Towards A Change Of Regime In Venezuela?

[Videoskooter]

Instead of replying to this excellent analysis by Mixmachine, Paul has quickly decided to publish his Yugo-bull in another thread.

Too much facts are simply too painful for the guy who wants to move the Israëlis to Texas and wants to change the USA in a communist and state-controlled country.

Too bad, Paulie has never lived under a communist or leftist regime as many of my family did (Poland, DDR, Romania).

If he had he wouldn't promote that kind of inhuman sh*t doctrines here!

Paul is a typical example of a guy who visits leftist think-thanks, brabbles with great "intellectual" minds at the local pub. Then drives home in his American sportscar to HIS house, opens a six-pack and starts to write here that we all are criminals because we have properties.

On questions if he would share his wage with the poor or to allow his boss to hire foreign workers (immigrants), he of course stays very vague.

I see his ilk passing by on our daily Belgian news. One after another Socialist is arrested for fraud, stealing taxmoney, bribery and it usually are the ones that shout: "The hell with those dirty capitalists, give the people the power, let the workers unite and overthrow the rightist governments.

Paul would have been big in the USSR, driving his Zil-limousine, living in his private landhouse, eating and drinking everything he wants while the common Russian struggled for life in this oh-so-great-political-doctrine.

He's right on 1 thing though: almost everybody was poor and needy BITD, they were all equal.

Massive rise of unemployment, crime, drug traffic in Venezuela: Paulie doesn't care, Paulie doesn't want to hear about it, Paulie says it's all OK. Paulie is a salon.communist. Safe and comfortable in his cozy sofa, changing the world from his lounge (whilst profiting all the benefits the American economy offers).

You won't see him on the barricades though!

Paulie supports: Yugo Chavez, "Madmuftis" Ahmadinnejad and Khamenei of Iran, Kim Jung Il of North-Korea, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, Al Aqsa-Brigades from Palestinia and Lebanon, Jihad, and has even written some understanding words on Bin Laden.

Paulie supports all the great friends of the USA

[paul]

LOL...
Paulie is still laughing.

[paul]

Ok, Paulie is done laughing, now I can gather my thoughts.

Instead of replying to this excellent analysis by Mixmachine, Paul has quickly decided to publish his Yugo-bull in another thread.
Point taken. In my opinion however, the assertions appeared circular.
Perhaps you have some points you would like to discuss!

Too much facts are simply too painful for the guy who wants to move the Israëlis to Texas and wants to change the USA in a communist and state-controlled country.
My Israeli solution, while logistically difficult is superior IMHO to the day after day carnage, pettiness, reprisals with no end in sight!

Too bad, Paulie has never lived under a communist or leftist regime as many of my family did (Poland, DDR, Romania).

If he had he wouldn't promote that kind of inhuman sh*t doctrines here!
Does reading count!?

Paul is a typical example of a guy who visits leftist think-thanks, brabbles with great "intellectual" minds at the local pub. Then drives home in his American sportscar to HIS house, opens a six-pack and starts to write here that we all are criminals because we have properties.
No, not because you have property, Because you want ALL THE PROPERTY while the other 99% eek out a meager existence living in squalor.

On questions if he would share his wage with the poor or to allow his boss to hire foreign workers (immigrants), he of course stays very vague.

I see his ilk passing by on our daily Belgian news. One after another Socialist is arrested for fraud, stealing taxmoney, bribery and it usually are the ones that shout: "The hell with those dirty capitalists, give the people the power, let the workers unite and overthrow the rightist governments.

Paul would have been big in the USSR, driving his Zil-limousine, living in his private landhouse, eating and drinking everything he wants while the common Russian struggled for life in this oh-so-great-political-doctrine.

He's right on 1 thing though: almost everybody was poor and needy BITD, they were all equal.

Massive rise of unemployment, crime, drug traffic in Venezuela: Paulie doesn't care, Paulie doesn't want to hear about it, Paulie says it's all OK. Paulie is a salon.communist. Safe and comfortable in his cozy sofa, changing the world from his lounge (whilst profiting all the benefits the American economy offers).
Apparently a majority of Venezualans and I are of the same mind.

You won't see him on the barricades though!

Paulie supports: Yugo Chavez, "Madmuftis" Ahmadinnejad and Khamenei of Iran, Kim Jung Il of North-Korea, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, Al Aqsa-Brigades from Palestinia and Lebanon, Jihad, and has even written some understanding words on Bin Laden.

Paulie supports all the great friends of the USA
I'm insulted You neglected to include Al Qeida, The Taliban, and Castro,

[Videoskooter]

Originally Posted by paul

Ok, Paulie is done laughing, now I can gather my thoughts.

Instead of replying to this excellent analysis by Mixmachine, Paul has quickly decided to publish his Yugo-bull in another thread.
Point taken. In my opinion however, the assertions appeared circular.
Perhaps you have some points you would like to discuss! We have, but you always spin them and actually we get tired of it!

