Reply With QuoteMarkydefad:Originally Written by markydefad
Excellent choices from my man, John Luongo!
Honorable Mention - Zulu - The Quick
He's African, He's African, can, can, can, can......
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I had to touch, this subject about Tom Moulton.
With Tom Moulton he was brought into the studio before
the tracks were released-usually,not always but
try finding original lps of these;
first choice/dr.love(lp may
be called "delusions"?)listen
to the lp mix and then the
gold mine 12"
double exposure/ten percent lp-listen to "my love
is free" and then the salsoul
12". On the same lp listen
to "ten percent" and then compare the walter gibbons
12" mix
On the First Choice lp with
Hold Your Horses,listen
to Love Thang and then compare the Tee Scott 12"
same lp-listen to 'Double
Cross" and then to larry Levan's 12 mix
on Loleata Holloway's "dreamin' lp listen
to "hit and run: and then walter Gibbons 12" mix-it's
almost a completely new song
I use alot of Salsoul,because
they are they only one's to re-release lps(on cd) with the original mixes.The 12' mixes
will show up on compilations.
With BT express,I compare my
original 45 side A mix to the
Moulton mix on side B.
Remember a remix was done for the dance floor-it wasn't mixed for listening at home.When you heard these in a club,it made a huge difference.An extended mix added drama and heightened
the whole experience.But if
you listen to these mixes
and think they are just
"different" not really any
"better"then there is really
nothing I can add-it either
works for you or it doesn't.
And yes,Moulton mixed alot
of garbage-he would(and has)
admitted that-but we are talking about the actual song,not the amount of remixes done.Moulton was a
pioneer-no one else was making "disco mixes" when he started-it was uncharted territory.And of course,you
could listen to the entire
Philadelphia Classics Lp-and
Moulton has said himself that
his favorite of his mixes was the epic "love is the message"
-listen to the Lp version of this and then compare the
11 minute version,or even better-turn off the lights and
dance to both versions in your living room and see which one sounds better...
Thom
Tom Moulton's accomplishments and friendship taught me alot about remixing songs and making them hit records.
When Tom and I spoke recently, he explained "I wanted to master a song in a way that's supposed to sound right"!
Love Is The Message was the best mix that was ever done by Tom Moulton from the Philadelphia Classics LP.
He has made some remixes of songs not worth noting, by any means Tom Moulton has remastered songs from the past and made them sound sharp and crisp.
Honorable Mention - Love Thang - First Choice (David Morales Mix)
The Motown Box CD Set has mixes by Tom Moulton for those who's interested in what a mix from Motown supposed to sound like.
Honorable Mention - Stoned Love - The Supremes
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Markydefad:
Excellent choices from my man, John Luongo!
Honorable Mention - Zulu - The Quick
He's African, He's African, can, can, can, can......
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Wasn't John Luongo the one responsible for speeding up 'Let Me Take You Dancing'? I think that Bryan Adams song actually sounds better if you slow it down a bit. I did like his Dan Hartman mixes, although I don't know what the songs sounded like before he remixed them.
The best remixer definitely was Tom Moulton. He could almost always turn something bland into gold. He did have a few missteps as well. I didn't like his extended re-edit of Love Is You by Carol Williams, and that Disco Champs LP by the Trammps was very bad. On the other hand his remixes on that Philly Dance Classics LP, which included the 9 minute I'll Always Love My Mama, were incredible. He also turned out to be a great producer, making some classic LPs for artists like Loose Change and Grace Jones. And he did a great job spicing up that Kongas first LP. 10 minutes of Anikana-O heaven. He should have left the jungle sound effects off of Jungle though. I don't think 'Jungle' was not supposed to be literally about the monkeys and elephants in the jungle.
Larry Levan's remixes were hit and miss as well. I found he sometimes added a little too much percussion on the tracks. Skyy's 'First Time Around' sounded better before Larry got his hands on it.
Shep Pettibone's 'Let No Man Put Asunder' has got to get top marks for taking a plain sounding song on the original LP and turning it into a timeless dancefloor classic.
David Todd's remixes on RCA were really good. I loved the way he stripped down most of the tracks he was remixing into their basic elements, like 'Express Yourself' by New York City Community Choir, and 'Life Goes On' by Faith Hope & Charity. I didn't like his remix of 'Stubborn Kind of Fella' by Lou Courtney. He took the drive out of the song on his version.
Walter Gibbons gets top marks for most intriguing remixes on that Salsoul LP Disco Madness. Like David Todd, he stripped many of the tracks down to their basic elements and played around with them until they were almost completely his. His best remix has to be 'Magic Bird of Fire'.
