Republican National Convention Schedule:*Revised, July 2004

[Videoskooter]

First I have a lot of respect for those who served in Vietnam. Young people who were send there by politicians.

And I do know it's a trauma in American society and history.

But I don't understand that these themes are taking over the elections instead of debating more about creating jobs, health-care issues and caring for eachother.

I hear Kerry and Edwards touching those problems but I don't hear much on these issues from the Bush-clan.

"War on this, war on that, shoot them down, smoke 'em out, seek and destroy" is almost all you hear when they come out. Why, because they simply don't care about people, they only care about their agenda. Tax-cuts for the richest is creating more jobs and welfare???? Wake up!

Tax-cuts for the middle-classes, that's creating a good economy! Those are the consumers and when they get paid better they will help reviving the economy. Every economist will agree with that.

Will Kerry be the Boy-wonder? No, but he will be more moderate and less arrogant and that will have more effect on safety and social security than the Bush-politics that's dividing America now.

When I read all the music-stuff here I see people with different opinions but generally discussing in good spirit. When I, as a European, read this part of the forum I can clearly see the complete American division.

Our country's slogan is "Eendracht maakt macht-L'union fait la force" which simply means "Unity makes powerful". Together were strong!

[DISCODISK]

i just heard the first part of the republicans t.v ad

FREEDOM ..IS SPREADING ROUND THE WORLD LIKE SUNSHINE...
YUK!! do people REALLY go for that :roll:

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

So Mixmachine, you are more troubled by Kerry's over the top Vietnam politics than by the chickenhawks who will make it to their convention but managed to evade Vietnam when it was time to put up or shut up? :o

Paul, just because someone didn’t serve in the Armed Forces doesn’t make then “Chicken” or unfit to lead this Nation, if we followed that logic FDR would have never been elected, and Clinton would have never enjoyed so much his afternoon stays in the oval office, fact is that Kerry’s behavior after and during the war doesn’t seat well with the majority of Vets, after so many years they came to terms with what happened and moved on, but now since Kerry opened old wounds and made VietNam an issue in this campaign his past words and actions are now coming back to haunt him, IMO a fatal mistake for his campaign, rubbing ones military record on others comes across as arrogant, self-serving and makes huge chunks of the electorate uncomfortable and made to feel less “worthy” because they never served for millions of other reasons; This is why McGovern didn’t use his WWII record in 72, neither did Bush I or Bob Dole.

Markydefad, is a shame that someone that always sounds so happy and entertaining always approaches Politics from the “Half empty” point of view, infectious Democrats ailment? :roll: The Viet Nam war was but a battle in a Global war waged against Communist expansion orchestrated by the USSR, and as you can see they are no where to be found, even the Chinese are more Capitalist now than we ever imagine possible, lives that were lost in this world wide battle were never lost in vain, they made it possible for you and me to seat here and continue to type this message in English instead of Russian.

[paul]

Almost half are that delusional discodisk.

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

Tax-cuts for the middle-classes, that's creating a good economy! Those are the consumers and when they get paid better they will help reviving the economy. Every economist will agree with that.

The majority of the Tax cuts went to middle class and poor class even got money back without paying any taxes at all, your info is infected by ultra Liberals 'class warfare' agenda, the majority of Taxes in the US are paid by the rich and Corps (65% before 63% now), besides is only fair that if you paid more tax dollars you should received more rebate, the rebate % was equal for everyone! the way it should be! any attempt to over tax one american group more because they are better off and "don't need it" is to close to Socialist/Communist mentality to me and I will always be against that!

[paul]

Hey Mixmachine. A chickenhawk is a term used to describe those who are hawkish or eager to exercise the military option but who failed to serve their country when the opportunity was there.
Bush falls in that category because along with the help of his dad avoided serving in 'Nam, he also stated for the record that he did not want to go there.
Cheney is a chickenhawk because he was too busy and got 5 deferments.
Karl Rove is a chickenhawk. I don't know what he used for an excuse but he didn't serve in Vietnam.
Rumsfeld is a chickenhawk because he decided to take the college ROTC route than shootin' at them commies in Korea when he had the chance.
Limbaugh is a chickenhawk because he found a pimple on his ass which kept him outta 'Nam.
Micheal Medved, another talk show host who I talked to and slammed him for being a chickenhawk. He was all too eager to send his son to Iraq when I argued with him. What a fucking punk!
There are more but I think you get the picture. All these guys are now casting doubt on Kerry's service. Huh? No surprise though. Bush/Rove attacked fellow repug John McCain's service and POW situation. These guys have no shame. It's all about the power.
I generally do I agree that Kerry may have been a little heavy handed in displaying his military service compared to Carter snd daddy Bush for example. I also do agree that military service is no indicator of the kind of president we might get.

[Boodikka]

Paul, don't forget the patron saint of chickenhawks and war wimps: Pat "Where's My Straight Jacket?" Buchanan!

