Clay gay???????

[nrgbeat]

Former Ranger claims he served as Aiken's Claymate

An ex-Army Ranger told the National Enquirer about his alleged motel romp with Clay Aiken (pictured).
Former Army Ranger John Paulus swore he wasn't going to sell out singer Clay Aiken when we contacted him last week about rumors that he'd had sex with the supposedly straight "American Idol" star.

"They couldn't pay me enough to have my pics on the supermarket stand," he told us at the time. "I am not the type of guy that would make life difficult for anyone."

But that was then.

Turn to page 10 of the new National Enquirer, and there's shirtless John Paulus, talking about his alleged hotel "romp" with the 27-year-old Aiken.

"On Dec. 16, using the screen name of 'valleyprettyboy,' Clay sent me his first instant message," Paulus claims.

He contends that, after a month's correspondence, Clay admitted he wanted a "discreet bf."

After arranging a meeting at a Quality Inn in Garner, N.C., Paulus says, "Clay told me his ex-lover was selfish and mean. And within five minutes he started to feel my arms and put his hands on my leg.

"We started to mess around and Clay said he wanted to have sex with me. Before I knew it, we were having unprotected sex.

"He kept telling me, 'We're going to do this many more times.'"

Enquirer editors say Paulus has passed a lie-detector test. He's also said to have saved his instant-message exchanges with Aiken, as well as a DNA-encrusted washrag. Not that he was planning to sell his tale, or anything.

Aiken has repeatedly denied he is gay. His rep declined comment.

[discokicks]

I'd have to say that the media and the world still has a hell of a long way to go when the only identity that we associate with Clay Aiken is the assumed fact that the guy may be gay. Other than knowing he was an American Idol runner-up, I can't name one song that I'd recognize as his. The only thing that keeps his name out there is this gay reference. His name, along with the Brokeback Mountain jibs and jabs, are all just getting a bit tiring seeing that being gay is still looked at as something to make fun of...a punching bag when all other jokes fail.

We're coming up to almost 40 years since the Stonewall riots brought us out to the light....guess it's going to take at least a couple more generations before we start to see any improvement.

[nrgbeat]

Here's a pic of the guy Clay allegedly had unprotected sex with.

http://logopolis.typepad.com/photos/...johnpaulus.jpg

[Angelina77]

Well I thought Clay would have better taste than that What's the big freakin deal if he is if he isn't? Does it help us sleep better at night knowing one way or another? I don't see the reasoning nowadays as to why you'd hide it anyhow. It's come to be as normal as being straight. But then again I'm from L.A. Everything goes here in Hollywood

[Videoskooter]

Here's a pic of that Aiken dude. But...who the hell is Clay Aiken???? :o

[nrgbeat]

Nine former fans of American Idol star Clay Aiken are forging ahead with threats to sue his record label bosses for false advertising.

The one-time devotees have been shocked by recent US tabloid claims the wholesome pop singer is gay and they've filed a Federal Trade Commission complain against executives at RCA and Sony/BMG, alleging they were duped in marketing and promotional campaigns.

The nine-strong group, listing themselves as "aggrieved consumers" Susan J, Patricia A, Jacquelyn C, Karen G, Phyllis S, Carol M, Karen G, Kim M and Linda F, hail from all over America.

They allege that employees of RCA, Sony/BMG, and Aiken himself "engaged in collusion to prevent public disclosures they believed might be harmful to their product".

The angry ladies go on to state, "This is tantamount to a manufacturer concealing information about a defective product. Therefore these actions were both unfair and deceptive to consumers."

A spokeswoman for the group says, "As consumers, we feel ripped off. It is obvious now that the private Clay is very different from the manufactured packaged public Clay that was marketed to us."

The group is asking the FTC to investigate the practices of the record companies, to invoke civil penalties where appropriate, and to enjoin the companies from violating the Federal Trade Commission Act.

[discokicks]

Nine former fans of American Idol star Clay Aiken are forging ahead with threats to sue his record label bosses for false advertising.

