Who was Malcolm McLaren and the Supreme Team?

[Super D]

Just wondering the significant's of Malcolm McLaren and the World Famous Supreme Team___ I was listening to "Hobo Scratch" by Malcolm McLaren and realized I never really knew what contributions he/they had in relationship with Hip-Hop or the music/entertainment industry? (excuse my ignorance) :roll:

Also, are they still around?

I could google it, but I would rather have a personal un-bias Disco Forum answer.

super d(motordetroit)

[QUINNY]

Malcolm McLaren was the manager of the Sex Pistols and a music biz chancer. He happened upon break dancing whilst in New York and saw his next chance of making a few bucks. That's my rather cynical view.

Greg Wilson (who mostly visits these forums when he has something of his own to plug :lol: ) has (if I'm not mistaken) credited McLaren + the record Buffalo Girls as being one of the records that finally broke (gulp) electro and breakdance to the great unsuspecting British public. I can see where he's coming from, but wouldn't quite go so far.

http://www.discomusic.com/records-more/597_0_2_0_C/

[soulsta]

wow I just learned something too--I agree he had a solid thing happening back in the days when he started adding rappers like the world famous supreme team show to his thing

hey dj, buffalo gals hobo scratch were a few of the songs that not only impacted rap music but music that you could breakdance to and even poplock or get down with a dance partner. but I think he decided to do a rap lp which is probably why he used the boombox on his lp cover

[SandraDee]

Malcolm Mclaren jumped on any bandwagon that would earn him a few bucks, & he'd probably be the first to acknowledge that fact! (remember he came up with the title of the 'Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle for the Sex Pistols) In the late 80s he tried his hand at house music & the result was great; listen to 'Deep In Vogue' & hear the first track to mention vogueing, long before Madonna's contribution to the dance craze. He even attempted jazz with his 'Paris' LP!

[soulsta]

wow I just learned something.

I remember this song called jazz it up by kool chip that I thought had his input too. shoot you are right a lot of groups did that sort of thing. those that weren't r&b musicians

[buckaroo]

The World Famous Supreme Team, like a lot of people who became involved with McClaren, certainly don't like him. They had quite a successful Radio show in the US before Mr. M 'discovered' :roll: them, inwhich they used innovative edits on tape and live scratching whilst on air. Their jingles were darn good too, and people here with relatives in the US were lucky enough to have them send tapes over. So it's fairly safe to assume that the electro thing was already bubbling under before McClaren's Arfur Daley-style input. I have their '83 LP which is still good to listen to, and includes the sublime and much sampled "Hey DJ". Back then, people tried to come up with their own beats, and didn't just make an album full of samples.

[Davicillo]

'Buffalo Gals' broke the art of scratching to an unsuspecting majority of the UK record buying public. All the people who were into dance/soul knew from 'Adventures' Grandmaster Flash etc.
'Madame Butterfly' was a fantastic single and his 1989 album
'Waltz Darling' was excellent, again pouncing on another club
phenomenon (voguing 'deep in vogue') a year before Maddi went there!

[Davicillo]

The trill at the beginning of 'Buffalo Gals' has been sampled by so many people including Sir Todd Terry!!!

[marmite7]

Don't forget his contribution to the World Skipping Championships!! ;)

Double Dutch - great tune, was hailed (by Malc) as the new craze sweeping The States, as it featured lithe young lass's twirling ropes whilst performing impressive footwork!


Never quite caught on or became the Olympic sport Malc had hoped!!! :lol:

[buckaroo]

'Buffalo Gals' broke the art of scratching to an unsuspecting majority of the UK record buying public. All the people who were into dance/soul knew from 'Adventures' Grandmaster Flash etc...

He may well have broken it to the masses, but if you were into Rap allready back in '83/'84, you would've been listening to it on Pirate stations like LWR's Tim Westwood show, or going to Covent Garden and spinning on your head with the other B-Boys :lol: :lol: :lol: and Gals.



