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    Van McCoy's worst ?

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    I think the world of Van McCoy .

    I'm getting close to deciding my favorite work by him .....but I'm still exploring.... haven't heard everything of his yet ... still hoping other good ones will crop up .

    But now .... I think I found the worst by him .....:-P:-P:-P:-P

    The Stylistics cover of Elvis" CAN'T HELP FALLING IN LOVE 1976 from the album...... FABULOUS ;);););) ....
    peeee...yewwww....

    To be fair ... this is a Hugo & Luigi produced tune ....so when I heard it I thought '"Whew .... at least Van wasn't behind this stinker ."
    But then I looked at the label again and his name is on it ....he arranged the rhythm. (Horace Ott did the strings and horns ) ... so have to blame him to a degree ....

    Can't explain why its so bad .... you'd just have to hear it .

    very high pitched typical Stylistics' vocal :
    Can't help ....falling in love (
    boom boom) falling in love (boom boom) falling in love (boom boom) with ... even higher pitched vocal : .... youuuu.:razz:

    Sorry Van was anywhere near the studio during this one ....:razz::lol:

    Avoid at all costs !! :oops:

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    Actually, I really like 'Can't Help Falling In Love'. It was a new take on the song, which before that was always done as a slow song. The problem with the Hugo & Luigi stuff, for me, is the mixing. The echo and the drums sounds like they were made from 3rd generation copies. Maybe there was too much middle. Van McCoy's productions on RCA had a much warmer, accessible sound.

    I don't know if there's any seriously low Van McCoy moment for me. People might say it was when he sang, but I actually like those tracks. I wasn't too crazy about his version of 'Hey Girl Come & Get It' or 'Doctors Orders' on the Disco Baby LP. I think the use of the synth was done in a more cheesy, rather than funky or complementary manner on those tracks. The synth (Moog?) sounded better on Spanish Boogie and Disco Baby.

    I wasn't too crazy about that Movie Machine album. It's The Joint is a great tune, but the movie medley is just uninspiring.

    I also didn't like him revisiting the Hustle chord progression and arrangement. Examples are Keep on Hustlin and Disco Samba.

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    How about your favourite Van McCoy moments? For me, they are:

    - Disco Baby - awesome album inspite of the songs I mentioned above. He really showcases the clavinet on this album, which is my favorite keyboard instruments.
    - Disco Kid - this is also a great album, where he does two awesome vocal tracks 'Words Spoken Softly At Midnight' and the other track the title of which I forget. 'Roll With the Punches' is a cool remake of 'Pick Up The Pieces', which he covered on Disco Baby
    - His later, vocal albums had some great tunes like 'Story of My Life' (this song is waaaay too short); 'Two Points' (if you haven't heard this track you gotta - its one of his best instrumentals); 'You're So Right For Me'; and 'You're My Favorite Fantasy'.
    - Faith Hope & Charity's self-titled and Life Goes On albums.
    - All of the Choice Four albums. I think they were the best interpreters of Van McCoys music
    - David Ruffin's albums. Not all of the songs blow me away, but tracks like 'Walk Away From Love', 'Who I Am', etc.. are among Van McCoy's best compositions/productions
    - Bill Harris - Am I Cold Am I Hot - one song, no album. Strange and too bad. This is probably THE best Van McCoy song.

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    Other stuff that he did that I think are alright but don't really blow me away:

    - Melba Moore's albums. I actually prefer her work with McFadden & Whitehead over the Van McCoy stuff.
    - Gladys Knight - I don't recall if he did a whole album with her and the Pips, or just some songs on an album with multiple producers.
    - Sweet Censation - I think this was a white group. I don't like the sound of their vocals. Some of the tracks on the self-titled album are worth a listen
    - Anacostia - for some reason, these guys are just okay for me. The songs haven't blown me away. Maybe I'll have to give them another listen. They did two albums and a few singles with McCoy.
    - The Stylistics - I like some of the stuff he did with them, but not all of it. Heavy Fallin Out, Funky Weekend, Thank You Baby, You Make Me Feel Brand New, etc... are all great. But their version of Disco Baby was pretty weak. Hey Girl Come & Get It and I Can't Give You Anything are my favorite tracks. Too bad they're so short!!!
    - Zulema - there was an album from '78 where McCoy produced a few songs on it, but they were just alright. It wasn't worth the purchase of the album.

