Reply With QuoteYes Marcio...this is the knucklescraper mentallity that we have to deal with 8)
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Yes Marcio...this is the knucklescraper mentallity that we have to deal with 8)
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Marcio don’t confuse an attack on a “Democrat” , that is one belonging to the “Democratic” party with an attack on “Democracy” they are very different things, and why would you call this “Propaganda” ?, every thing listed/depicted in that poster is true, many Democrats love Left Wing Dictators and scummy Socialist, especially if they express desires to destroy America and make Americans “suffer”. Take a look at the latest news from Venezuela, there you’ll find that “illustrious” democrat leader, Jesse Jackson propping up Hugo Chavez, a Dictator in disguise currently under training from Havana and preaching destruction of America. A vote for a “DemoCRAP” is a vote for the likes of Jesse Jackson and his ilk.
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I guess this is proof that Bush's anti-science, anti-intellectual, pro-creationism philosophy works with his minions. Hugo Chavez is the hugely popular, twice elected President of Venezuala. Bush can't say that and he would more closely match the description of a dictator!Originally Written by Mixmachine
Democrats believe in democracy and the right of the people to select their leaders. We don't advocate assasinating those who we may have differences with. What Pat Robertson said only sereves to further illustrate what many liberals like myself have always known or suspected with you folks on the other side of the spectrum.
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Hugo Chavez is a Left wing dictator in all aspects but on paper, he has already began to heavily borrow pages from Castro's communist hell, like stifling the press and confiscation of private property, he has stacked government and courts with unqualified former Communist and leftist that answer to his call, and the country is already infected with rapid armed brigades to pounce on defenseless opponents that dare to demand change, he has plunged the country into ruin just like all Socialist eventually do and as a consequence massive exodus of citizens and capital is taking place, (come to Miami and see for your self) he was elected the first time by promising to end corruption and poverty, now his government is more corrupt than the last and poverty( obviously your forte but only if convenient) in this oil rich nation is now reaching astronomical unprecedented levels, the "referendum" that kept him in power by avoiding a “recall” was rigged from the get go, only leftist fools like Jimmy Carter (and you) would fall for that one, he's now subverting friendly governments around South America and financing Drug dealer and Leftist terrorist organizations, ask Colombia and Bolivia, Seek out other sources of information (other than Avon.com and bankrupt Free America radio :lol: )and/or listen to some experts that have lived in that country until recently, not self-serving fools like Jackson and Carter that never met a commie they didn't like.
Pat Roberson is a private taxpaying American and can say whatever he pleases, he's not part of the US government or the Bush Administration, but you know that, right? You’re just the same blind leftie that thinks every one is stupid enough to fall for your "twisting" of the truth ways, think again pal, you ain’t that smart, that’s why you (democraps) are out of office and every Moderate Democrat (and not so like Hillary Clinton) )are putting distance between them and the Democratic party platform and current leadership.
Oh , yes, and you apparently have no idea what it takes to keep the enemies of America and freedom at bay, (check History books) you just another day dreaming champagne leftie searching for utopia and doing the enemies bid while hiding behind the Constitution that thinks that our enemies play by the civilized world rules. Like Jack Nicholson said “You can’t handle the truth!”
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You've made a lot of assertions Mixmachine. Can you provide me/us with sources to back up some or most of these?
I don't believe being socialist makes him or anyone else who has this philosophy inherently bad. In fact it's socialism that we are using now to help our fellow Americans in this hurricane crisis.
As for Pat Robertson, the fact that you are not saying the assasination comment was wrong speaks volumes. Pat by the way is more than just your ordinary wingnut private citizen. This wealthy republican televangalist ran for President in 1988. Most importantly, he is a friend of Bush and who has Bush's ear. Understandably when you got a guy who has this connection with a nationally syndicated television show, you take this very seriously. Interestingly like you, Bush did not say what his pal said was wrong.
The biggest threats and enemies facing Americans and our Constitution are already residing within our borders. You can find them wrapping themselves up in the flag :-?