The one-time devotees have been shocked by recent US tabloid claims the wholesome pop singer is gay and they've filed a Federal Trade Commission complain against executives at RCA and Sony/BMG, alleging they were duped in marketing and promotional campaigns.

The nine-strong group, listing themselves as "aggrieved consumers" Susan J, Patricia A, Jacquelyn C, Karen G, Phyllis S, Carol M, Karen G, Kim M and Linda F, hail from all over America.

They allege that employees of RCA, Sony/BMG, and Aiken himself "engaged in collusion to prevent public disclosures they believed might be harmful to their product".

The angry ladies go on to state, "This is tantamount to a manufacturer concealing information about a defective product. Therefore these actions were both unfair and deceptive to consumers."

A spokeswoman for the group says, "As consumers, we feel ripped off. It is obvious now that the private Clay is very different from the manufactured packaged public Clay that was marketed to us."

Hmmmm...guess we could have sued the members of the group KISS for false representation. Their strange looks and all that...who knew they weren't born that way? :o

There is so much wrong with this scenario. I notice that it's all women in the list who threaten legal action. I think the best remedy for them is to tell them to get therapy and join the thousands upon thousands of other women who were duped by the gay men they fell in love with.

[remicks]

The angry ladies go on to state, "This is tantamount to a manufacturer concealing information about a defective product. .

Wouldn't that be more like his CD having a pressing flaw :roll: ......

The nine-strong group, listing themselves as "aggrieved consumers" Susan J, Patricia A, Jacquelyn C, Karen G, Phyllis S, Carol M, Karen G, Kim M and Linda F, hail from all over America.

Clay is considering counter sueing ..... he never intended any of his love songs to be taken to heart by such desperate mall hags .....

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[Mixmachine]

Nine former fans of American Idol star Clay Aiken are forging ahead with threats to sue his record label bosses for false advertising.
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well, I guess you get what you sow, after all Ultra Liberals are the only one responsible for marching to court and introducing absurdity into our Justice System and legislative process and along the way making a mockery of our long established Institutions, cultural traditions and plain old “Common sense”.

Recently I saw a piece where a new study concludes that “Ugly” people are subjected to ridicule though life and grow up in un- proportional numbers to be *Failures* , and therefore are more predispose to commit crimes and unjustly incarcerated, Don’t be surprise if liberals start pushing in court for special *rights* and privileges for ugly people next.

I also remember inner cities obese people suing fast food chains because this is the only readily available food in their depressed neighborhoods and therefore they (Corporations) should be responsible for the high rates of obesity and related deceases.. This are the kind of destructive ludicrous and irrational ideas that Liberals are pushing in our courts and on Society at large.
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[nrgbeat]

I think it's safe to say the ultra conservatives would be more bothered by Clay being a gay man.

[discokicks]

well, I guess you get what you sow, after all Ultra Liberals are the only one responsible for marching to court and introducing absurdity into our Justice System and legislative process and along the way making a mockery of our long established Institutions, cultural traditions and plain old “Common sense”.

No...I'd say you can thank human greed and money-hungry lawyers for the messy justice system. For every person who's been wronged in life, there's a smiling attorney with dollar signs in his eyes just waiting to help 'heal' their pain.

[Videoskooter]

I think all this Idol/X-Factor/Star Academy-stuff is getting way out of proportions.

They take some idiotic teens, cover them in a sauce of prefab-popmusic, put some hyped-fashion humbug over them and feed them to a public that has really nothing better to do with their lives than hanging before the television the whole evening and start wars around the absolute nothing!

And as Mix points it out very correctly. The ultra-liberals always have their mouth full of political correctness and freedom and all they are really doing is make a goddamn law for everybody and everything and create a society where over-regulation is the new dogma.

The hell with those prophets of fake and hypocrisy.

And for those girlies that are taking this guy to court for apparently not admitting that he is gay: Go play with your pathetic Barbies and put on your f**king Michael Bolton records. Okay :evil:

[DiscoMan]

So there really is such a place as "Bareback Mountain"!? :o

[discokicks]

Somewhere along the line, something's gone amiss with this topic. Exactly how can 'ultra-liberals' be blamed for the situation of a gay man who didn't disclose his true sexuality because of his musical career and his female admirers who feel wronged because they didn't know about his homosexuality?

