Hi, it's me, The Ultimate Bee Gees Fan, probably despised most by wet blankets like Quinny, probably
the most musically inept person I've ever come across.
I'm (along with people such as Remicks) probably one ofthe biggest thorns in people like Quinny's side. It's been a while since I've been on the site here, so it feels good to get back in forums.
As one person said on my thread about the Bee Gees being
purposely left out of conversation and acclaim, people in Continental Europe loved to just get down to
good music and not analyze every song to see if it met of their snobbish approval. That's where a big difference
is with people like Quinny and Continental Europeans. Quinny is British, not Continental, so that's why I surmise
that he is so musically inept or unappreciative of, or hating of unique music like that of the Bee Gees or
Isaac Hayes like Remicks talked about. Most good songwriters are not of the British Isles originally
when you look at who wrote those songs. There's a lot from Continental Europe, like Germany, with a lot being Jews
or as the guy of Forbidden Knowledge,com likes to call most European Jews, False Jews, the ones that came from Khazaria
or however it's spelled, the Khazar people. Anyways, not to get into too much of an historical analysis, I wanted
to say that it's the people who appreciate the music from first hearing it, and not whether it meets their strict
rules of what's good or not, whatever that weird criteria is, that really can appreciate music for what it is.
Now, with England being a mix of peoples, with the original Britons, the Saxons, The Normans, and the Scots up North,
it's difficult, probably to categorize the English as they're made up of many different kinds of people.
Now when I say there's a lot of good Germanic songwriters, I'm not saying only Germans are good at writing music,
or even all Germanic groups. (and I'm not referring to Scandavian groups) (There's many different cultural groups in a country like Germany, which range from
the Southern regions like Bavaria to the Northern regions like Saxony.)
And the fact that many awesome bands came out England back in the day, doesn't discredit me, since England is
made up so many ethnic groups. And I'm not saying all Celts can't write good music, it just seems, after looking
origins of much music, that I don't get the imoression that there's much from there. Of course there's greats like
John Lennon, but look at his solo career after the Beatles-it sucked. Which leads me to believe that Paul was
the driving force behind the music, and by music I mean music, not lyrics, which are words set to the music.
(Bjorn and Benny from Abba had some good things to say about songs, when they said they wrote the music first, then
the lyrics, because it's the music that really has the emotional content in it with the lyrics coming after so the
voices can say something. (of course after time words do trigger certain emotions in our brain, but that's because
of conditioning, not initial impression like music is. As of a France, one f the Western European countries,
it seems like they are more strong when it comes to visual art and things like that, not to say that aren't good
French composers, there are. As of Spain and Italy, there's talent of all kinds there, with many good composers,
I'm sure, but it doesn't stand out as a major influence. Eastern Europe, with many different countries is quite
diverse, but held together culturally by the fact they speak Slavic languages, which though different have many
commonalities and such. When looking at Russian composers for example, there are many good, rich songs, with
awesome melodies. Of course, the Soviet Union suppressed music like the West had in its commercial way, but there's
a lot of good Soviet music, and it's not just marching songs, but a wide variety. The soviet Army chorus and band
is a great example, just listen to all their great melodies. (Russian is a language that almost seems musical)
Of course, America during the late 60's and all of the 70's was, and probably always will be, the greatest musical
place of production ever. And to just to let you know, I'm of Continental and British Isles hertiage, paternally
being of (south) German and Polish heritage and maternally being English and Irish. Now, I'm Not saying that songwriting is
all about one's ethnicity. It's just that I consider some ethnic groups to be more musical than others.
When it comes to Africa, there's so many groups, I'm not going to even delve into it.