Bobby DJ Guttadaro - I've seen this guy's name appear on various remixes, but never thought they were wildly better than the originals. For me, his most memorable was his remix of 'I Got The Hots For You' by Double Exposure.
Richie Rivera - the guy with the 'Midnight Mix'. This is another guy who's name appears on various records, like Liquid Gold's 'My Baby's Baby', but I've never heard the non-Midnight Mix versions, so its hard to compare.
Tee Scott - wasn't this guy based in Philly or New York? He did some pretty good remixes of Salsoul tracks like 'Love Thang', and mixed Archie Bell's 'Anytime Is Right', but I haven't heard the original mix so I don't know if it was an improvement (LP and 12" mixes were the same).
Jim Burgess - I was never excited about his remixes. He added that horrible four on the floor bass drum to 'What A Fool Believes' and didn't really change 'Da Ya Think I'm Sexy' all that much, other than adding one verse as an instrumental section to the beginning of the track. He did turn Nicolette Larson's 'Lotta Love' from mono on the LP into a stereo 12" mix.
What I find really weird is that almost all of these guys have died!! The only guy who is still with us is Tom Moulton, and perhaps David Todd. But all of the other guys died years ago.
Disco Funk
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Shep Pettibone, Tom Moulton and John Luongo are still with us!
May the others mixes move forward and their legacy preserved as they rest in peace.
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In my book Shep Pettibones remix of Let No Man Out Asunder is the stand out remix of all time. On the original 12" one side is the original and whilst good, it sounds 'dated'. The remix is a timeless piece of dance music still wowing the crowds.....classic
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There were many remixes released through the years and Shep Pettibone's - Let No Man Put Asunder - First Choice was the best ever.
Honorable Mention - Thanks To You - Sinnamon
Not to sound like a broken record, but honorable mention goes to MFSB - Love Is The Message by Tom Moulton from the Philadelphia Classics LP. Extra Credit - Love Sensation - Loleatta Holloway. There were many, more mixes which came from this gentleman but those, two mixes stood in mind for me.
Francois K should get some credit for some of the greatest remixes of all-time. Keep On & You're The One For Me - D-Train are two mixes that stand out for me. Beat The Street - Sharon Redd was a remix that I first heard along with Keep On !@ the Paradise Garage in 1982 when Francois K did a guest spot. The Dub Version of Keep On and Instrumental Version of Beat Street were the highlights on that evening. Here's a sleeper from Francois K's vault - Take A Risk - Empress, Tear It Up - Keith Barrow and Go Bang! - Dinosaur L
Larry Levan's best remixes were Don't Make Me Wait - The Peech Boys, Is It All Over My Face - Loose Joints and Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Inner Life
Honorable Mention - Seventh Heaven & Ain't Nothing Going On But The Rent - Gwen Guthrie, When You Touch Me and Heartbeat - Taana Gardner, Double Cross - First Choice
Walter Gibbons mixes of Ten Percent & My Love Is Free - Double Exposure, Hit & Run - Loleatta Holloway, Law & Order - Love Committee, Doing The Best That I Can - Bettye LaVette were excellent!
Honorable Mention - Set It Off - Strafe
Collaborations from mixes get honored from the likes of Larry Levan and Francois K for Body Music - The Strikers and You Can't Hide - David Joseph
Shep Pettibone & John "Jellybean" Benitez - Walking On Sunshine - Rockers Revenge
Shep Pettibone & Bruce Forest - I Was Born This Way - Carl Bean
Honorable Mention - John Morales & Sergio Munzibai
Down On The Street - Shakatak and Get Down Friday Night - The Fantastic Aleems
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Shep Pettibone & Bruce Forest - I Was Born This Way - Carl Bean
I forgot about this one! Love
the "better days" mix....
Thom
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[quote="thommy2458"]The Better Days Mix was the best one on that 12".
Timmy Regisford's mix sounded (don't get the comparision twisted) as close to Tom Moulton's original mix on Motown.
Especially for one done in 1986!
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I've been avoiding that remix because I figured it would either be too 80's sounding (heavy echo on snare or with electronic handclaps) or it was just a re-edit of the vocal and instrumental on the original 12". Does it sound like it was completely remixed from the master tapes?
Disco Funk
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It sounds like a remix from the master tapes!I've been avoiding that remix because I figured it would either be too 80's sounding (heavy echo on snare or with electronic handclaps) or it was just a re-edit of the vocal and instrumental on the original 12". Does it sound like it was completely remixed from the master tapes?
Disco Funk
Don't be afraid, take a listen to Timmy's version!
The 11:41 version was interesting, even though the Better Days Version was the best, hands down!
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