Too much facts are simply too painful for the guy who wants to move the Israëlis to Texas and wants to change the USA in a communist and state-controlled country.
My Israeli solution, while logistically difficult is superior IMHO to the day after day carnage, pettiness, reprisals with no end in sight!

Too much Mary Jane in your brain perhaps????

Too bad, Paulie has never lived under a communist or leftist regime as many of my family did (Poland, DDR, Romania).

If he had he wouldn't promote that kind of inhuman sh*t doctrines here!
Does reading count!?

So, all your ideas come out of books???? You ARE a salon.communist! I have my info from REAL people who LIVED under that regime.

Paul is a typical example of a guy who visits leftist think-thanks, brabbles with great "intellectual" minds at the local pub. Then drives home in his American sportscar to HIS house, opens a six-pack and starts to write here that we all are criminals because we have properties.
No, not because you have property, Because you want ALL THE PROPERTY while the other 99% eek out a meager existence living in squalor.

That's QUINNY-BULL and you know it. I don't want 99%. That's the typical Marxistic fascism-nonsense you are trying to spread over this board! You can do much better Paulie, you are slightly becoming a cartoon!


On questions if he would share his wage with the poor or to allow his boss to hire foreign workers (immigrants), he of course stays very vague.

I see his ilk passing by on our daily Belgian news. One after another Socialist is arrested for fraud, stealing taxmoney, bribery and it usually are the ones that shout: "The hell with those dirty capitalists, give the people the power, let the workers unite and overthrow the rightist governments.

Paul would have been big in the USSR, driving his Zil-limousine, living in his private landhouse, eating and drinking everything he wants while the common Russian struggled for life in this oh-so-great-political-doctrine.

He's right on 1 thing though: almost everybody was poor and needy BITD, they were all equal.

Massive rise of unemployment, crime, drug traffic in Venezuela: Paulie doesn't care, Paulie doesn't want to hear about it, Paulie says it's all OK. Paulie is a salon.communist. Safe and comfortable in his cozy sofa, changing the world from his lounge (whilst profiting all the benefits the American economy offers).
Apparently a majority of Venezualans and I are of the same mind.

Again, no mentioning of the threats Chavistas are exercising on THE people. Paulie AND the Venezuelans. Come down to earth my friend. People who read your posts may get the impression that you are a revolutiony leader

You won't see him on the barricades though!

Paulie supports: Yugo Chavez, "Madmuftis" Ahmadinnejad and Khamenei of Iran, Kim Jung Il of North-Korea, Hezbollah, Al Fatah, Al Aqsa-Brigades from Palestinia and Lebanon, Jihad, and has even written some understanding words on Bin Laden.

Paulie supports all the great friends of the USA
I'm insulted You neglected to include Al Qeida, The Taliban, and Castro,

Luckily you still live in a democracy. In all the countries of your HEROES your head would already be chopped of

Can we still post? Do you have time to read it or are you to busy with state-affairs? BTW, I always forget to ask! Paulie, what's your political title? Congressman, Senator, Secretary, Head Of State??? Or do you wish to stay ingognito

[paul]

Tsk, tsk. A little angry are we? And umm what did Quinny have to do with this?
The points made so far were/are easily discredited as evidenced by the fact that I rarely if ever see any supporting arguments for the points given. Rants and opinions are fine as we all have them but that's all they are.
Ultimately, the free elections are what really matters. 2/3 of Venezuala's population clearly see things differently from the picture you paint. In fact looking at central and South America, they see it differently as well. Some of these nations had experiences with both sides of the political spectrum and have now decided to go left, ie Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua!
As for my political title, I'm merely a member of the unwashed masses. I have no special or elite political connection.
Why do conservatives hate the common man /woman? Why is it so important to retain every single dime in the economy while leaving the other 90 odd percent to grovel? I find this sort of inhumanity detestable!

[Videoskooter]

Originally Posted by paul

Tsk, tsk. A little angry are we? And umm what did Quinny have to do with this?

Angry about politics? Never! It's not worth it Quinny always make such attacks on me. He must think that I am a Tycoon


The points made so far were/are easily discredited as evidenced by the fact that I rarely if ever see any supporting arguments for the points given. Rants and opinions are fine as we all have them but that's all they are.
Ultimately, the free elections are what really matters. 2/3 of Venezuala's population clearly see things differently from the picture you paint. In fact looking at central and South America, they see it differently as well. Some of these nations had experiences with both sides of the political spectrum and have now decided to go left, ie Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua!

You'll never hear me say that the rightist South-American leaders did a great job!! But I look through populists like YUGO (and it may come as a surprise but even our European leftist leaders don't like him). You know people like him always start with good intentions, do something good for the people and then become blinded by power and end up being ruthless dictators!

