Towards A Change Of Regime In Venezuela?

[paul]

So to underscore what I've been saying about economies, here's this:

The rich really do own the world

A major study of wealth distribution reveals the richest 2 per cent own more than half of global household assets



globeandmail.com: The rich really do own the world

[Videoskooter]

Yep, that's breath-taking! (I don't belong to that 2% )

[Nano]

I'm usually refraining from participate in this section of the forums. But I want to tell Paul he has my support in his one-against-all battle. Go for it my friend!

I'm not a Chavez fan (nor even a Castro fan for that matter) but I always noted something in the claims the USA Government make to other countries (same of our other friends here). It's this:

They always talk about Democracy this, Democracy that, free vote changes all, etc. etc. Now, the minute some country uses Democracy and free vote to elect someone they don't like, they won't admit it: this guy is the Devil, elections are rigged and so on. And usually "we don't like him" means actually "he does not fit our interests".

I don't hear them asking for Democracy in CHINA. They even supported that country entering the WTO. But then, China is willing to make business with the U.S. and is 2,000 times bigger than Cuba. So, those same "issues" (weapons of mass destruction, human rights violations, "leftism", "populism", "Communism") thrown at the "evil axe" countries do not matter in the China-U.S. relationship.

The bottom line: the USA remember those issues when it's convenient for them. And those who believe its Government is supporting real ideals or ideologies at this point -no matter who's in charge in the White House-, are just naive enough to do free P&A for them. The real matter is MONEY, as always.

[paul]

Thank you Nano.
I support just and fair principles even if unpopular.

[Mixmachine]

Here is another of Paul’s “Heroes” handy work at the behest of Castro, this are the leftist scum that Paul supports, and the two faced leaders that criticize the US for trying to deport illegal immigrants. The nerve!!.

"The Bolivian government has announced plans to deport a prominent Cuban dissident who publicly criticized President Evo Morales' close ties to Havana. Dr. Amauris Sanmartino, a Cuban who holds permanent residence status in Bolivia, will be expelled under a 1996 law forbidding immigrants from criticizing the government."

Medicina Cubana: Bolivian government has announced plans to deport a prominent Cuban dissident doctor.

"Dr Sanmartino was arrested and detained recently in Santa Cruz hooded and handcuffed, he was driven to the capital, La Paz, Bolivian authorities claim he violated a law that bans immigrants from getting involved in the country’s politics, A presidential spokesman claims the Dr Sanmartino was in the country “illegally appearing on the communications media on various occasions to denigrate “President” Castro”

From the Miami Herald (on today’s editorial which I can’t find online yet)

MiamiHerald.com | 12/27/2006 | Bolivia's effort to deport Cuban dissident draws criticism

FederalNewsRadio - WFED: Bolivia Asks U.S. for Help With Deportee

Long time Cuba refuges residents of Venezuela’s have also been persecuted by YUGO Chavez’ regime, some have been forced to leave everything behind once again as they escaped to the US.

Hey, Paul, you are a lucky dog , here in America we don’t have such laws, other wise you’d find yourself back in Jamaica’s slums before you can whistle “cocomotion”.

[DiscoMan]

The DNC oughtta hire Chavez to replace Howard Dean. Then he can teach the democRat leadership the finer points of communism and usurping power.

[paul]

Happy New Year all.
Fun to see some things haven't changed
Mix, I hope they hang the Doc for criticing my comrade
Seriously though, you know I'm opposed to these sorts of anti free speech activities and quite possibly laws in Bolivia. We'll have to see how this all plays out. Reading what you've sent, it seems at worst he won't end up in Cuba. I suppose you could always have the doc stay with you in Miami Mix.
As for me being deported back to JA "slums," by appearances I lived in one as a kid but in all other ways I was fortunate to have grown up among great people there. Aside from that however, I'm a naturalized citizen so short of bush violating my constitutional rights (i.e. Padilla) being deported wont happen. Sorry Mix, I'll remain a pain in your ass.
Hey DM, where do you think Dean learned the finer points of socialism.
You don't know how much it pleases me to know you wingnuts get unhinged at the very thought of Dean. God (figure of speech), I wish I could get Dean to run again. I just love to see you repugs crap in you pants/panties just thinking about Dean.