Here's my Nike Windrunner hoodie, circa 1985...Fresh! :lol: :lol: No, it don't fit me anymore. :roll:

[soulsta]

either buffalo gals or she's looking like a hobo from mr malcolm
was the first time I had ever heard a song on the lp or twelve inch where they dubbed the song but you could barely hear the lyrics peep through. that is the version that got much airplay here in houston texas and it was because of that style.

[SandraDee]

He may be unpopular but you've got to credit the guy with bringing underground stuff to the masses. (or is that a good thing? Not too sure actually! :lol: :-? )

[kaliffen]

Buffalo gals was a very important track. Music wise it was and still is "ok" - but the video for Buffalo gals was amazing and inspired alot of people to get into the breakdance movement.

The breakers was into the Rock steady moves and the body poppers/electric boogie people were into Frosty freezes moonwalk and wall.

I loved the album because of the small bits and pieces from the world famous radio show - that gave some much needed real hip hop atmosphere in copenhagen....(this was before the wildstyle movie and soundtrack came out)

[Disco Funk]

I've never seen the video for Buffalo Gals. Has it been release on any DVD compilation?

Disco Funk

[Greg Wilson]

Greg Wilson (who mostly visits these forums when he has something of his own to plug :lol: ) has (if I'm not mistaken) credited McLaren + the record Buffalo Girls as being one of the records that finally broke (gulp) electro and breakdance to the great unsuspecting British public. I can see where he's coming from, but wouldn't quite go so far. http://www.discomusic.com/records-more/597_0_2_0_C/

Seeing you have all the answers Quinny, it's very rare that I feel the need to get involved

Anyhow, the piece you mention is called 'Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Bronx'. You can read it here:

http://www.electrofunkroots.co.uk/buffalo_gals.htm

I met the World's Famous Supreme Team in 1983, when the came to the UK on the back of the success of 'Buffalo Gals'. They came to one of my club nights at a venue called The Exit in Manchester and got behind the decks for half an hour.

I remember gaining a valuable insight into NYC Hip Hop culture from talking to them. At the time we had very little information about the emerging Hip Hop culture here in the UK - this is why 'Buffalo Gals' (and particularly the video) was such a major event (especially with the black kids - who were at the cutting-edge of things).

Here's the World's Famous Discog page:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/World's+Famous+Supreme+Team

They also feature in McLaren's 'Duck Rock' video - which is well worth checking out.

[Greg Wilson]

'Buffalo Gals' broke the art of scratching to an unsuspecting majority of the UK record buying public. All the people who were into dance/soul knew from 'Adventures' Grandmaster Flash etc...

He may well have broken it to the masses, but if you were into Rap allready back in '83/'84, you would've been listening to it on Pirate stations like LWR's Tim Westwood show, or going to Covent Garden and spinning on your head with the other B-Boys :lol: :lol: :lol: and Gals.



Here's my Nike Windrunner hoodie, circa 1985...Fresh! :lol: :lol: No, it don't fit me anymore. :roll:

Hi buckaroo: 'Buffalo Gals' was released at the end of '82 and inspired the kids who would take to the streets the following summer in places like Covent Gardens.

The video was the catalyst for the first wave of breakdancers in this country (who were almost all black kids). The masses tuned into it later down the line. McLaren, whatever people might think of him, was largely responsible for exploding Hip Hop culture in the UK.

[Greg Wilson]

I've never seen the video for Buffalo Gals. Has it been release on any DVD compilation?

Disco Funk

Hi Disco Funk: Try to track down a copy of the 'Duck Rock' video, which includes 'Buffalo Gals'. If you have no luck, email me and I'll burn it onto DVD for you.

[Greg Wilson]

May as well post the article here:

NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS HERE’S THE BRONX

ON THE UNLIKELY ORIGINS OF THE UK HIP HOP MOVEMENT

They say that lightening doesn’t strike twice, but where there’s a rule there’s always the exception. Case-in-point concerns that maverick maestro of musical mayhem, Mr Malcolm McLaren, the man who masterminded the explosion of the Punk Rock scene and brought anarchy to the UK in the form of the notorious Sex Pistols (who he managed and mentored). As a result, McLaren’s place in British music history is ensured, and countless words have been written (and will continue to be written) on the subject.

