCE Zapp
8) GIVE ME/3AM I Level
9) NEVER GIVE YOU UP Sharon Reed
10)BEAT THE STREET Sharon Reed
11)HEAD OVER HEELS Galaxy
12)THERE IT IS Shalamar
13)WHEN WE PARTY Jay W McGee
14)NEW YORK CITY/STRAIGHT TO THE TOP Stanley Clark
15)YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO Brenda Taylor
16)SHE'S GO IT/ NICE AND EASY Leroy Hutson
17)BOOGIE IN YOUR BUTT Eddie Murphy
18)BIG FUN/GET DOWN ON IT Kool and the Gang
19)PLANET ROCK SS Force
20)BEAT THE STREET (remix) Sharon Reed
21)ONE MINUTE FROM LOVE/NEVER HAD A LOVE LIKE YOU/FOREVER/BABY
WON'T CHA Marc Sandane
22)IMAGINATION BB&Q Band
23)THE LOVER IN YOU SugarHill Gang
24)DON'T STOP MY LOVE Passion
25)LOVE DON'T COME EASY New Jersey Connection
26)LOVE'S COMING AT YA Melba Moore
27)SHE'S SO DIVINE The Limit
28)BRING YOUR SWEET LOVIN BACK
29)SUMMER LADY/CONFIDENCE Narada Michael Walden
30)INVITATION Shakatak
31)GO WITH THE FLOW Weeks and co
32)CHANGES Immagination
33)AND I'M TELLING YOU AM NOT GOING Jennifer Holliday
34)STOOL PIGEON Kid Creole and the coconutz
35)I MUST BE DREAMING Wanda
36)IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME BY NOW Jean Carn
37)CAN'T TAKE MY EYES OFF U Boys town Gang
38)ZOOM Fat Larrys Gang
39)PARADISE/CLASSY LADY/NOBODY BUT YOU Leroy Hutson
40)FEELIN FINE Sly Cabell

Have fun!!

Hi fabio: It's this era that I highlight on my website:
http://www.electrofunkroots.co.uk

You can find floorfiller lists from the early 80's here (scroll down):
http://www.keeponmagazine.co.uk/charts.htm

The evolution of House music can be found in the post-Disco period, when the scene went back to a more underground vibe. This really gained momentum during the Electro era, with dance music increasingly relying on the advances in technology.

The piece I wrote, 'Electro-Funk - What Did It All Mean?' is included in the Disco 101 section:
http://www.discomusic.com/101-more/23_0_7_0_C65/

[Greg Wilson]

BTW James Hamilton's Disco pages in Record Mirror were absolutely essential reading for UK DJ's from the mid 70's onward.

Does anyone have copies of Record Mirror from the 70's?

[QUINNY]

BTW James Hamilton's Disco pages in Record Mirror were absolutely essential reading for UK DJ's from the mid 70's onward.

Does anyone have copies of Record Mirror from the 70's?

Wish I did!!!! My wife made me throw out hundreds of Record Mirrors in a de-cluttering exercise.:cry:

[hotmixbk]

In Detroit they called it "progressive" when I was coming up that 1982-1985 era. From your list these are what we considered "progressive"...lol

WALKING/ROCKING ON SUNSHINE Rockers Revenge
BEAT THE STREET Sharon Redd
BEAT THE STREET (remix) Sharon Redd
INVITATION Shakatak
GO WITH THE FLOW Weeks and Co.
CHANGES Imagination
SO FINE Howard Johnson
LOVE COMES DOWN Evelyn Champagne King

Plus some others just from memory

GLAD TO KNOW YOU Chaz Jankel
LOVE HOW YOU FEEL Sharon Redd
YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD Unique
COOL AS ICE 52nd Street
IM GOING TO GO Jago
TITTLE TATTLE Barrincentro
PROBLEMS D'AMOUR Alexander Robotnik
DONT GO LOSE IT BABY Hugh Masekela
DOWN ON THE STREET Shakatak
I SPECIALIZE IN LOVE Sherry Brown
SOONER OR LATER Larry Graham
HEY EVERBODY {drew a blank}
THINLINE Sinnamon
THANKS TO YOU Sinnamon
MUSIC IS THE ANSWER Colonel Abrams
YOU DONT KNOW Serious Intentions*
FEEL THE DRIVE {drew a blank}
MY TURN TO LOVE YOU Lenny White
I'M HUNGRY Stopp
TRANS DANCE {drew a blank}
WHAT I LIKE Anthony and the Camp*
THEY ONLY COME OUT AT NIGHT Peter Brown
DONT WAIT ANOTHER NIGHT Change
CELEBRATE Subject
SERIOUS Serious Intentions*
NO FAVORS Temper*

*Anthony Malloy on vocals 3 different groups...lol

[fabio]

Well guys, glad to see that I have managed to involve both sides of the atlantic (?):???:
Thanks to Mr Greg Wilson for the tips regarding his site. I have checked it and took notes of the relevant records…. I even found your name mentioned on the new Hacienda compilation! (how come no mention on the book Rip It up and Start Again...)
Thanks also to the junior member hotmixbk with the introduction of the “progressive” music which will eventually leads me to Theo Parrish (I hope).
More of the information that I am looking for: therefore I have decided to carry on with my listing…