If anything, if it weren't for ultra-conservatives and their close-mindedness, gays wouldn't still feel the need to remain in the closet in order to feel safer and to protect their careers as well as hide their inner shame about who they are. That's the issue here and that's the issue we see time and time again with every person who's been outed by the media.

[Videoskooter]

Somewhere along the line, something's gone amiss with this topic

That's right. We're mixing up two topics here. I was replying to Mix's statement on which I agree 100%. But it has nothing to do with the Aiken-topic itself. What Mix is pointing out was IMO the fact that everybody starts sueing everybody in the US right now for the most crazy reasons. So, those brats are taking him to court, not coz' they don't like his song but coz'they are dissapointed they probably won't marry him? If you would open a case like that in a Belgian court you would be convicted for wasting taxmoney and Justice's time!!

So,if I go to Starbucks tomorrow and I order a coffee and I stick a spoon in my eye, I have to sue Starbucks for millions of dollars? Because I am clumsey, I have to take someone to court? That's your current ultra-liberal judicial system, folks! And that has nothing to do with outing, or being anti-gay or whatsoever! Those girliez should be grounded for a few months without television. That's what I call EDUCATION! "Oh daddy, weep-weep, I was in love with Aiken and now he's, weep-weep gay" "OMG, honey, let's go to court and sue that bastard, I need a new car"

I try again: what we have here is a manufactured star, right? Some business-people (who are laughing their asses off and counting their money while reading stuff like this) launch a product. After a while some people discover that the product is not exactly what they "bought" and now they want a refund, right?

Now, I'm very sorry to say this but if you are faking, like Aiken apparently did, you take the consequences. In other words, if you sell out to a junkshow like that, don't come crying when the **** hits the fence, right?

So that's the point we reached in popmusic. The voice, not important! The songs, not important! Talent, not important! The package, the product, the unit, that's what we are dealing with.

The industry is poisoned by jerks that don't know music but only bank-accounts, stocks and marketing (yeah Madonna, you're one of them too) and still so many people watch that crap, listen to that crap and buy that crap.

And tell me: the whole issue of Aiken being gay or not? You're talking about it, right? Ever come to your minds that it was intended to be a discussion? First rule of publicity: "I don't care what they say about me, as long as they spell my name right"

Bring back the times where local talents were discoverd by A&R managers who signed them for what they are and the songs they wrote and stop these fake talentscouting shows.

We have the same crap in Belgium. The winners are forgotten after six months.

And in Belgium people don't give a damn if somebody's gay or not. It just isn't an issue here.

But, carry on, let them fool ya! They're filling their pockets!

[Mixmachine]

Somewhere along the line, something's gone amiss with this topic. Exactly how can 'ultra-liberals' be blamed for the situation of a gay man who didn't disclose his true sexuality because of his musical career and his female admirers who feel wronged because they didn't know about his homosexuality?

Because the Liberals are the ones that have removed the principle of “personal responsibility “ from our society, today many people believe they are not responsible for their own stupidity (or actions), they need to blame someone else,(usually government) in this case the “women” here are stupid idiots that believe the hype they get from the Media , but instead of accepting their own naiveté and stupidity they want to blame (and sue) somebody else. They got that way because of Liberals.

I gave you above two other supporting examples of how Ultra Liberals twist the facts and fabricate “Hardships” to use in court to extort monies from Corporations, (yeah, using Liberal greedy Lawyers) we all as consumers are adversely affected by this frivolous litigations even if they settle the case out of court, someone has to pay for the time and money Corporations spend fighting this cases, and we all pay in the form of higher prices every time you step into any Retail Store or request any services. Liberals are responsible for this.

Litigants in this Aiken case may be ultra –conservative type , I don’t know, but if they are it is very ironic as they are using tactics introduced by the liberals, they are twisting and stretching the facts to make a frivolous case against corporations and individuals, in the not to distant past no one would’ve dreamt of taking a case like this to court, but since Liberals long ago opened that door and all but eliminated the concept of “personal responsibility” and common sense everything and everyone is fare game now and we all pay because of this. welcome to the "Just" world created by Liberal ideas and concepts.
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[paul]

so don't think I'm not reading this. Out of respect for nrg's post I'm ignoring the ridiculous reasoning I see posted here. :roll:

[Davicillo]

This happens in the UK by certain so called newspapers outing people with high public profiles.