Yet, strangely, little is ever mentioned about McLaren’s later role, which was also hugely significant, for it was he who was ultimately responsible for bringing Hip Hop out of New York’s South Bronx and placing it squarely into the collective psyche of the British youth. The portal for this unlikely introduction to what would become the most influential cultural movement of the late 20th Century was a highly infectious and truly inspirational single called ‘Buffalo Gals’, which entered the UK Pop chart in December 1982 (exactly 6 years on from the Sex Pistols’ chart debut), climbing all the way into the top 10.

This was more than six months before Herbie Hancock’s Grammy winning ‘Rockit’ was issued, giving the UK a head start when it came to our Hip Hop education, for it wasn’t until ‘Rockit’ came along that the majority of people (even in most of the US) began to latch onto this vibrant and colourful New York subculture. Herbie Hancock, via Grandmixer D.ST, might have scratched the surface when introducing Hip Hop to a global audience, but ‘Buffalo Gals’ had already brought the total package (inclusive of all four elements, not just scratching) to the British mainstream.

As often happens at these pivotal points in popular culture, it all came about by complete accident. McLaren, in New York looking for a support act for his current charges, Bow Wow Wow, was taken to see ‘something that couldn’t possibly have ever existed in England’. This ‘something’ turned out to be an open-air party, where he was exposed to the full-force of the Hip Hop movement in the presence of none-other-than Afrika Bambaataa, the figurehead of the Bronx ‘Zulu Nation’ (who laid the blueprint for the Electro genre via his hugely influential Kraftwerk-inspired monster cut, ‘Planet Rock’).

In the illuminating 1984 BBC documentary ‘Beat This! – A Hip Hop History’, McLaren (thankfully) gave a rare TV interview on his Hip Hop initiation, recounting his impressions of this first awe-inspiring encounter with what must have seemed like another world (especially when you consider he’d have been one of the few white people and possibly the only Englishman in attendance). Watching the DJ’s at work on the turntables he observed: “it was extraordinary cos the sound coming out was totally inarticulate, it was a load of rough noises, noises that sounded a little like guitar, but had a sort of concrete chisel sound and the sound I realised was actually coming from the way they were messing around with their hands on the decks, moving records backwards and forwards”. But that wasn’t all: “at one point or another people would move to the sides and a group of kids would start freaking out in the middle of doing all this incredible gymnastic dancing!”

McLaren, profoundly affected by what he’d seen and heard that night in the Bronx, incorporated the Hip Hop style into his debut album project, ‘Duck Rock’. With top British producer Trevor Horn at the controls, the LP broke new ground, taking the recording studio on the road and around the world, absorbing many different musical styles and putting them together in a totally unique way (a number of years before Paul Simon was universally acclaimed for doing a similar thing).

The ‘Buffalo Gals’ track itself has a fascinating legacy. It was based on a famous minstrel song of the same name, which was first published in 1844 by the ironically-named Cool White (although the song is older still and it’s writer unknown). A hundred and two years later, it found its way into the storyline of the classic Frank Capra movie ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’ (which, remarkably, was a box office flop that only gained full recognition in the 1970’s, following annual Christmas TV repeats). ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’ is nowadays, of course, regarded as a masterpiece, one of the most beloved of all American films.

If its origins weren’t bizarre enough, to twist things even further, McLaren’s ‘Buffalo Gals’ saw him hark back to an earlier type of MC, taking the role of a square dance prompter (or figure caller), instructing the buffalo gals (and boys) to ‘go around the outside’ and ‘do-si-do your partners’! The sleevenotes on the album describe the track as follows: “recorded with the World’s Famous Supreme Team and Zulu singers backing them up with the words ‘she’s looking like a hobo’. The performance by the Supreme Team may require some explaining but suffice to say they are dj’s from New York City who have developed a technique using record players like instruments, replacing the power chord of the guitar by the needle of a gramophone, moving it manually backwards and forwards across the surface of a record. We call it scratching”. The sleeve for the album would be a customised ‘boom box’ (complete with buffalo horns!), whilst many people saw their first pair of the soon to be essential Technics SL1200 turntables on the front cover of the single.

