Difference between Mark and Steve's Studio 54?

**JerseyShoreDJ** · March 8th, 2006, 07:37 PM

What were the major differences between Mark Fleischman and Steve Rubell's Studio 54?

**DiscoMan** · March 9th, 2006, 05:59 AM

The '70s were over...
The generation who reached adulthood during the early to mid '70s were pretty much out of the clubs by '80 - '81.

**conor l** · March 9th, 2006, 06:32 AM

Originally Written by JerseyShoreDJ

What were the major differences between Mark Fleischman and Steve Rubell's Studio 54?

Despite not being from NY or never having gone to the club I can imagine the fact that Steve Rubell lived the party as opposed to just being a business man had a big impact

**Spellbound** · March 9th, 2006, 03:18 PM

Some of the 1970's crowd kept on going out until the mid 1980's but by around 1985 it was all over. After this year a lot of the clubs and the music went to ****. I am only 25 years old and I can recognize how the era ended. I do think there were a lot of tolerable records released during the late 1980's and early 1990's but not on the same level as before. Right now the scene and the music is basically ****. Things will only continue to get worse. My age group is mostly to blame.

all*that*glitters* · March 9th, 2006, 03:54 PM

it's not the Club that makes the Man, it's the Man who makes the Club...in Steve's case LEGENDARY! The rest...well, ORDINARY
all*that*glitters*

**conor l** · March 9th, 2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Written by Spellbound

Some of the 1970's crowd kept on going out until the mid 1980's but by around 1985 it was all over. After this year a lot of the clubs and the music went to ****. I am only 25 years old and I can recognize how the era ended. I do think there were a lot of tolerable records released during the late 1980's and early 1990's but not on the same level as before. Right now the scene and the music is basically ****. Things will only continue to get worse. My age group is mostly to blame.

I dont agree. These things work in cycles and why there may not be another Paradise Garage or Saint around the corner, as long as there are hardcore dance music lovers out there, things wont die.

Most people who say things like that either arent going to the right clubs. If there are no good clubs around you should start your own night. Moaning about it gets you nowhere.

We have a great scene in dublin at the moment and while its not getting written about in magazines or books there is a lot of stuff currently going on that is really inspiring and influential, its just about looking in the right places to find it

**DiscoMan** · March 9th, 2006, 07:49 PM

Between the fall of '78 and summer of '81 EVERYONE in my world (myself included) had gotten married and given up club life. So... I guess I'm saying demographics had a lot to do with the demise of club life in the early '80s. And! And! And! The generation born between '49 and '54 was truly unique.

As much as I get a kick out of Steve Rubell and the shenanigans at Studio 54, always remember that Rubell kissed celebrity ass big time and because of that Studio 54 was on the TeeVee news every night for 2 years and that went a long way to making Studio 54's reputation.
For example people got laid, smoked weed and got blow jobs in every club I went to... :D

**JussiK** · March 10th, 2006, 07:39 AM

Originally Written by DiscoMan

always remember that Rubell kissed celebrity ass big time and because of that Studio 54 was on the TeeVee news every night for 2 years and that went a long way to making Studio 54's reputation.
For example people got laid, smoked weed and got blow jobs in every club I went to... :D

Exactly! I went to both "editions" and while the first original one was entertaining for an hour just to see old people like Truman capote or Diana Ross making fools of themselves trying to do look "glamourous", do drugs and dance (jesus christ what a sight!), the second was just plain boring.
So, away from the Studio in both cases, and on to The Real Action, Dammit!!:-)

**SandraDee** · March 10th, 2006, 12:46 PM

Originally Written by conor l

We have a great scene in dublin at the moment and while its not getting written about in magazines or books there is a lot of stuff currently going on that is really inspiring and influential

Do these places play contemporary music or old dance music? Although it's not as brilliant as the 70s/80s there is good dance music around but you've really got to dig & explore to find it!

**paul** · March 10th, 2006, 01:58 PM

Originally Written by DiscoMan

Between the fall of '78 and summer of '81 EVERYONE in my world (myself included) had gotten married and given up club life. So... I guess I'm saying demographics had a lot to do with the demise of club life in the early '80s. And! And! And! The generation born between '49 and '54 was truly unique.

And I'm...self-absorbed? :roll: :lol:
Anyway, I never went to 54 but I think my experiences parallel what probably happened to 54 and most discos over those periods. Around '81/'82 I definitely saw a change in attitude in the clubs. A lot of things contributed to this change. Aids/herpes, the rise of conservatism, and the infusion of electronica in music come immediately to mind. For good or bad (bad in my opinion), what was a part of the scene from the mid 70s to '82 faded after this period. To get back to your question, I don't think the ownership could have change what happening around them.

**stevieboy32808** · March 10th, 2006, 05:02 PM

I agree with the demographics argument, but I'd like to add my piece to the puzzle. After disco blew up from the underground especially after the Saturday Night Fever movie a lot of major record labels took notice and pushed out record after record of pure disco crap. More disco was being produced than ever before, but the quality due to overcommercialization suffered and as a result sales dropped and the scene died. You can hear for yourselves. Take a nice disco record from the 70's and compare it to some of the garbage that came out in the 80's.

Although remnants of disco still lived on in the 80's under a new name called House named after the club 'Warehouse' in the city of Chicago. A lot of dj's such as Larry Levan and Frankie Knuckles started playing records to a new generation of clubbers. Most of the records that were initially played at the 'Warehouse' were long forgetten classics such as your Salsoul Orchestra and some Philly Soul. The dj's unhappy about the lack of disco that was trickling in the 80's started taking double copies of old disco records and playing tricks with the vinyl. They would repeat parts that would excite the crowd and only give you the meat of the record. After a while the dj's started making their own music at the time and that's when the true house sound was defined.

**discokicks** · March 10th, 2006, 08:30 PM

Man...listen to you guys...lamenting the demise of disco music and criticizing everything that came after it while admitting that club life was over for you anyway because you all got married!

The dance music that came about in the 80s was pretty damn good...really good actually... same with the 90s and yes, even right now. The problem may be that it takes time to sort thru the barrage of garbage out there but that had to happen in the 70s too.

**DiscoMan** · March 10th, 2006, 09:38 PM

I'll take your word for it Discokicks...

In my home town the bottom fell out of the club business during the summer of '79 when many closed. A real shame because the nightclub business in Massachusetts was booming throughout the '70s.

Things are much different today. Young people there seem to enjoy a corner gin mill more than a dance club but perhaps that has more to do with a shitty economy and lack of disposable income than anything else. So much for the democRats and their "Massachusetts Miracle".

I didn't set foot again in a club until a few years ago when a club that hoped to attract an "older" crowd opened. It didn't and closed soon afterward. I still enjoy going to a nightclub and listening the music and dancing...