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It shouldn’t be hard if you really cared to read the details, is all actually printed in the local Miami Herald and it's Spanish counterpart every day ( a liberal publication no less), plus countless first hand accounts from Venezuelan refugees on Radio/TV shows, many former reporter, business people and former government officials that have been forced through harassment to leave the country, the numbers are so great that immigration began requiring entry visas to stem the flow of Venezuelan staying behind illegally.
Venezuela’s is now swimming with Castro's secret service agents that are orchestrating the slow moving take over from within, (Castro is quoted on FILM saying that when he’s gone he’ll leave behind another Communist/Socialist heaven for the US ) many agents are pretending to be "Doctors" and are working inside the Army and Securities agencies, this is a well known fact among many Venezuelans exiles and in Caracas with even some military personal and current brave officials speaking out on local Radio shows from Venezuela at the risk of been jailed or worse; During the "recall" campaign many opponent groups were assaulted in the streets (and later in their homes) by well organized armed mobs who even killed many, (featured on US evening news but they never follow up) this people, caught on tape and later identified as Chavez supporters are still walking around and never charged, Chavez has organized Block by Block mini spy agencies under the disguise of "protection committees" to keep watch on the population, just like in Castro's Cuba, newspapers are been closed down under new laws created by Chavez cronies judges and reporters are jailed and harassed for reporting any anti-government news, Private TV stations are threaten with closure (by pulling operating license) if they continue to give a voice to those that speak against the government, apparently there is a new law that stipulates free speech doesn’t include opponents of the regime, Chaves is confiscating properties, again using newly created laws that stipulates that idle private properties can be nationalized with out compensation, this is all classic text book ‘take over’ techniques taken from Castro’s master book, later they’ll move into Face II , and by then it will be to late for Venezuela, all this are facts printed on The Herald and others publications thru the years, I’m sure your local paper doesn’t give to much space to matters from the Americas, and if at all is buried in the back pages, most Americans are very ignorant about this subject, but because of the local population down here they dedicate a complete English section to the “Americas” and the Spanish version goes into even more details that are to numerous to keep track even for me.
Already members of the State Department including Condalisa Rise are accusing Chavez or fomenting and financing Leftist Guerrillas in Colombia (they (Colombia) has massive proof including caught commanders that confessed) and instigating unrest in Bolivia, but of course you don’t believe anything your Government says, you rather believe and trust the enemies of America instead. Right?
Maybe you should move 90 miles south and get a real taste of what you preach, I will certainly miss your postings here (probably not :lol: ) since it is illegal to own a PC much less use an Internet account even if you had a working phone line to begin with, Have you ever come across a regular Cuban citizen (from the Island) posting online? Ahh, the merits of Socialism and leftist Dictatorship, this level of ‘success’ is what blind leftist "useful fools" want to bring to the US shores. Right?.I don't believe being socialist makes him or anyone else who has this philosophy inherently bad. In fact it's socialism that we are using now to help our fellow Americans in this hurricane crisis.
Funny how desperately hard you and your misguided leftist friends are trying to make an ‘issue’ of a non-event, (just like Chavez’s lefties cronies) I’ll bet you didn’t raise any arguments when wealthy reverend and exposed liar Jesse Jackson ran for President twice while he had the “ear” (and support) of avowed enemies of America and the free world like Castro, Ortega (Nicaragua) Assat (Syria) Hussein and so many others he met with I can’t even recall any longer. HmmmmmThis wealthy republican televangalist ran for President in 1988. Most importantly, he is a friend of Bush and who has Bush's ear.
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Well Mixmachine I did a quick google on Chavez and the Miami Herald, http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11836342.htm
This article when read in it's entirety went on to say there was no conclusive evidence that Chavez is interfering with Bolivia.
I suspect 2 things here. One, as with the CNN article on poverty, you are doing selective filtering and not ingesting an entire report or article. Two, you are not doing this because you are part of that rabid anti-Castro group in Miami that have completely lost perspective.