Before ‘Buffalo Gals’ we were more or less completely unaware of Hip Hop (at least with regards to three of its four elements). We already knew about Rap of course, which had first made its mark in 1979 when The Sugarhill Gang scored a worldwide success with ‘Rappers Delight’, but the style had been dismissed by the British media as a novelty (although perceptions had begun to change following the August ‘82 release of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five’s seminal street epic ‘The Message’, another UK Top 10 hit). Scratching was still an abstract concept as far as British DJ’s were concerned (Flash & The Five’s ‘Wheels Of Steel’ made little impression on its UK release in ‘81, it’s genius only fully appreciated when it was revived later, during the Electro-Funk era), graffiti, as we then understood it, was hardly considered art, and we knew nothing whatsoever of breakdancing, although Shalamar’s Jeffrey Daniel, an ex-dancer on US music show ‘Soul Train’, had already introduced us to the LA-originated style of body popping via the bands appearances on British TV.

Despite our ignorance of events in the Bronx, we weren’t totally green. In the more adventurous specialist black music clubs a new type of sound, which became known as Electro-Funk, was being played on import (mainly arriving on New York labels like Tommy Boy, Streetwise, Sugarhill, West End, Prelude, Sunnyview, Emergency and Becket). During 1982 the landmark early Electro-Funk tunes (which pre-dated ‘The Message’) were the mighty Peech Boys, led by the legendary DJ Larry Levan, with ‘Don’t Make Me Wait’, as weighty a slice of Dub/Funk as we’d ever heard, and, of course, ‘Planet Rock’, by Bambaataa and his Soul Sonic Force, which would cause major controversy within black music circles due to its no-holds-barred technological assault.

As more and more of these innovative ‘electronic’ releases began to make their way across the Atlantic, the Electro-Funk scene (which attracted a predominantly black audience) took root at two clubs in the North-West of England where I then deejayed, Wigan Pier and Legend in Manchester. Ignoring the mounting flak I was taking for playing what my critics regarded as ‘soulless’ records, I became increasingly associated with this music, not only as a result of featuring it in the clubs (which drew people from all over the North and the Midlands, and even as far as London), but also because I’d incorporated it into my regular mixes for Mike Shaft’s show on Manchester’s Piccadilly Radio (which was known for a more orthodox selection of Soul, Funk and Jazz).

‘Buffalo Gals’ was despised by the purists, the very idea of playing a record by Malcolm McLaren on a black music night was absolutely abhorrent to them, but it fitted perfectly into my playlist as the backing track was pure Electro-Funk, giving the whole crazy concept a solid foundation that would truly rock the dancefloor. Following on from ‘Duck Rock’, Trevor Horn would continue the Electro experiment, via his own ZTT label, as a member of The Art Of Noise, most notably on the influential singles ‘Beat Box’ and ‘Close (To The Edit)’, whilst cleaning up in ‘84 with his groundbreaking work with Frankie Goes To Hollywood. Horn set new standards in Pop music production, his studio wizardry a major inspiration for the next generation of music makers.

However, it wasn’t until the promotional video for ‘Buffalo Gals’ was unleashed onto a totally unsuspecting British public that the full impact of this truly revolutionary release hit home. It would be no exaggeration to say that from this moment onwards British youth culture was never the same again. The contents of this video quite literally changed people’s lives!

It wasn’t an overnight change, how could it be when the full implications of what had appeared, as if by magic before our eyes, would take months to fully sink in, but change gradually came. The video opened up the Pandoras box of Bronx street science; it was a full-frontal introduction to what we would later learn was Hip Hop. It was all there, rapping and scratching, colourful graffiti ‘pieces’ and, of course, the most amazing of dance styles (courtesy of the soon to be internationally famous Rock Steady Crew), which we’d come to know as breaking (although the original term was b-boying). This included the execution of a move that none of us could have imagined was possible at the time, somebody spinning around upside down on the top of their head! Had we been watching a news report with footage of the Martians landing, we’d have been no more awestruck than the moment we saw that first headspin!