As for my political title, I'm merely a member of the unwashed masses. I have no special or elite political connection.
Why do conservatives hate the common man /woman?

Isn't that too easy? I'm a conservative and I absolutely don't hate the common man. I'm one myself! BTW, one of Belgium's great leftist leaders once said and I quote: "We have to decide for the people because they don't have the intellectual capacities to manage their lives. They depend on an elite like us to survive." The man is still big in the Socialist movement!

Why is it so important to retain every single dime in the economy while leaving the other 90 odd percent to grovel? I find this sort of inhumanity detestable!

How many yachts do you need to water-ski??? That's a fact! Why does a moviestar needs 10 houses? You are right about that one but you are so wrong if you think that communism is the answer! History has proved that already!

[paul]

I never said communism was the answer, though you guys frequently use it on me. No problem
I have said before that I favor a mixed economy and system of capitalism and socialism. Most every succesfull nation on the globe uses a combination of these two ideologies to varying degrees.

[paul]

Who said this?

"We have to decide for the people because they don't have the intellectual capacities to manage their lives. They depend on an elite like us to survive."

[Videoskooter]

The current president of the Belgian Socialist Movement.

[Videoskooter]

Originally Posted by paul

I never said communism was the answer, though you guys frequently use it on me. No problem
I have said before that I favor a mixed economy and system of capitalism and socialism. Most every succesfull nation on the globe uses a combination of these two ideologies to varying degrees.

Paul, you are not a liberal, you are not a socialist. The views you publish here are Marxist. If you do not agree on this, then maybe you should choose your words more carefully.

Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here you'll find Paul's doctrine, read 'em carefully:

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Principles of Communism

Nuff Said

[paul]

Actually, I am quite familiar with the doctrines and philosophies I espouse. And while I don't view communism as the dirty word some of you are inclined to view it as, I believe like pure capitalism it has many pitfalls given the nature of humanity.
Nice attempt at defining me but I'm a proud liberal who believes in a mixed economy. Of course you are entitled to believe whatever you want

[Videoskooter]

But Paul you are not a LIBERAL. Liberalism means utterly free market economy. Ruthless capitalism. The law of the fittest. No state interference whatsoever. Every individual must be free and take care of himself. That's liberalism. You don't have a Liberal party in the US!

You don't get it do you? European Liberal parties are the biggest supporters of the Neo-conservative (thus Republican) doctrine. That is a fact. You are a Socialist. Your views fit well in the programs of our Socialist parties. You would not stand a chance as a member of the Belgian Liberals.

[paul]

I suspected we had a difference in interpretation.
The American definition is different from the European. Remember that political quiz I posted here. Remember a few like myself came up as liberal because this was based on American usage.
Note the American Heritage definition below.

liberal. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

[Videoskooter]

There's indeed a difference. Europeans tend to see the US as a two partysystem but with 2 parties that are rightwing. Demos are moderate rightwing, Repubs are extreme rightwing.

F.I. in Flanders/Belgium (and I know you're interested in our politics) we have many parties.

-CD&V: Christian-Democrats (Right)-I'm a member of that party and I'll be on the list next election (support-not to be elected)
-NVA: Nationalists (Right)
-Vlaams Belang (Extreme-Right) Fascist doctrine, biggest party here.
-VLD: Liberals (Right)
-SPA: Socialists (Left)
-Spirit: Progressive (Left)
-Green: Communists (Extreme-left)
-PVDA: Marxists (Very extreme-left)

Wallonia/Belgium:

-PS: Socialists (Left)
-MR: Liberals (Right)
-CDH: Christian-Democrats (Right)
-Ecolo: Communists (Extreme-Left)
-FN: Fascists (Extreme-right)

[paul]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

There's indeed a difference. Europeans tend to see the US as a two partysystem but with 2 parties that are rightwing. Demos are moderate rightwing, Repubs are extreme rightwing.

F.I. in Flanders/Belgium (and I know you're interested in our politics) we have many parties.

-CD&V: Christian-Democrats (Right)-I'm a member of that party and I'll be on the list next election (support-not to be elected)
-NVA: Nationalists (Right)
-Vlaams Belang (Extreme-Right) Fascist doctrine, biggest party here.
-VLD: Liberals (Right)
-SPA: Socialists (Left)
-Spirit: Progressive (Left)
-Green: Communists (Extreme-left)
-PVDA: Marxists (Very extreme-left)

Wallonia/Belgium:

-PS: Socialists (Left)
-MR: Liberals (Right)
-CDH: Christian-Democrats (Right)
-Ecolo: Communists (Extreme-Left)
-FN: Fascists (Extreme-right)

I agree with you Euros with regards to Dems and Repubs being right and very right wings respectively. That is why I call I define myself as liberal first, Dem second, and I frequently criticize the dems.
There are some lib politicians i like, like Dean and Feingold for example. Right now there is a battle for the soul of this party!