Vinyl Records That Play From the Inside Out - Roberta Gilliam on Buddah from 1978

[markydefad]

I bought a 12" single by Roberta Gilliam on Buddah from 1978 titled "Magic in the Music"....

What's significant or interesting about the track on the b-side of this 12"???? :-?

I just played it today--and I have never encountered what I saw here before in all my years of playing records!!!! :-? :o :o

[remicks]

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I just played it today--and I have never encountered what I saw here before in all my years of playing records!!!! :-? :o :o

Saw ?? ....or heard ???

If it's something you saw ......... I don't know ....did the record play from the inside out ???? :roll:
( 'cause I ain't never seen that myself neither !! )


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[markydefad]

BINGO!!!!!!!! :D Yes, it says:

SPECIAL RECORDING: PLAY INSIDE OUT

And it's a little ballad called "Let's Not Rush It"...

Do you suppose it was a manufacturing error??? I can't figure outy why they did this on the b-side only. Any ideas??? :o :-?

[remicks]

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I'd always heard that this was totally possible and that such records existed ..... but had never seen an example.
Why? ..... just for the novelty I guess ... a selling point .... probably didn't want to screw with the "A" side .... is the record itself any good !!!? Either side ?

Now... if I were president ...... this would have been a great marketing tool for some record along the way :-?

..... a great promo gimmick say for Maxine Nightingale's "RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED FROM "


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[BrunoRepublic]

There is actually a good technical reason for doing this, although I stress that most of what few inside-out records that exist were done so out of novelty. Anyway...

An LP can produce better fidelity at the outer edge, as there is much more room to squeeze in the same amount of musical information. This is especially important with treble, which results in very tight modulations. When cutting a record, mastering engineers often have to slowly EQ down the treble as the cutter gets closer to the label area. This is especially important on 12" singles, as they are (usually) cut much louder than LPs and thus they hit the limits of vinyl much sooner. This is the reason why, at a nightclub that spins vinyl, it's very common for each new record mixed in to sound brighter than the one being mixed out, because the one being mixed out is at the end of the side, with less treble response. This is also the reason why so many LPs have ballads at the end of each side.

Of course, many songs -- especially disco songs -- reach their highest energy levels right before the end of a song. The beginning is often understated, and the instrumentation and sound levels gradually build up as the song progresses. From a purely technical standpoint, it would make more sense to master 12" singles from inside-out... but of course, it's hard to counter decades of the standard of mastering outside-in.

[remicks]

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Very interesting Graham. A good example of how engrained certain methods of doing things beome. It seems unfathomable to play records any other way than the way they should be .... that is ... from the outside in ..... even though technically it could just as easily be done differently ...

sort of like me trying to drive in the UK I guess.....

Maybe they were concerned about the tone arm flying off at the end of the record play !!! :lol:

Anyway ..good stuff .... how do you come to know so much about this ??

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[BrunoRepublic]

Audio restoration is my passion. To do it well, one must understand vinyl. :)

[remicks]

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:icon_biggrin: I now own this one too!!! :icon_biggrin:


The "B" side that plays inside out is a sleepy ballad.
And no- the tone arm doesn't fall off at the end .


MAGIC IN THE MUSIC ...... well it ...lacks the magic in the music .


Fairly pedestrian even-tempered ( no ummph!) piano-based disco .... classic bongo break (with sandpaper scratching) Melba Moore-ish vocally.

Off hand, I want to reach for The Raes A LITTLE LOVIN' to mix into off from it ......




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[paul]

Geez'm Graham..ehem err Bruno. Thanks for the tech info. Very interesting.

[prince4u]

This is some very interesting info indeed. Is there any relation to Digital disc being recorded from inside out? or is that totally something different?

[BrunoRepublic]

This is some very interesting info indeed. Is there any relation to Digital disc being recorded from inside out? or is that totally something different?

No, CDs and DVDs don't have this problem because they don't spin at a constant speed. CDs spin at about 600 RPM at the center (beginning) of a disc, and only at about 200 RPM at the end of a full-length disc.

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

I had these two, when I was a kid.

"Goody Goody Gumdrops" / "Candy Kisses" - Buddah 71 - 10/68
B-side is an instrumental jam, recorded backwards

"Indian Giver" / "Pow Wow" - Buddah 91 - 1/69
B-side is an ode to "Howdy Doody" recorded backwards, originally recorded by The Flying Giraffe (another Kasenetz-Katz produced group) on Bell Records

It should come as no suprise that this "gimmick" was used a few times, while Neil Bogart (aka the Creator of the "Bubble Gum" sound) was heading-up Buddah Records.

It's really not a very far cry from "Special One-Sided Record / Play Other Side".

[Disco Funk]

There is actually a good technical reason for doing this, although I stress that most of what few inside-out records that exist were done so out of novelty. Anyway...edit

I trimmed out the rest, but thanks for that interesting information regarding the quality of the recording on vinyl between the outer edge and the inner label. I guess if they had stuck to the good old cylinder shape, there wouldn't be that problem. :)

My beef with inside out is that I have one of those automatic turntables, not a DJ turntable. So if I manually bring the arm to close to the centre of the platter, the turntable lifts the arm, moves back to rest, and shuts off. I don't own any inside outs, but my gramps had a bunch of records he cut using one of those homemade record cutters, and some of them were done to run inside out. It was so weird coming across one of those backwards running records for the first time!

Disco Funk

[Illusion Music]

Hi guy,

I never ran across an inside out but I have a 12" of Pop Music by M and on one side it has 2 tracks that both start at the top of the record. It depends on how the needle lands at the start. Some times you get one song and the other you get the other song. It had me double and triple checking myself when I first got the record.

I guess another novelty idea. Anyone have any other records like this?

Andrew

[SandraDee]

Hi guy,

I never ran across an inside out but I have a 12" of Pop Music by M and on one side it has 2 tracks that both start at the top of the record. It depends on how the needle lands at the start. Some times you get one song and the other you get the other song. It had me double and triple checking myself when I first got the record.

I guess another novelty idea. Anyone have any other records like this?

Andrew

Yes I have, it's a Samantha Fox 12" where, as you say, you never know which song you're gonna get as the 2 songs' grooves run next to each other!:icon_confused:

[BrunoRepublic]

See this thread:

http://www.discomusic.com/forums/dis...le-groove.html

[jim137]

I have the aptly named
"Where Do I Begin" by Eruption 12"
on Streetheat. 1985

With the Warning :

<<Achtung! Diese Platte beginnt dort wo anere authören. Bitte Tonarm in der Mitte aufliegen!>>