Credit Frankie Valli for TURN THE BEAT AROUND ....

[remicks]

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???? Frankie Valli begat Vicki Sue ???? :P

Well .... without the production of his 1975 disco rendition of OUR DAY WILL COME .... perhaps the components of what would then be further incorporated to become the Vicki Sue Robinson signature sound .... might not have come to be ....

(Swearin' to god : there goes remicks again :roll: .....with his wild misinterpretations of the way things came to be !!! :P :P )

Well the proof is in the music itself .....so first of all just try to listen to the luscious 5:40 OUR DAY WILL COME without noticing the familiar TURN THE BEAT AROUND sound churning along within ...

Finding that interesting ..... while still listening, a closer review of the Frankie Valli album jacket is most revealing .....


To start with , both records were created and recorded in New York City .....
....so that helps to some degree with their shared environmental influences .

More importantly these are some of the key players both projects used:

Both made use of The New York City Strings

Both feature :

--- the contractor work of ..... Artie Kaplan
--- the vibe and percussion of … George Devons
--- as well as the congas of ... Carlos Martin
iow .... (love to hear percussion ..... on .... OUR DAY WILL COME )

The most important tie-in though is who was then chosen by producers Hank Medress & Dave Appell to arrange the strings and horns on the Frankie Valli tune .....

none other than one Warren Schatz ... 8)

Now Schatz's duties were to structure the horns and strings of OUR DAY WILL COME .... but he must have been impressed by the way it was the input of the beatmakers that turned it upside down.

When Warren then took to the full helm in producing Vicki Sue .... I guess he so liked what he'd heard at those Frankie Valli sessions .... he , thankfully, sought out some of the same key players from them that would then work together again under him ..... the results being the making of that definitive rat tat tat sound of
..... Miss Vicki Sue Robinson ........

8)

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[Disco Funk]

Good ear. Now that I listen to it (the title song), there is that trademark Warren Schatz/Bhen Lanzaroni sound. I hear it in the way the bongos/congas are being played. Something must have clicked after that Disco Soul album they produced for The Brothers, because that album sounded rather muzak-like compared to what they did on every album produced afterwards.

I'll have to get my hands on this record to add it to my Warren Schatz-related collection! :)

Disco Funk

[remicks]

I'll have to get my hands on this record to add it to my Warren Schatz-related collection! :)

Disco Funk

I knew you'd be interested in this DF !!!
I think you'll be happy with the album ..... the whole thing is worth listening to.... and you'll especially want to listen to the 3 of the 9 cuts
Warren Schatz worked on .... OUR DAY WILL COME and
HEART BE STILL
yep ... the same song that Carl Graves--- ( Calgory Canada ) --- charted with.
and CARRIE ( I WOULD MARRY YOU ).

Bhen Lanzaroni had nothing to do with this project .... which suggests to me that a large degree of the Vicki Sue sound needs to be credited directly to :

Carlos Martin and George Devons .

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[Disco Funk]

[quote="remicks"]

Bhen Lanzaroni had nothing to do with this project .... which suggests to me that a large degree of the Vicki Sue sound needs to be credited directly to :

Carlos Martin and George Devons .

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LOL! Silly me! I was going through my stuff looking for another record when I stumbled across 'Our Day Will Come'. So I already had the frickin' album! I checked out the credits on the back - another name of importance attached to The Brothers/Warren Schatz is sax player George Young.

Disco Funk

[remicks]

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The original post was presented as pure speculation ( who- me!?) based on observations of the cast of participants - as I don't know within that year 1975 which Warren Schatz project was recorded when . Perhaps Schatz was already working w/ Vicki on NEVER GONNA LET YOU GO when he worked w/ Frankie ( I don't know ... anybody else???) .

All I know is the distinctive VICKI SUE ROBINSON SOUND is very pronounced in the Frankie Valli song and shame on the DJs of the day for not zeroing in on it.

Frankie Valli has always been a friend to disco ...all the way thru the era .....but for some reason , regardless of the huge success of SWEARIN' TO GOD , the dj's failed to respond to this pristine application of that early disco sound. (remake overload perhaps ???)


Truncated version:




So - this is one that won't find mention on Marky's Compilation Charts .... it's forever part of the secret disco that somehow slipped through the cracks of the crowded dance floor .


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correction:

I'm realizing that OUR DAY WILL COME charted on the Billboard Hot 100:

wiki:

??/1975 Frankie Valli - Our Day Will Come (#11)/You Can Bet (Private Stock PS 45,043)

no wonder it sounds so familair to me.
so it isn't exactly "secret" disco .... more like another example of "POP" disco that got snubbed by DJ's who had "too cool to play that" reputations to uphold!


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revision:

it has been called to my attention by the chartmaster that while OUR DAY WILL COME did not become a huge club record .... it was NOT totally ignored:

1975 Year-end Disco Compilation Consensus:

#241) OUR DAY WILL COME - Frankie Valli (w/ Patti Austin)
(Private Stock) C= 6; D= 16; F= 1; Total points = 23
4 weeks on the chart (10/25 - 11/1; 11/15 - 11/22/75); Peak: #23

so some DJs did hear in it its' potential.
good !!! {smiley, cool}

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[SandraDee]

I notice that the background vocalists on this LP included Sharon Redd & David Lasley, & the drummer was Alan Schwartzberg who's name often crops up on 70s disco records.