The thing is, the debate between Remicks (you're the one who has the musical ears) and Quinny and those others
(who are idiots musically, even though they know a lot of facts about this and that, but can't address the actual
music) is a debate between the kind of thought that appreciates music that is good no matter who made it, or what
the lyrics are (remember, it's the music that's important, lyrics are more of a filler for the voices to have something
sing) and the non-Continental thought of people like Quinny, who can't appreciate great bands like the Bee Gees,
acknowledge their great disco tunes. Now, the Bee Gees, being an English group, definitely weren't your typical
English group. I seem to remember an article saying that the Gibbs' father was part Russian or something like
that, which could really mean he was part Jewish or what have you, Jews are the most traveled of all groups.
SurnameDB: Gibb surname meaning
Now, there's only so much one can garner when it comes to last names, but one thing that's always clear is what they
look like.
And another clear thing is what music sounds like.
Remember that saying from the Bible, 'By their fruits ye shall know them'. It applies to music also.
Anyways, when it comes to the debate about Isaac Hayes and James Brown, Hayes was definitely more disco because of
his lush melodies and smooth style of music. Brown just rambled on his songs, often with no discernable vocal melody.
That's another reason I don't consider him to be disco. Disco was about finely tuned songs-that's why disco was about
pre-recorded music instead of live performances for the most part. People who like disco like perfection in music,
and James Brown wasn't that melodically in his voice. He had funk, but wasn't very much disco, in fact, I'd say he's
nothing like disco. His vocals are a big reason-no unique sounding melody much of the time. Isaac Hayes had more clean cut tunes,
with lots of instrumentals, and of course ones with his voice, which is a lot better in its attainment of a melody
since he was better with melodies than Brown. Disco is about melody and of course that disco beat, although there are
disco-ish songs that have slow beats for just listening peacefully to, as opposed to dancing. I have to agree with
Remicks, strings are definitely a BIG part of disco. So are other things like horns, which are definitely important
as well, keyboards that don't alwasy have the sound of a traditional piano. Now, some would say disco is aboitu all real
instruments, that is, nothing electronic, or artificially produced. I would argure that that would be a stylistic
difference which doesn't mean it's not disco. There are plenty of disco tunes that have synth keyoboards and such.
But strings, horns, bass, that disco drumbeat, and of course nice unique melodies are what make disco.
I like Voyage's East to West, in fact I had a love affair with it, musically last summer, and other tunes like
Souvenirs by them as well this one great tune I can't find on youtube called Orient Express I believe.
(IO collect a lot of vinyl so I listen to all the tracks in their original glorious 70s analog form, which I like better
than digital for so many reasons, namely, that analog is better when you have a clean record, is more real sounding,
and also the fact that music from the analog days is better than music these days.
So when it comes to James Brown, I'd say he's more of an alternative to disco, a type of music that's not really disco, as his vocals haven't much of a melody to them, smooth or not, though I'd argue smooth voices are more in the disco style. There are elements of Brown's music that are like disco, but they're not put together right-he had the parts for the car, but they weren't put together the right way, (back atcha Quinny!) like Isaac Hayes's music was-nice and well made. I can see where all the JB people are getting their fuel-JB proclaiming himself discoman, and having people dance to his funk (heck, I'd say George Clinton and Parliament are better funk than Brown) but Hayes is definitely more disco. Smooth strings, 70's style use of horns, wah wah guitar, synthsesizers in the 70's style, (80's suck)
and smooth vocals with discernable & good melodies or at least discernable unlike JB who was all over the place melodically in his voice.
For now, I'm takign a break, but I'll be back to battle the forces of thick headed, musically inept people like Quinny soon.
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There was a reaction, particularly among New York's gays, to rock music's domination of the airwaves. People still wanted to dance, but the counterculture had demonized dance music. Funk music served an audience that was tired of guitar solos and boogie rhythms. Black people used to organize dance parties. Persecuted by the public opinion and by puritan sects, gays had created social islands within the metropolis. Their night clubs were as segregated as the black churches in the 1950s. Gays took the same idea of the black dance parties and used the same music for their parties that shared the same private clubs, soon to be known as "discos". Discos became so successful that they transformed rapidly from marginalized, discriminated and underground phenomenon to a chic craze for the yuppies." 
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