To quote my own sleevenotes from 1994’s ‘Classic Electro Mastercuts’ compilation: “Etched in my memory is a night in Huddersfield when I first played the video, the audience was quite literally stunned and everyone sat down on the dancefloor to watch! I must have played it continually for over an hour. Seeing the dazed expressions on people’s faces, I realised the meaning of the term culture shock!” The very idea of, in effect, stopping the night to play a video over and over, until the club closed, gives you some level of its impact. I, of course, hadn’t planned to do this, but once I’d played it the first time they wanted it again and again and again, and it would have been pointless to try to get back into the swing of a normal night, such was its mesmeric power. Once, during a radio interview about the Electro-Funk days, while searching for a phrase to sum up just how utterly mindblowing this video had been on first viewing, I somehow stumbled across a word that described it perfectly, something I can’t remember using either before or since - the word was ‘unfathomable’.

The effect of all this on young blacks (like those in The Stars Bar in Huddersfield on that fateful Thursday night) cut particularly deep. It hadn’t been long since the inner-city riots, which resulted from the black community becoming increasingly isolated and marginalised within British society, and now, having made a stand against the system, young blacks were asserting their identity in a way that had never been possible for the older generation (most of whom had immigrated from the West Indies in the 50’s and 60’s). This Hip Hop spoke directly to the youth, and needless to say, once they’d seen what it entailed, it was love at first sight. Society might have closed the doors, but Hip Hop burst them wide open again and it would be difficult to calculate just how many black kids in this country became breakdancers, body poppers, DJ’s, rappers or graffiti artists as a direct result of watching that video.

By the summer of ‘83 breakdancing exploded onto the streets of the UK. After painstakingly practicing their moves (ideally on the kitchen lino) during the intervening months, the British b-boys finally emerged, ghetto-blasters at the ready, giving impromptu performances to bemused shoppers. This first wave of breakers were mainly black and their all-action entertainment worked wonders for race relations! Their white contemporaries, who may previously have felt threatened by what appeared to be a gang (rather than a crew) of black lads, no longer thought about fighting, but wanted to find out more about the dancing and the distinctive music that was booming out of the speakers. For many people, this was their first conversation with someone of a different skin colour, and major barriers began to break down during those initial exchanges in the streets and shopping centres. Apart from anything else, Hip Hop (or Electro-Funk, as we still called it) was a unifying force as far as the youth of this country were concerned, with black and white kids now communicating to the rhythm of the perfect beat. Nowadays Hip Hop culture is so much a part of British youth culture that we barely notice anymore, but back then this was a remarkable development. We were right on the cusp of social change.

By the end of 1983 Morgan Khan’s era defining ‘Street Sounds Electro’ compilations had hooked in the mainstream audience and now white kids in the suburbs, many of whom had never even come into contact with black people, were tuning into the b-boy vibe. The ‘Electro’ series provided the soundtrack for this new British breakdance generation and the UK dance scene would never look back as the seeds were well and truly sown for the clubbing boom that followed later in the decade.

As with Punk, Malcolm McLaren could clearly understand Hip Hop’s role as a force for social change, for when all’s said and done, these two major youth movements represent opposite sides of the same coin. Both Punk and Hip Hop made a lasting impact on popular culture in the UK and McLaren’s role was absolutely crucial in each case. To view him only in context with the Punk years is to miss the full scale of his role in music history (not to mention the related areas of dance, art and fashion).

It’s difficult to bring to mind another 80’s release that had a greater impact, or longer-lasting effect, on the youth of this country than ‘Buffalo Gals’, and as such, McLaren can lay claim to another title to place alongside his Punk Rock plaudits, that of British ambassador for the Boogie Down Bronx. It’s about time that this fact was finally (and fully) recognised; the tributes are long overdue, for this was undoubtedly a monumental contribution to British popular culture and black British culture in particular.

