Reply With QuoteYa just can't overlook a mix that's second to none. It's Shep Pettibones "Come Let Me Love You." If you haven't heard it then go and find it. Now that's disco style :D
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Long time no hear folks:
Let's discuss favorite mixes from the following all-time remixers:
Larry Levan, Tom Moulton and Shep Pettibone
There were many which were favorites in your eyes, but three can make the cut! An Honorable Mention of remixes can be named for extra credit.
Larry Levan
Is It All Over My Face - Loose Joints
Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Inner Life
Don't Make Me Wait - The Peech Boys
Honorable Mention - You Can't Hide - David Joseph
Tom Moulton
Love Is The Message - MFSB
Doctor Love - First Choice
Love Sensation - Loleatta Holloway
Honorable Mention - Free Man - South Shore Commission
Damn, the whole Philadelphia Classics LP needs to be, honorable mention....
Shep Pettibone
Let No Man Put Asunder - First Choice
Thanks To You - Sinnamon
Oooh, I Love It - The Salsoul Orchestra
Honorable Mention - Dreamer - B B & Q
Of course there were many, more mixes by these legends but I went by what I thought were instrumentally and musically, refined ones.
What are your favorites?
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Ya just can't overlook a mix that's second to none. It's Shep Pettibones "Come Let Me Love You." If you haven't heard it then go and find it. Now that's disco style :D
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The KISS Mastermixes Volume I & II were great especially with "Come Let Me Love You" being one of them! All of them deserve honorable mention so we'll go one, step further:Originally Written by paul
Baby Talk - Alisha
And You Know That - The Jammers (Dub Version)
Moment Of My Life - Inner Life
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Whatever happened to Shep Pettibone? The last I heard from him was a remix of Erasure's Blue Savannah which didn't even get a commercial release until years later.
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For further information on Shep Pettibone @ Paradise, please click on the link
http://www.paradisenj.com
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strangely enough the strange synth sample in that remix of Jenette 'Lady' Day came from our own Ian Dury's 'Spasticus autisticus'. Great track!
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I'm not a remix fan per se, but Shep's remix of Olivia Newton-John's 'The Rumour' is quite marvellous. I can see the point of this though - it was a pure pop track & Shep gave it a dance/hi-nrg sound which worked brilliantly. However, I often think remixers just mess about with disco/dance records for the sake of it; why remix a Salsoul or Prelude track when they couldn't possibly be improved? (unless it's to extend it as in the case of 'In The Name Of Love', by Sharon Redd & not Thompson Twins!)
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My favorite remixes were:
1) Central Line-Walking into sunshine
2) First Choice-Love Thang
3) Babyface-Lovers
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The Thompson Twins - In the Name of Love Remix from 1988 was excellent! If we start breaking down the worst mixes from the likes of Shep Pettibone, let's start with:
Doctor Love (Remix) - First Choice
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I'm sure all of you if not, some of you on the Discomusic.com Forum have some highlights from mixes by Larry Levan, Tom Moulton and Shep Pettibone.
Give The Lord some of them.....
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Never took too much notice of who did remixes.... OK a certain name might make me want to try a record, but generally I wasn't swayed by a name and just played what I thought was good.
The early Moulton mixes (which were still a novelty/out of the ordinary) are the ones which made me take most notice.
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In the past and present, I look at who mixed/remixed the songs.
Larry Levan mixes - Good
Shep Pettibone mixes - Better
Tom Moulton mixes - Priceless!!!
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Shep's mix of "let no man put
asunder" belongs in a
disco time capsule,anything
by Tom Moulton,Larry Levan's
"work that body" and ESPECIALLY Francois K's
remix of Musique's "in the
bush"(listen to the orignal LP
mix) to name a few...
Thom
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In the "Get Busy" battle of Shep's Remixes, Let No Man Put Asunder is the winner in a landslide over the competition. Francois K will be one of the featured DJ's in the next topic along with Tee Scott and John Luongo. To counter, the 12"mix of Keep on Jumpin' was great!
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**Tee Scott-fave mix is
Sharon Brown's "I specialize
in love" or even "Love Thang"
***John Loungo-where do
you even start? most famous
would have to be Jackie
Moore"this time,baby"but
then there is Melba Moore,
Gonzales and a personal
favorite that never get's
mentioned Freda Payne's
"I'll do anything(for you)"
Thom
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I loves the remixes of John Luongo. :D :D :D :D
My faves: (off the top o' me keppe)
This Time Baby - Jackie Moore
Veritigo/Relight My Fire - Dan Hartman
Music Is My Way Of Life - Patti LaBelle
Jeopardy - Greg Kihn Band
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John's my boy from CT and his mixes goes, without saying!
Jeopardy - The Dub Version.... Oh man....
This Time Baby - Forget about it!
Relight My Fire - The Instrumental version... Banger.....
The Patti LaBelle cut highlights my urge to hear more, percussion solos like that on record. What happened to the timbale solos from the Disco records?
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Question: Did the remixers actaully make records any more 'commercial' as such or any more accepted? That is, would most of the recordings they touched have had a similar fate regardless of who did the remixing? I'm just askin' 'cos to my ears, none of 'em really had any real 'signature' that leapt out at me.