September 17th, 1983
Record Mirror Disco chart (part 1)
1) JAM ON REVENGE Newcleus
2) BODY WORK Hot Streak
3) WHAT IVE GOT IS WHAT YOU NEED Unique
4) SHOW ME THE WAY New York Skyy
5) ROCKIT Herbie Hancock
6) GO DE YAKA Monyaka
7) ONE MIND TWO HEARTS Paradise
8) A TIME LIKE THIS Haywoods
9) DON’T YOU GET SO MAD Jeffrey Osborne
10) PUT YOUR HEADS (?) TOGETHER (remix) O”Jays
11) JUST IN TIME Raw Silk
12) OUT IN THE NIGHT Serge Ponsar
13) LADIES CHOICE Stone City Band
14) I THINK I WANT TO DANCE WITH YOU Rumple-Stilts-Skin
15) JINGO (remix) Candido
16) JUST BE GOD TO ME SOS Band (also on Greg Wilson list)
17) HALF THE DAY’S GONE AND WE HAVEN’T EARNED A PENNY Kenny Lynch
18) COLD BLOODED Rick James
19) I’M THE PACKMAN The Packman
20) PUT YOUR HEADS TOGETHER O”Jays
21) KEEP ON ROCKIN/GIVE ME YOUR LOVE/COLD BLOODED LOVER/BOTTOM LINE Active force
22) I WANT YOU Curtis Hairston
23) STREET JUSTICE The Rake
24) DO YOU WANT ME El Chicano
25) PIMP THE SIMP Rick James
26) TALK TO ME Lew Kirton
27) ROCK THE WORLD Crown Height Affair
28) PARTY TIME Kurtis Blow
29) TWO THREE BREAK The B Boys
30) SUPERSTAR (BILLY JEAN) Lydia Murdock ( I forgot about this one)
31) THE CROWN Gary Byrd
32) IN AND OUT/CLOSER THAN CLOSE Junior Walker
33) SMOOTH Edwin Starr
34) SHOW ME THE WAY Skyy
35) ALL OVER YOUR FACE Ronnie Dyson
36) DOG TALK K-9 Corps
37) TONIGHT I CELEBRATE MY LOVE Peabo Bryson/Roberta Flack
38) THE WILDSTYLE Time Zone
39) RAINBOWS Del Richardson
40) IT’S COOL Walter Jackson

NIGHTCLUB
1) ROCKIT HH
2) THE CROWN Gary Byrds
3) THE SUN GOES DOWN Level 42
4) IOU Freeze
5) WHAT I GOT IS WHAT YOU NEED Unique
6) HALF THE DAY’S GONE AND WE HAVEN’T EARNED A PENNY Kenny Lynch
7) CONFUSION New Order (Love’em all!!!!)
8) LONG HOT SUMMER Style Council
9) GOLD Spandau Ballet
10) OUT IN THE NIGHT Serge Ponsar

BOYS TOWN DISCO
1) I DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT Pamela Stanley
2) BAND OF GOLD Sylvester
3) SEARCHIN Hazel Dean
4) GUILTY Lime
5) GOT TO GET TO YOU Charade
6) TAKE A CHANCE ON ME (Abba?) Waterfront Home
7) THE BOYS COME TO TOWN Earlene Bentley
8) WHEN WILL I SEE YOU AGAIN Magda Layna
9) ROCKT HH
10) ON THE GRID LIME

When will i be a Silver member? Gold?

[QUINNY]

Fabio: To be honest I've never quite seen the link between what are termed Proto House and House music. Much of what's termed Proto House appears to be everywhere BPM wise and stylistically too, whereas House (when it first hit) was pretty much 122-126 BPM and stylistically narrow.

When House really hit in '86 it seemed like it had grown out of nowhere to my then (and now) ears, except for the few where the hook, bassline or whatever, could be distinguished. The only thing they appeared to have in common was that crappy, badly played piano sound, or an equally annoying corny synth riff. Many seemed just plain amateur (which they were, I guess).

So, the lists that I come across from time to time, are less than helpful (to me).

BTW: Seeing those two Record Mirror lists just brings back a flood of memories, as I played about 90% of them. GREAT TIME for dance music and Discos.8) 8) 8)

[hotmixbk]

The first records I purchased as "house" were ...TIME TO JACK, MUSIC IS THE KEY,LIKE THIS, all of which I believe were pre-1986. I totally agree with Quinny the production was kind of "rough" initially. It often "copied" melodies from classic songs as in the 'The Trax I Lost' used the strings from Harold Melvin's 'The Love I Lost'. 'Music is the Key' mimmicks John Rocca's bass line to 'I Want It To Be Real'. 'Gotta Have House' 'House Music Anthem' the piano riff is a derivative of Gary's Gang 'Let's Love Dance'. I believe it was the result of "classics" played by the DJ's like Frankie Knuckles, Ron Hardy, etc... influencing the likes of Farley, Chip E, Steve Hurley. It got better toward 1987-1989 when NY'ers started duplicating the sound (i.e. Adonis' No Way Back V. 2Puerto Ricans a Blackman and a Dominican's Do It Properly) or the Arthur Baker remix of Fleetwood Mac's Big Love. It was a transition period of about 2 years for me [ I think ] where you found it difficult to decipher Chicago from Detroit from NYC and Vica Versa... Quality wise that is...LOL

[pipecock]

FEEL THE DRIVE {drew a blank}
TRANS DANCE {drew a blank}

feel the drive is by "doctor's cat" and trans dance is by "night moves".

this is the kind of disco that i like the most (actually, aside from those 2 tracks as well as a couple of others on your list)!