[discokicks]

Because the Liberals are the ones that have removed the principle of “personal responsibility “ from our society, today many people believe they are not responsible for their own stupidity (or actions), they need to blame someone else,(usually government) in this case the “women” here are stupid idiots that believe the hype they get from the Media , but instead of accepting their own naiveté and stupidity they want to blame (and sue) somebody else. They got that way because of Liberals.

Although, I can't argue with the inanity of lawsuits and the waste of time and money on the judicial system, can you really put full blame on those you categorize as 'liberals'?

The only 'blame' we can put on the liberally-minded is "their" suggestion that not every situation in life is a black and white issue...that there is a reason for every action. Perhaps this opened the door to consideration and fairness but this is hardly a bad thing for society.

The bad side to this, unfortunately, is the attraction of personal gain for the opportunist...so some people seek legal action thinking that a wad of cash in their hand is going to help them get over their personal woes.

...since Liberals long ago opened that door and all but eliminated the concept of “personal responsibility” and common sense everything and everyone is fare game now and we all pay because of this. welcome to the "Just" world created by Liberal ideas and concepts.
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Lack of personal responsibility may be one of the disadvantages of a society that stresses fairness and compassion for its citizens but what's the alternative? Sticking to a book of the rules of life may seem like an easier way to live (the conservative thinking), but there is simply too wide an array of individuals and differences out there to keep that book updated.

And believe me, I would be the last one to condone stupid legal actions such as fans suing a company for seemingly pulling the wool over their eyes in regards to their client, I'm just not willing to let ultra-liberals be the total cause of the desecration of the justice system.

[discokicks]

So that's the point we reached in popmusic. The voice, not important! The songs, not important! Talent, not important! The package, the product, the unit, that's what we are dealing with.

The industry is poisoned by jerks that don't know music but only bank-accounts, stocks and marketing (yeah Madonna, you're one of them too) and still so many people watch that crap, listen to that crap and buy that crap.

Totally in agreeance here....I tuned out listening to the radio some time in the mid 80's hating the way music was programmed and marketed. It may have been me personally opening my eyes to the world...specifically the music world...but my passion for music just wasn't coinciding with the 'progression' music started to take.

Today we see very little in the way of genuine talent....just puppets in the hands of corporations who pull the strings. Sadly, it's not just the strings of their performers but the listening audience as well. Young people today are easily manipulated and pressured...a result of uncontrolled and insincere media marketing.

I have endured twenty plus years of 'anything by Madonna' requests at my dj door and with this latest album, she is the definitive Pied Piper. You would swear these kids have been hypnotized by the Madonna/ Britney/ Christina production companies.

Thank goodness for the saner views of those at discomusic.com 8)

[Videoskooter]

Discokicks, that's the point! The 80's sucked BIG TIME (and I know some of the members here hate me for saying that). It was the period where the decline of the Music empire started.

So, Disco sucked??? And what have the morons, who were chanting that phrase 24/7, given us???? FM-Rock, Whitney Houston, Flock Of Seagulls, Madonna (who clearly stated she hated Disco and now is preaching that it is divine music). And later: N'Sync, Backstreet Boys. Where was the Soul in all that music? It was BULL, produced and marketed by slick Yuppies who can't read a note of music!

And radiostations? Formats? The only format is Wall Street. I owned two stations and I closed them down because Liberal and Socialist politicians (Yes Paul, I'm sorry, but it's a true fact, one of them is now prime minister of Belgium, he and his baby brother) were harrassing me, and a few other owners, to become member of their chain or they would bankrupt me and jail me, if we didn't give up our frequencies. So I told them to go F**k themselves and I sold my frequencies to a very powerful foreign chain (Scandinavian) and they could only sit and watch!