[DiscoMan]

Dean learned all about communism in Vermont. Are you s****in' me !? There are as many Bolsheviks in Vermont as there are in Cambridge, MA.
Dean doesn't bother me -he's a buffoon and is right where he belongs. Unless he's replaced by Chavez.

[Marcio**]

In South America there's a female politician that really like the anti US/Bush ideas of President Hugo Chávez, her name is Alicia Castro.

[DiscoMan]

Then vote for her and her communist ideals.

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by Nano

They always talk about Democracy this, Democracy that, free vote changes all, etc. etc. Now, the minute some country uses Democracy and free vote to elect someone they don't like, they won't admit it: this guy is the Devil, elections are rigged and so on. And usually "we don't like him" means actually "he does not fit our interests".

Democracy and free vote ?? , Freedom of expresion in Venezuela????

Only lefitst "useful fools" believe that. !!!!!

"Inexorably, Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez is moving to silence his critics, the latest target being the private media. Last week, he took steps to make good on longtime threats to shut down broadcasters who don't agree with his ''revolutionary'' vision"

"This is Mr. Chávez's latest step on the road to authoritarian reign."

"A 2004 media-content law, for example, threatens television and radio stations with heavy fines or license suspension for broadcasting anything found by the government to ''condone or incite'' public disturbances or that is ''contrary to national security.''

MiamiHerald.com | 01/05/2007 | Silencing media critics in Venezuela

MiamiHerald.com | 01/03/2007 | Venezuelan cardinal urges keeping TV station on the air

[paul]

Mix, despite all the Miami based propaganda you regurgitate here; I have found very little if anything that substantiates the anti-Chavez rhetoric.
The people of Venezuela still have their freedoms and their right to vote.
As for the media, you fail to state as in Rwanda for example, it was the media that was use as a tool to start coups and violence by those opposed to the government. The law you refer to I’m sure is probably not much different from laws here. I don't believe media outlets in the US are allowed to condone or incite public disturbances, or supports threats to national security.
Let me ask you something Mix. Is part of the reason for hating Chavez is Venezuela’s desire to prosecute Luis Posada in Venezuela? I've heard this alleged terrorist is a hero to some in Miami.

[Mixmachine]

Mix, despite all the

Miami based propaganda you regurgitate here; I have found very little if anything that substantiates the anti-Chavez rhetoric.
The people of Venezuela still have their freedoms and their right to vote.

What you call “propaganda” are nothing less than “FACTS” published on The Miami Herald -- a liberal Newspaper no less-- bytop notch investigatingReportersfrom many different organizations, including reporters that mainly write for Spanish Language newspapers of the world, and the fact that you found “very little if anything that substantiates” allegations against Chavez – especially after all the articles pointed out here by me ----speaks volumes about your objectivity and your blinding leftist bias disposition, hence why to me your are nothing but a “useful idiot” ( Before I was trying to be more sensitive by using the word ‘fool’ instead but.. ) , and one that should never be taken seriously, much less ever considered as a wise source for political advice by anyone.

Useful idiot = The tone of usage implies that the "useful idiot" is ignorant of the facts to the extent that they end up unwittingly advancing an adverse cause that they might not otherwise support..


Useful idiot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the media, you fail to state as in Rwanda for example, it was the media that was use as a tool to start coups and violence by those opposed to the government.

I don’t keep up with such details on Rwanda, and frankly there are more pressing issues in this Hemisphere that are more important to me. This thread is about Venezuela, and I’ve provided enough evidence ( readily available out there) to show that if anyone is guilty of trying to manipulate the masses through the Media , The Chavez regime has no parallels among Democratically elected regimes, as anyone can easily read about the recent Chavez government actions condemned by all freedom loving true democracies and organizations.

''The closing of a mass communications outlet is a rare step in the history of our hemisphere and has no precedent in the recent decades of democracy,'' OAS Secretary-General José Miguel Insulza said.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/16395808.htm

The law you refer to I’m sure is probably not much different from laws here. I don't believe media outlets in the

US are allowed to condone or incite public disturbances, or supports threats to national security.

Another fine quote of yours that clearly shows how your kind will twist the facts to try to justified the unjustifiable.