While I won't claim to be an expert on Chavez. I have had more than a casual interest on this topic. First I, like most Americans have little trust in the Bush adminstration. My first assumption when they say something is it's a lie, ie mushroom clouds delivered by Saddam, weapons of mass destruction, democracy to Iraq, oil revenues will pay for the war, and on, and on. So when Condi or any of these guys say something against Chavez my immediate assumption...here comes another lie. Bush & Co. are the people that were all too eager to support the failed coup of the Chavez administration.
Allow me to help you with some critical thinking here. What one thing do Venezuala and Iraq have. Umm....ummm...oil :o
Chavez has nationalized some of the nation's oil resources to benefit primarily poor people of that nation. Guess what? The DC oil gang don't like that. In fact, Saddam had threatened the same thing though for less noble reasons. We know what happened to him. If Bush cares about anything, it's oil and the money and his buds are gonna make.
As for the land redistribution, my understanding is he is enforcing some thing that had been done prior to his government. I know it sucks but apparently it was felt that the nation's poor people should have some land. It shouldn't all belong to a handfull of wealthy people. When the land was initially given, these poor people had no deed to the properties and eventually lost it. Chavez apparently is fixing that. I suspect these are the people with the bucks flying into Miami crying about how it sucks to not walk all over the poor indigenous people any more.
As for the physicians, I have no idea how many may be Cuban agents. What I have heard was Cuba has tons of doctors. Venezuala has oil. Chavez worked out an oil doctor/exchange deal because Venezualans need more doctors.
Look, I'm not saying Chavez is a saint. He may be, I don't know. I do know the people voted for him overwhemingly.
I also wont bore you with the socialism thing because I think we went through this a year or so ago. You just better hope you don't flat on your ass and have to look for government assistance!
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After having spent my life in the Socialist Utopia of Massachusetts I can no longer afford to pay for everyone else's handouts (ie DemocRat election purchases) so I have sold my house, cashed in my 401Ks and will soon leave this North American Socialist Heaven for economic and political freedom elsewhere.
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Like I said before Discoman, best of luck to ya. Are you still going to Florida?
Out of curiosity, have you noticed that for the most part the socialist states are the generally more productive states? CA, NY, MA, IL, OR, WA, CT, etc. These are the states most people wanna live in. Yes TX, and FL have natural resources and lucky for them.
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Oh, Mixmachine. Referring to my comment about anti-Castro people losing perspective. My additional response to this socialism hysteria includes this refugee act that provides for among other things, cash and medical assistance to Cuban and Haitian refugees funded by US taxpayers.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/geninfo/
Perhaps you know people who benefitted from this socialist program.
My favorite bit of hypocracy though is from I beleive hurricane Hugo a few decades back. There were these south Florida Reagan voters who were running there mouth off about pulling yourself by your own bootstrap. In other words stop relying on the government. Of course they were singing a different tune when the hurricane hit. The government and FEMA couldn't act fast enough for 'em.
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Ya sure. That's why Massachusetts was the only state in the union to lose population in 2004. The exodus continues this year. Companies can't bail out of this state fast enough. The costs to keep warm from December through March are projected to run $3500 to $6000. People up here can't afford that.These are the states most people wanna live in.
Paul, do you think ALL of Massachusetts is like Cambridge?
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Sadly no :(
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Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands?
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Close...Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands?
Here's more, at a social function I attended last night (I provided the Disco music) I was talking to a local attorney who handles real estate closings as part of her practice. She was telling me that over the past few weeks she had closed on 15 properties sold by baby boomers who had had enough of Socialist Massachusetts and were moving to Florida. Her experience had piqued her curiosity and she's waiting to see the outmigration numbers for 2005.
Where will the DemocRats in Boston get the money to sustain their communist heaven when those of us paying their vig finally bail out?
Paul, since you're a committed Marxist, why don't you help out your DemocRat comrades in Boston and move to Massachusetts?
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And I assure you the help was welcomed by all, even if I can’t help to believe that it is the least American generous and wise legislators could have done for all those abandoned and sold out behind the Iron Curtain 90 miles to the south because of the mistakes of your beloved JFK.
