Reply With QuoteYes, many of the UK pressings were different. Sometimes better, sometimes worse.Originally Written by discohunter
Indie Release [Level 4]
Do some UK 12" have different mixes (or simply edited/shortened) to their US counterparts?
Reason I ask is through my searching for stuff on eBay and Gemm I've sometimes noticed different timings between a US and UK copy.
For example Bonnie Boyer's Got To Give In To Love on the uS 12" is listed as 7.04, yet saw a UK copy on ebay listed as running 5.54 I think
discohunter
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Yes, many of the UK pressings were different. Sometimes better, sometimes worse.
Indie Release [Level 4]
Another example is the hard to find "Whistle Bump" by Deodato. The UK pressing is around 4:40 but the US pressing runs to 7 mins plus...
Gold Record [Level 7]
The original "Stars on 45" medley was started in Holland and the group was then known as The Leeves. The song was titled "Let's Do It" and the backround beat was very thin. When it came to America it was funked up and given a fatter sound.
In the 70's, very few songs were remixed from their original. Unlike today, where you can take a ballad or hip hop record and mix it to a club song, there are only a few American acts where the 12 inch mix was completly different from the original record.
One is "Heaven Must Have Sent You" by Bonnie Pointer. Listen to the album mix against the 12 inch mix.
Another is "Don't You Feel My Love" by George McCrea.
Can anybody think of any other?
I was a DJ in Germany in the late 70's and one of the biggest hits was "Born To Be Alive" by Patrick Hernandez. But it only came out in a 7 inch, 3 minute version. Dj's were crying for a remix. I think they only intended it to be a pop song. Then they released a 5 minute 12 inch version with the instrumental break in the middle. By the time it came to the US it had been extended to 7:27.
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DD Sound : Cafe
The dubbish Jonathan Fearing remix on Emergency Records is radically different from the original European vocal version.
Gold Record [Level 7]
You are right on. I like the vocal. I have both of those versions and the remix one that was done in 2000.
Platinum Record [Level 8]
I haven't come across any shorter versions, but they did release a longer version of a song - Enjoy Yourself by The Jacksons. There wasn't a US version of that 12"/7" extended edit. Epic in the UK just created it by repeating the song by editing at the break sections, which you hear at the beginning and middle of the song. So instead of 3 minutes it became 5.
I'm also not so crazy about the 45 rpm UK 12"s versus the 33 US counterparts.
Disco Funk
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I always wondered why most of the UK 12" didn't have the time duration of the track NOT printed on the label unlike every other country pressing
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I have asked this question many times, okay cursed the Brits under my breathe, about why they never included timing info on their records. A major annoyance especially when trying to put together comps.
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I guess we've never had a fixation with timings. We don't understand why you guys are so uptight about it.
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Yeah right. You are the guys (Brits) paying mega bucks for records with different timings or longer versions. If you want to leave off useless info why bother putting the record label name and logo on the label?I guess we've never had a fixation with timings. We don't understand why you guys are so uptight about it.
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Bernie: Only certain guys are paying those mega bucks and they're obviously as fixated as you guys. :lol: :lol: :lol: It's interesting to note that you didn't baulk at the suggestion of being fixated, so I guess you agree.Yeah right. You are the guys (Brits) paying mega bucks for records with different timings or longer versions. If you want to leave off useless info why bother putting the record label name and logo on the label?I guess we've never had a fixation with timings. We don't understand why you guys are so uptight about it.
As for label info and logo....we have to know something about what's costing sooo much.
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Quinny,
Has nothing to do with being fixated on time, but if one is going to purchase a 12 inch single, you'd want to know if the version is longer/different than the LP... I think it was a marketing ploy by the UK labels to deceive (via lack of timing info) the buying public. How would the public know what they were getting, until after they bought it, that the version on the 12" might be the same as on a 7" or album. If they had know this, they may not have bought it. What makes me believe this even more is that British LPs usually had the times on the label or jacket. Besides, as a working DJ you would need to know the timing of a record to help create a playlist. Pretty basic info if you ask me.