Here in America the government doesn’t close any Media outlet for supporting government opponents, or for reporting the facts even if they lead to discontent among the masses. It happens all the time !!!, ( check the origins of urban Riots to name just one instance) not long ago they even showed a ‘Foreign’ movie depicting the assassination of a sitting President, Bush, an un-precedent disgusting act hailed by some liberals in the USA as “protected freedom of expression”, no one was arrested , banned , or blacklisted by the Government, and the privately owned movie houses that showed this flick are still in Business.

Your Pathetic analogy has no basis what so ever, and neither do you !!

Let me ask you something Mix. Is part of the reason for hating Chavez is Venezuela’s desire to prosecute Luis Posada in Venezuela? I've heard this alleged terrorist is a hero to some in Miami.

This complicated case was brought to trail in a Venezuelan court many years ago where Posada was subsequently found ‘not guilty’., but the Law there apparently allows the government to re-trial a suspect until they get the results they want. He escaped while waiting for years in jail for a new trial.

And my opinion on Chavez has nothing to do with Posada, ( a former CIA agent that served with distinction this country) I just hate Leftist dictators and their supporters , especially the Champagne Glass type, you know, the ones cheering safely from abroad while living in abundance and surrounded in luxury, Sound familiar????

[paul]

The Myth of the Muzzled Media

Mix, the reports I've read show the media played a large role in inciting the failed coup in Venezuela. Having political disagreements is one thing, inciting coups and violence is an entirely different matter. As I said before, any media outlet in the US that did what those guys did and continue to do would have faced heavy fines at a minimum and likely lose there license.
Read the fairness and accuracy in reporting link above. I agree with it. As a supporter of free speech, there is some concern. With that said, there exist a large amount of opposition media in Venezuela run by the people who liked the old system. These aristocrats will fight tooth and nail to resist the paradigm shift happenning with Chavez and his supporters; indeed happening throughout South America. Fortunately, the vast majority of freedom loving people in Venezuela voted for Chavez. Indeed I suspect most freedom loving people worldwide support Chavez
I suspected you supported the terrorist, Posada. I know you don't care how many innocent lives he took because he's anti-Castro. Use that Wikipedia and you'll find your hero is being held by authorities here.
By the way, the Miami Herald is no liberal paper from a liberal's point of view. In fact it's closer to being a reich-wing paper. Apparently it had reporters taking bush money to write stories in order to use mind tricks on you guys.
Media Matters - Letter to The Miami Herald

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

I suspected you supported the terrorist, Posada. I know you don't care how many innocent lives he took because he's anti-Castro. Use that Wikipedia and you'll find your hero is being held by authorities here.
By the way, the Miami Herald is no liberal paper from a liberal's point of view. In fact it's closer to being a reich-wing paper. Apparently it had reporters taking bush money to write stories in order to use mind tricks on you guys.

The reporters were re-hired and the paper apologized many times over to some of the reporters mentioned in that leftist hack piece, they fired the editor and revised their internal rules to avoid confusion, this story was first reported by the Castro government in Havana, even before the Herald, and the main “accuser” that wrote the initial piece on the Herald is believed to be at the very least ‘sympathetic' to the communist dictator and with dubious motivation, probably one of the many ‘plant’ walking around here working against the Cuban exiles, who knows , He may be part of one of the spies groups that have been convicted lately working for Cuba, we’ll probably find out later.

The money paid was for the time and effort involved in preparing the reports, this has always been common practice, and never before any reporters’ integrity was questioned over any of this.. For instance many reporters work for PBS and C-Span and many others from all over the world appear in that Government funded Channel’s newscast, the Reports were mainly produced for Radio/TV Marti and aimed at Cuba’s population, not everything reported here should be considered ‘Government Propaganda’ either, since they also report exactly what is reported in the Networks to inform the Cubans in the Island, some of the columnist’s articles in question were submitted to syndications/Agents that distribute this articles across the world's publications to who ever pays for them, including the US government. It doesn’t mean the reporters work for any government!! Like I said, they were re-instated !!!!


If any one is a victim of ‘Mind tricks’ is you, as your sources are always of dubious distinction and report only half truths.


Posada is from the old guard , and has been fighting against Castro since the 60’s with the CIA, Posada and Castro have been trying to kill each other for decades, Posada carries the scars in his face of Castro’s attempt. So who is really the terrorist ?? well , all I know that Castro’s atrocities are well documented all around the Americas, while Posada’s are all not proven.

By the way he’s is in custody for ‘illegal entry’ into the USA, nothing else.