In any case, American taxpayers should be very pleased with the generous 'return' on their initial investment, you should visit Miami sometime and see what was done with a few empty acres of crocodile infested swamps.
And using a temporary *Humanitarian* aid program given to destitute and uprooted political refugees from any corner of the troubled world as an example of a socialist program is a stretch that only the crooked mind of a desperate demoralized leftist reaching for straws could conjure up. I suppose in your view the Billions in Aid the USA spreads yearly around the world’s poor countries are also a Socialist program? It is call Foreign Aid for a reason.
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Are you equating central government aid after a National disaster with sitting by the porch downing a six pack and waiting for the welfare check while complaining how bad every thing is? :lol: You are such a sorry case :lol:My favorite bit of hypocracy though is from I beleive hurricane Hugo a few decades back. There were these south Florida Reagan voters who were running there mouth off about pulling yourself by your own bootstrap. In other words stop relying on the government. Of course they were singing a different tune when the hurricane hit. The government and FEMA couldn't act fast enough for 'em.
FEMA and the Government distributes *our* hard earn tax money back after it was entrusted to them by the citizens, FEMA is similar to a Federal “Insurance policy” not a Socialist program, it is a Central Government Emergency *Management* agency and the most effective way to better determine and distribute *humanitarian* and *temporary* aid to victims both in materials and funds.
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So you read *one* article and you are ready to pass judgment? :lol: Besides I said this is mainly a Liberal paper, you need to read between the lines and know they will always skew the news to the left.="paul"]Well Mixmachine I did a quick google on Chavez and the Miami Herald,
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11836342.htm
This article when read in it's entirety went on to say there was no conclusive evidence that Chavez is interfering with Bolivia.
the only one spining the facts with out a shread of credibility is you and you liberal/leftist friend, every thing you touched and said in the past 50 years has been a lie a fraud and a failure.I suspect 2 things here. One, as with the CNN article on poverty, you are doing selective filtering and not ingesting an entire report or article. Two, you are not doing this because you are part of that rabid anti-Castro group in Miami that have completely lost perspective.
I know , you are only experts in twisting and spinning the facts, supporting the enemies and undermining the efforts at home, Take a look at Viet-Nam, not many past administrations have been so clear in their intent, right or wrong, they say what they'll do and they do it.While I won't claim to be an expert on Chavez. I have had more than a casual interest on this topic. First I, like most Americans have little trust in the Bush adminstration. My first assumption when they say something is it's a lie, ie mushroom clouds delivered by Saddam, weapons of mass destruction, democracy to Iraq, oil revenues will pay for the war, and on, and on. So when Condi or any of these guys say something against Chavez my immediate assumption...here comes another lie.
A liberal lie promoted by American leftists with out any evidence or facts, and first brought up by enemies of America like Castro and Chavez trying to foment patriotism and rally supporters at home to stay in power. Stop reading Salon.com :lol:Bush & Co. are the people that were all too eager to support the failed coup of the Chavez administration.
Liberals /Leftist said this before, the war was to take over the oil production for America, well I don't know, because oil is more scarce and expensive than ever and Gas is 3.00 a gallon, what does this fact do to your kakameni argument now?Allow me to help you with some critical thinking here. What one thing do Venezuela and Iraq have. Umm....ummm...oil :o
this statement would be funny if it weren't so pathetic, this is the same thing leftist said in America about Castro in the 60's, take a look at the results..Chavez has nationalized some of the nation's oil resources to benefit primarily poor people of that nation.
Poor soul, it must be hard waking up everyday to carry so much useless leftist garbage, you've grown so used to your charlatan con-artist so call "leaders" that you think every one is the same.Guess what? The DC oil gang don't like that. In fact, Saddam had threatened the same thing though for less noble reasons. We know what happened to him. If Bush cares about anything, it's oil and the money and his buds are gonna make.