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    We should also give a shout out to the Philly and New York musicians who helped McCoy shape his sound. I don't remember all of the names, but I do recall guys like Steve Gadd and Rick Marotta (drummers), Leon Pendarvis (keyboards) and Hugh McCracken (guitar) were frequently credited on his albums. The drummers were expecially important in shaping McCoy's sound because they didn't play a straight disco beat. Usually they gave it a syncopated latin feel. And we must also give credit to whoever played the xylophone and used that rubbing sandpaper instrument (I don't know the name of it). They were also key components in the Van McCoy sound.

    That's it from me.

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    Zulema - there was an album from '78 where McCoy produced a few songs on it, but they were just alright. It wasn't worth the purchase of the album.



    "Z-licious" is the album, from here "Change" was released on 12" and played in clubs, but McCoy's tunes "Praying for a miracle" and "See" are IMO the best cuts off this LP. they are really nice

    http://www.discomusic.com/records-more/3217_0_2_0_C/

    Bill Harris - Am I Cold Am I Hot - one song, no album. Strange and too bad. This is probably THE best Van McCoy song.
    never heard this , What label was it?


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    Quote Originally Written by Mixmachine


    never heard this , What label was it?

    I believe Am I Cold Am I Hot was released on RCA. I have it on Disco Express Vol.2, which was an RCA label compilation released in '75. It featured another Van McCoy track 'So Much Love' by Destiny. The Bill Harris track was release on its own as a 45 only, as far as I know.

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    Re: Van's worst ?

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    thanks for the wonderful response Disco Funk .

    Although ......now I see I have MUCH MORE to review before deciding my all time McCoy fave.

    The one I like the best thus far ... you alluded to ....


    As for CAN'T HELP FALLING IN LOVE ........ (well it is true ..as you point out .....it is an uptempo approach to this old slow ballad .... but ..... a successful approach ? :roll: ........:-P ) .
    I've always found that a little of The Stylistics goes a long way ...and I'd abandon their collective comp long before playing thru to this squawker :-P!! I'm really surprised you even know it ... much less like it !


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    thanks for the wonderful response Disco Funk .

    Although ......now I see I have MUCH MORE to review before deciding my all time McCoy fave.

    The one I like the best thus far ... you alluded to ....


    As for CAN'T HELP FALLING IN LOVE ........ (well it is true ..as you point out .....it is an uptempo approach to this old slow ballad .... but ..... a successful approach ? :roll: ........:-P ) .
    I've always found that a little of The Stylistics goes a long way ...and I'd abandon their collective comp long before playing thru to this squawker :-P!! I'm really surprised you even know it ... much less like it !


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    I have a CD which is a best of the Stylistics from a label called BR Music (?). It starts off with 'I Can't Give You Anything' and ends with 'Thank You Baby'. I don't know if you've got the same one. In addition to 'Can't Help Falling In Love' it features a great remake of The Tokens' 'Lion Sleeps Tonight'.

    I agree with you that Russell Thompkins' falsetto vocals is best heard in small doses. I much prefer the sound of Teddy Mills of Blue Magic. Or even Eddie Kendricks.

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    Quote Originally Written by Disco Funk
    I have a CD which is a best of the Stylistics from a label called BR Music (?). It starts off with 'I Can't Give You Anything' and ends with 'Thank You Baby'. I don't know if you've got the same one.

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    No I don't. I meant if I had to listen to a compilation of theirs ......
    .... I don't have any Stylistics CD's.