For instance:
Was Musique's In The Bush or Keep On Jumpin' have been any less of a hit because someone else did the remix? Would the strength of the music have been enough anyway? Just askin'.
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Quinny, I would say no, the remixers would most likely not have made that much of a difference with good music. They did however make the music much more enjoyable to the hardcore "punters" like myself and a lot of the others here. :D
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I would say "Yes" to the remixers making a difference toward making a song a hit or a dud with a remix. Take Doctor Love remixed by Shep Pettibone vs. Tom Moulton's mix.
Whose mix was better?
We all know the answer to that one!
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A good remixer,is as good
if not somtimes better than
his material.What do you think would have happened
to BT Express "do it(till your
satisfied) or "express" had
Tom Moulton not brought
forth instrumental passages,
hightened percussion,restructured breaks,etc..What about how
he segued and remixed the
Gloria Gaynor "honey bee/never can say goodbye/reach out" medley?
It was DJ's positive response
to these records because
they made people dance
and they were "dance floor
friendly" as in "extended".And
then people like me went out
and bought them.You can't
be serious if you think all
remixers are alike-are all
DJ's? absolutely not.There are
some who are musicians(like
Francois K)who hear things
and create as a musician would.All you have to do is
hear how John Loungo would
take an average LP track
and break it down,restructure,add percussion and transform it
to know that this is truely
an art.I remember reading
an article in the early 70's
about how a club owner was upset because"club
A" across town was busier
than he was-his club was bigger,newer,nicer-the DJ
had all the newest records.
But "club A" had a different
DJ who understood what
his audience wanted,he was
able to take them on a new
journey every night.This is
what a good remix can do
for a song-it can bring out things we never heard,or highlight the best parts
and lesson the weaker parts.
A great DJ and a great remixer are artists that
understand this concept.
Thom
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Yeah, but one man's blinder mix is another's irritating blip.
I agree that they did make tracks sound different, but most of the elements were already there in the multitracks and the extension of tracks was more or less done in the same way on most 12". That is they would add the first break after the second chorus and it would be a stripped down percussion heavy version of either the verse/chorus/both maybe repeated a few times with instrumentaion changing at regular bar intervals. Very much to a formula. Just listen to the intros and the breaks and you can here the vocals and instrumentation faintly in the background, due to crosstalk and/or sub groups not being fully closed on the mixing desk. Whether or not they dramatically changed Eq to make certain tracks add more punch, or it was just down to the superior sonics of 12" records would also be an interesting question to have authoritively answered.
One point where I'd disagree with Marky, in that I believe the de-constructions of the early '80s were actually much more cleverly done (as in the art of remixing), even if you hated the results, some of which TOTALLY transformed a track.
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I admit ignorance as to just what "a Tom Moulton Mix" actually entailed. Bringing up the bass ? Adding additional instruments? Looping? Choosing which takes to use ?
Not to disrespect a truly significant player ...but "A TOM MOULTON MIX " meant little to me since as many or more of said tunes were as lousy as were good . Could be argued that he did the best with what he was provided ...but to that end it seems he wasn't very discriminatory as to which projects he took on ....
I'd be more than a little interested in hearing some before and afters ..... songs as first constructed ...before Moulton reworked them .... and then the resulting mix afterward .......
Any examples???
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With Tom Moulton he was brought into the studio before
the tracks were released-usually,not always but
try finding original lps of these;
first choice/dr.love(lp may
be called "delusions"?)listen
to the lp mix and then the
gold mine 12"
double exposure/ten percent lp-listen to "my love
is free" and then the salsoul
12". On the same lp listen
to "ten percent" and then compare the walter gibbons
12" mix
On the First Choice lp with
Hold Your Horses,listen
to Love Thang and then compare the Tee Scott 12"
same lp-listen to 'Double
Cross" and then to larry Levan's 12 mix
on Loleata Holloway's "dreamin' lp listen
to "hit and run: and then walter Gibbons 12" mix-it's
almost a completely new song
I use alot of Salsoul,because
they are they only one's to re-release lps(on cd) with the original mixes.The 12' mixes
will show up on compilations.
With BT express,I compare my
original 45 side A mix to the
Moulton mix on side B.
Remember a remix was done for the dance floor-it wasn't mixed for listening at home.When you heard these in a club,it made a huge difference.An extended mix added drama and heightened
the whole experience.But if
you listen to these mixes
and think they are just
"different" not really any
"better"then there is really
nothing I can add-it either
works for you or it doesn't.
And yes,Moulton mixed alot
of garbage-he would(and has)
admitted that-but we are talking about the actual song,not the amount of remixes done.Moulton was a
pioneer-no one else was making "disco mixes" when he started-it was uncharted territory.And of course,you
could listen to the entire
Philadelphia Classics Lp-and
Moulton has said himself that
his favorite of his mixes was the epic "love is the message"
-listen to the Lp version of this and then compare the
11 minute version,or even better-turn off the lights and
dance to both versions in your living room and see which one sounds better...
Thom
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Good input Thom .. .... thanks! Were I more organized I'd pull those out right away .... I will, as I come across them.
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