The land belongs to whom ever owns it legally and has the paper work to prove it, this assertions are a smoke screen to “reward” and buy off his supporters, the lands are idle because the markets have been destroyed by Chavez policies, taking lands from those that know how to work it and giving it to supporters that can’t farm will not help any one, take a look at Sugar production in Cuba, 6 to 8 tons before Castro to exporting from abroad now! Communism and Socialism equivalent to complete ruin!!!!As for the land redistribution, my understanding is he is enforcing some thing that had been done prior to his government. I know it sucks but apparently it was felt that the nation's poor people should have some land. It shouldn't all belong to a handful of wealthy people. When the land was initially given, these poor people had no deed to the properties and eventually lost it. Chavez apparently is fixing that.
What sucks is the country’s economy has been destroyed, this people are not allowed to take their property and /or their funds and move abroad, the Governments keeps it all, and still they rather leave it all behind to escape the astronomical poverty and out of control crime!!!!! Brought on since Chavez take over.I suspect these are the people with the bucks flying into Miami crying about how it sucks to not walk all over the poor indigenous people any more.
Cubans once again are sold out as slave to the highest bidder to afford Castro’s stay in power, in the 70’s it was the Soviet Empire that required Cubans to die and fight in Africa in countries like Angola and Ethiopia to pay off the debt, now young doctors are pimped out to Chavez for oil at the expense of Cubans health in the Island, read about how essential medical service has deteriorated in the island since the dictator began to sell out the best sons and daughters again, even Castro was forced to acknowledge the problem and general discontent, especially when foreigners get preferential treatment in the Island ahead of locals.As for the physicians, I have no idea how many may be Cuban agents. What I have heard was Cuba has tons of doctors. Venezuala has oil. Chavez worked out an oil doctor/exchange deal because Venezualans need more doctors.
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Like I said Mixmachine, your rants and ravings would be more meaningful for me if you provide some source. You didn't provide me any. In fact I took your advice. I googled Bolivia, Chavez, and Miami Herald. Apparently you didn't like what was said. So, give me some sources especially since you are all over the map here.
2 quick points. There is a misunderstaning that we, the American populace would benefit from taking Iraqi oil. Bush doesn't care about that. This oilman is interested in him and his ilk making money at our expense. By the way, perhaps Saddam was really dangerous. How did he manage to get our oil in Iraq? :roll:
Secondly, when the government takes money from one group and redistributes this money to another, in this case Cubans, it's humanitarian not socialist. Ah MIx, you amuse me. :lol:
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Paul, have you chosen your new home? Is it Caracas? Or Havana? You're not THAT committed so it must be Cambridge. Cambridge is full of armchair communists such as yourself.
For the record: I had my fill of you left wing types when I was intimately involved with the anti-war movement during Vietnam. :evil:
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if you expect me to do your leg work for you (typical leftist mode operandi) you are mistaken, I read many different sources and watch and listen to many different radio and tV shows, and I'm certainly not going to waste any of my extra time to proof to you what are reported facts by many experts in the subject. You want to rebuke the statements you find your own links, you free loafer you :lol: :lol:
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I will help my comreds if they request it. More likely though, the exodus of Nazis from the state will mean addition by subtraction at every level
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I'm working to bring communism to San Diego. We are hopefully one election away from electing a progressive mayor.
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Pretty weak Paul.
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Why not let Chavez have his own oil and run his country?
We do not need to be dependant on foreign oil. There's wicked corruption in every country including this one and when you barter you support and further foreign policies. If you overthrow Chavez, chaos and even more corruption will occur.
Where the real question and shift in policy will occur is when these pro-Bush neo-conservative imperalists have to get off their butts and fight a war on six fronts to defend these statements.
I strongly believe that the religious right and neo-conservatives would tend to become more traditional conservative/fundamentalist and isolationalist if drafted by Kingpin GW. Even DISCOMAN eludes to a Vietnam war protest in a previous post.
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Pat Robertson, a private tax-paying citizen? Organized religions have been abusing their tax free platform for years to lobby politically. What we, progressives need to do is lobby to tax organized religion...i.e. all churches, and stocks and bonds.
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