    I rarely buy CD's .... bought two all of last year ..... and don't like artist compilations ... I get bored with everybody after a couple of songs .....

    Besides was disco meant to be heard like that ??

    I make my own CDs .....typically themed in some way .... but always with a wide composite of artists ....

    Give CAN'T HELP FALLING IN LOVE ( BOOM BOOM) a fresh discriminatory listen DF !! It's awful, :x honest !!:lol:

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    I agree with the sprawling falsetto of Russell Thompkins and other singers if not properly produced. It seems that another singer should start off the song and the falsetto should do the second verse, or the bridge, or pre-chorus and not the whole song. Some of Blue Magic's later songs suffer from this like "It's magic" and "Teach me (there's something about love)" especially. It would seem that the manner of which they have the vocals in "Stop to Start" is most effective unless the materail is exceptionally strong.

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    Re: Van's worst ?

    What about Van McCoy's score for the legendary 80-year old Mae West turkey "Sextette" from 1979 - most seem to think it's awful, some find it wonderful. I personally belong to the latter camp.

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    Van McCoy scored for Sextette?!! I didn't realize this. I am familiar with the turkey status of the film, although I haven't seen it. I'll have to check out the music. Thanks for the tip! Probably one of his last projects before he died.

    Update: I checked out IMDB and it says Van McCoy appears in the film as a delegate(?). I will definitely have to check this out. LOL!

    Also, I can't seem to find any mention of a sountrack album or single release. Was there one for the movie?

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    I only ever saw the album for sale in a store on Times Square when the picture opened in June/July of 1979. A little fool, me, I did not immediately grab it. - The film is available on region 1 dvd. Every home should have one.

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    And Aretha's LA DIVA? That was terrible.
    It don't mean a thing (if ain't got that swing)

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    Quote Originally Written by Mixmachine

    "Z-licious" is the album, from here "Change" was released on 12" and played in clubs, but McCoy's tunes "Praying for a miracle" and "See" are IMO the best cuts off this LP. they are really nice

    http://www.discomusic.com/records-more/3217_0_2_0_C/

    the Van McCoy penned song "Praying for a miracle" was released on a 7" single in 1974 by Soul Generation, it was produced by Tony Camillo, but after checking this guys discography it looks like this is the only McCoy song they ever recorded. I still prefer Zulema's version.

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    Here , I give you a Van McCoy produced ,arranged, conducted song I never cared for, He uses Faith Hope and Charity with Choice Four, "A Time for Celebration" released in 1976, apparently McCoy got swept up in the Bicentennial Celebrations and was feeling very patriotic when he penned this to a Disco beat. :-o

    This is a time for celebration
    Show the pride in your nation
    raise up your flag with dedication
    feel the spirit of freedom's elation

    etc

    He samples a couple of those patriotic standard I don't know the name of :roll:

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    Quote Originally Written by Disco Funk
    I believe Am I Cold Am I Hot was released on RCA. I have it on Disco Express Vol.2, which was an RCA label compilation released in '75. It featured another Van McCoy track 'So Much Love' by Destiny. The Bill Harris track was release on its own as a 45 only, as far as I know.

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    DiscoFunk, you are right this Bill Harris' track is among McCoy's best, I had no recollection what so ever of this record:-o The 7" has a superb quality for a 45 RPM, Im still trying to figure out, who's voice He reminds me of :icon_neutral: Al Wilson?

    http://www.discomusic.com/records-more/7106_0_2_0_C/

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    I like the Stylistics' 'camp revamp' of 'Cant Help Falling In Love'. I bought it as a 7" single in '76 (when I was 11 :o :-? ). It was a big hit here in the UK getting to #4 in the main pop charts. I've always been a fan of disco versions of boring old MOR or rock songs. For me it should've been done 3 years later & then it would've had syndrums & a zingier rhythm/feel but I still liked it.
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