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Bernie: I can safely say that whether or not a 12" was same or different length never bothered me. I just played what I bought. It could be a tad frustrating if I read about a new mix and couldn't buy it, for whatever reason, but that very rarely happened. Quite often an LP would only be released if the 12" did some business. I mostly bought 12" singles (plus the odd few 7", mainly slowies) after 1977 and was never into LPs in a big way, so.....no worries for me personally. Singles were simply more dynamic and had a true instantaneous, hedonistic, pop appeal. In my own mind, LPs were bought by accountants (more bang for their bucks) and more serious/older clientele.
The actual timing of a track wouldn't affect my programming as a Disco DJ. Radio might be a different matter, but even there, you can wing it quite successfully. Unless a record has a cold ending and you intend using it as a final record before a news break, I can't see a problem (and how many disco record 12" mixes had cold endings?).
Gold Record [Level 7]
no l.ps were bought by the upfront d.js who wanted to give the people what they wanted,the latest music and get the crowds in to please the management, even if that track was coming out next week on a single they still needed the l.p if they only got a weeks use out of it.
where i clubbed i never heard a d.j say i dont buy imports they are too expensive, oh i dont bother with l.ps and its worth noting all those d.js are still working today
my favourite club levines blackpool mecca had people coming from every corner of the u.k [lots from southampton too and i aint making that up]quite an achievement for a club that closed at 2 a.m then everyone would travel down to wigan or across to the east coat to cleethorpes to an all nighter, sorry to say it quinny i wouldnt have walked round the corner to your club
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DD: I've just about had enough of your continuing pious shite!!!no l.ps were bought by the upfront d.js who wanted to give the people what they wanted,the latest music and get the crowds in to please the management, even if that track was coming out next week on a single they still needed the l.p if they only got a weeks use out of it.
where i clubbed i never heard a d.j say i dont buy imports they are too expensive, oh i dont bother with l.ps and its worth noting all those d.js are still working today
my favourite club levines blackpool mecca had people coming from every corner of the u.k [lots from southampton too and i aint making that up]quite an achievement for a club that closed at 2 a.m then everyone would travel down to wigan or across to the east coat to cleethorpes to an all nighter, sorry to say it quinny i wouldnt have walked round the corner to your club
FYI: I have never liked LPs, even by my favourite artists. I just find LPs rather boring as a concept. No LP has ever satisfied me musically or spiritually.
Perhaps you never heard of a DJ who never bought imports (when have I ever said that I didn't) or didn't buy LPs in scouse land, but I doubt if most imports or LPs sold to more than 500 people in their first few weeks. As there were literally tens of thousands of discotheques up and down the country, that would mean that you guys were in the minority. It may have made you think that as you were upfront you were therefore better/more important, but we all know that it ain't necessarily so. I've heard plenty of really crap DJs playing upfront imports in my time. There's more to being a good DJ than just playing the latest import or LP track, even if music is the criteria by which one is being judged. Actually, by being soooo upfront all you managed to do was create a rod for your own backs and a scene that had to be self perpetuating to survive. You got onto a treadmill that was impossible to ever get off of. Fine, if that's what you wanted, but I do hope that even you can see how incredibly false that whole scene was/is. Step back for a while and take off those heavily rose tinted Northern Soul specatcles that you wear.Ultimately, your scene was as cynical as it gets. Dig for gold was the true motto, and some guys made plenty of dough by manipulating everyone else. If, after a few years on the scene, most of them did it for truely musical reasons and not the thought of having power/making lotsa dosh, then I'm a scouser's New Brighton holiday chalet.
Just climb back into your hole and rip someone else off with a record you bought for 50 pence , but now want nothing less than £100 for. That makes you clever for knowing the worth of a record, but it also makes you wholly immoral by not offering a fair price to the person who sold it to you. Bet you're the first person to moan at other people who you perceive as money grabbing or profiteering, eh?
You think you're better than me...Ha!!!!! In your own mind, in your own mind.
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