What's the connection with this topic? The faking started in the 80's and has now become global and dominant. Be what you are and don't let a greedy manager turn you into something you are not because the truth will always be revealed!

You know, I just bought the Boris Midney Anthology which was recently re-released by Universal (2005). So I think, I hope that some of the sharks are realising that not everybody is following their fascist way of deciding what music you have to like.

You know, one of the finalists of the Belgian Idol 2005, is now telling every magazine that he has just discovered that he is bisexual! And, scuse me, but I happen to know his sister who told me that he's strictly straight but wants to be more popular in gay circles.

ARTISTS??????? No, they're pimps and hustlers!

Be proud of who and what you are and learn to take responsibility for your actions instead of always blaming society and everybody else!

[remicks]

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---------------- The “ liberal lawyers gone wild” is another one of those exploitive myths the greedy right uses to attempt to fool the masses into thinking that an individual’s right to dignity and retribution ….especially against monster sized corporations through the equalizing power of law suits …. as something undeserving and “frivolous” :evil:

Lawsuits are the great equalizer .... especially for those of us at the bottom .... meaning the trusting consumer . It's our one avenue to screw back those that don't mind making a buck by intentionally screwing YOU.......

The intentionally overly showcased "McDonalds hot coffee" suits are few and far between …and even the details of that case have been bastardized by the corporate media machine who have their own same interests in doing so .


When lil’ ol’ you sues for being wronged …. .. its frivolous .... yet all these giant corporations and business interests have literal full-time armies of legal teams eager to sue everyone around them left and right ….. including each other at the drop of a hat ... …for any and all things they can find that might in any way impact their intentions to pocket every possible penny being minted !

But ....... if YOU sue and ten others like you …. because your knowingly faultily produced FORD RANGER explodes on impact and burns up your entire family ….
frivolous !!!!

:P :P :P

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[Videoskooter]

No Remicks, sueing Ford is very legit!!!! The point here are the stupid idiotic girlz who are sueing an artist because he's apparently gay and was hiding that fact!

Comparing that case with a legal and rightful lawsuit against a big company is ridiculous, I'm sorry. I'm ready to have a serious discussion but not on this level! If I want to spend time on arguments like that, I'll tune in to salon.commie

What I'm trying to say is that some of those lawsuits, like the one against Aikin is bull. What you and Paul are trying to do is to turn this into a leftist-we are the only ones who know what is good for the people and if you don't agree you are a rich rightwing fascist-humbug conversation.

So, the people vs. Ford is equal to the brats vs. Aiken??? Come on, Remicks, you're a smart guy, don't say it is!

[Videoskooter]

They allege that employees of RCA, Sony/BMG, and Aiken himself "engaged in collusion to prevent public disclosures they believed might be harmful to their product".

The angry ladies go on to state, "This is tantamount to a manufacturer concealing information about a defective product. Therefore these actions were both unfair and deceptive to consumers."

A spokeswoman for the group says, "As consumers, we feel ripped off. It is obvious now that the private Clay is very different from the manufactured packaged public Clay that was marketed to us."

Federal Trade Commission Act.

Is this serious??? I think we're still talking about a HUMAN being, not a goddamn product. You know what, If this bull continues I'll sue those brats under the Belgian law of discrimination.

[remicks]

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I was responding to the slant Mixmachine was giving this . Of course this lawsuit is frivilous .... but .... it comes from the right ... from some uptight mall hags who demand a guarantee that their fantasy pop-singer lover not be ( horrors :o ) gay :lol: ( What will the uptighht right do next .....pass laws requiring singers to reveal their "true' sexuality !! :lol: :lol: )

So to attach this to the "liberal lawyers gone wild" mantra .... this example illustrates that the lawsuit areana is played from all sides and is not about "liberals" like the Limbaugh types are trying to steer some of us into thinking . That's the point.

What the big boys want to do is make it as impossible as possible for the lil' guy to sue .... they pretend its about hot coffee or Clay Aiken .... but its really also about exploding Ford Rangers ...
....... In the end ..... so what ..... let this silly case run its course .... and it'll go away .... I'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bath water .... The right to sue is sacred.... ask any corporation ...

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