Copyright – Greg Wilson 2003
Info: www.electrofunkroots.co.uk
E-mail: electrofunkroots@yahoo.co.uk

[Disco Funk]

Hi Disco Funk: Try to track down a copy of the 'Duck Rock' video, which includes 'Buffalo Gals'. If you have no luck, email me and I'll burn it onto DVD for you.

Thanks for the offer, Greg. I will first look for the Duck Rock video.

Disco Funk

[buckaroo]

Hi buckaroo: 'Buffalo Gals' was released at the end of '82 and inspired the kids who would take to the streets the following summer in places like Covent Gardens.

The video was the catalyst for the first wave of breakdancers in this country (who were almost all black kids)...

:lol:
Hiya Greg,
You're the man in the know, as you were there doin' it BITD. I was just going by personal experience: The first Electro track I heard that really turned my ear, was Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa & the Soulsonic Force. Someone gave me a tape of it back in October of 1982 (I remember so well, 'cause I had big probz trying to get two cassette recorders so that I could copy it :roll: )



When Buffalo Gals hit the charts in '83, of course it sounded good...But I preferred the stuff which came later: Hip Hop Be Bop Don't Stop Man Parrish Boogie Down Bronx etc. Those were the days of phat laces on your Pumas.
I remember stupidly trying to do Catarpiller on the floor, and nearly ruining me Leo Gamelli sweater. :-?
Let's not forget Morgan Khan's Electro compilations.

Anyway Greg. Stay Fresh. Don't be Jeckle. :lol: :lol:

[Mr.Ree]

McLaren seems to be a bit of a controversial character because of his history with the Sex Pistols.....all I know is that he must have SOME musical talent since Neneh Cherry's smokin' "Buffalo Stance" was clearly "borrowed" from "Buffalo Gals" (how'd she do that and not credit him on the label?). I also recently bought a McLaren CD, "Waltz Darling" and was surprised that he managed to somehow bring together rock guitar God Jeff Beck and funkmaster Bootsy Collins!

[Greg Wilson]

McLaren seems to be a bit of a controversial character because of his history with the Sex Pistols.....all I know is that he must have SOME musical talent since Neneh Cherry's smokin' "Buffalo Stance" was clearly "borrowed" from "Buffalo Gals" (how'd she do that and not credit him on the label?). I also recently bought a McLaren CD, "Waltz Darling" and was surprised that he managed to somehow bring together rock guitar God Jeff Beck and funkmaster Bootsy Collins!

Neneh Cherry was actually one of the gals going round the outside, round the outside, in the 'Buffalo Gals' video.

[drh]

"Buffalo Gals" was my personal "hit of the year" in 1983. Yeah, the drivin hip-hop beat and the scratching.... first class. Nice effect: the melting of square dance with breakdance.
Double Dutch later was a good tune with a nice video. Not to forget the "Looking like a hobo" Mix. Later Malcolm wasn't that funky anymore, but still innovative.

[drh]

[QUOTE=Greg Wilson;78832]May as well post the article here:


..Trevor Horn would continue the Electro experiment, via his own ZTT label, as a member of The Art Of Noise, most notably on the influential singles ‘Beat Box’ and ‘Close (To The Edit)’, whilst cleaning up in ‘84 with his groundbreaking work with Frankie Goes To Hollywood. Horn set new standards in Pop music production, his studio wizardry a major inspiration for the next generation of music makers.


Yeah, thanks for mentioning Trevor Horn and his Art of Noise and his groundbreaking "Beat Box" ad. Excellent electro funk with a litte Old-School. No one could sit still when this tune was playing. Another influential producer for Pop-Funk-Rap crossover was Arthur Baker, from Bambataa to Freez.

[Cory Ander]

to my ears, McLauren's "Hobo Scratch" is even more "hip hoppy" than "Buffalo Gals". I'd be interested to know if hip hop is McLauren's real musical interest.