Michael Medved....uuuggggh! It must be tough to be a homophobe AND a closet case.

[paul]

Boodi. Glad to see you. So I gotta slam the righties to get you to post huh :lol:
You are right about Buchanan though he surprised me this time. He was also opposed to the war in Iraq. I heard him say Iraq posed no threat worth the life of one of our soldiers and if we wanted the oil that badly we'll going and take it when we want. Surprising coming from him considering he was a Nixon hawk during the Vietnam War.

[markydefad]

[quote="Mixmachine"

Markydefad, is a shame that someone that always sounds so happy and entertaining always approaches Politics from the “Half empty” point of view, infectious Democrats ailment? :roll:quote]

Mixmaster,

My "half empty" glass will be FULL on November 3, 2004 when the lying scumbags that currently inhabit the White House are evicted. :D

Call the Orkin Man--whole lotta fumigatin' needs to do done in there. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[paul]

Let's hope so Marky!

[markydefad]

BTW, Mixmachine...

I'm glad you find me "happy and entertaining" when I'm not sniping at you over politics!!!! :D :D :D

It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round.....

Now get me the number of Terminix...

TERMINIX 'EM!!!!!!! :D :D :D

[Videoskooter]

Mixmaster, I respect your political opinion but be very careful with the economical analysis that you made in your reply. It simply is a fact that those who did profit from the republican taxcuts where the small percent of incredibly rich and NOT the average middleclass family and certainly not the poor and the people on welfare. If you believe that, you'll probably buy everything the Bush-administration is trying to sell nowadays.

Secondly, it also is a big mistake calling John Kerry an ultra-liberal which he IS NOT. He's a conservative and much more conservative than Bill Clinton was. Bush is not a conservative, he's a right-wing extremist and so is the majority of his entourage.

And why oh why is Kerry so much focusing on the Vietnam-stories. One tip: Halliburton! Second one: the illegal invasion of Iraq which is costing an enormous loss: American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Okay, the dictator is in prison and waiting for his well-deserved sentence. But what have they created over there? A safe and secure country? Are you joking? The Bush-government knows damn well that they are in a serious mess now. Why didn't they throw him out in the first Gulf War, that was a LEGAL war since Saddam invaded another country. Can you explain that to me please?

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

Mixmaster, I respect your political opinion but be very careful with the economical analysis that you made in your reply. It simply is a fact that those who did profit from the republican taxcuts where the small percent of incredibly rich and NOT the average middleclass family and certainly not the poor and the people on welfare. If you believe that, you'll probably buy everything the Bush-administration is trying to sell nowadays.

Oh, I'm very careful my friend, I've got my old paycheck stub here to prove it, what do you got? Some European left wing Rag economic analysis? The same leftist that has been wrong about everything for the last Century? Look around you, never in the history of Human Kind an Ideology has been so thoroughly discredited before, where is your Socialist Utopia? I'll tell you where, in the ashes of History!.

Secondly, it also is a big mistake calling John Kerry an ultra-liberal which he IS NOT. He's a conservative and much more conservative than Bill Clinton was. Bush is not a conservative, he's a right-wing extremist and so is the majority of his entourage.

Really, :lol: how good of you to clear the record for me :lol: Never in the history of the US had we seen a more ULTRA LIBERAL Presidential tickect, this guys never saw a tax increase he didn't like, or an entittlement freebie for FREELOAFERS they didn't want to increase. The only critiria that drives them is HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE TAX !!!!! MORE MORE........

And why oh why is Kerry so much focusing on the Vietnam-stories. One tip: Halliburton!]

you need to replace your drumset skins, they are tired and worn out. Go back to Left Wing Headquorters for a new set of Talking points.

Second one: the illegal invasion of Iraq which is costing an enormous loss: American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Okay, the dictator is in prison and waiting for his well-deserved sentence. But what have they created over there? A safe and secure country? Are you joking? The Bush-government knows damn well that they are in a serious mess now.

Don't worry to much, Americans always take care of their own mess, you can stay there fattening on French cuisine and enjoy the free flow of oil thru the Persian Gulf feeding your economy at the expense of American lives, what else is new!!!!

Why didn't they throw him out in the first Gulf War, that was a LEGAL war since Saddam invaded another country. Can you explain that to me please?

I beleive it had something to do with a pesky UN resolution, you know those guys with America's best interest in mind, ..... :roll:

[Videoskooter]

You scare me my friend.

So, I'm a socialist, a left winger? You don't even know me!

Is that the new republican style? If you don't agree with them you are a menace to society?

I served as a Military Policeman, ok? That's just in case you think I'm a spacecake-hippie.

Socialist Utopia? I never voted for a socialist party in my whole life :evil: That's the Dubya-solution, ain't it? Accusing somebody without proof and then run away or avoid the facts.

The UN a joke? Let's make Bush president of the whole world, right now.

I can have a political discussion but not this way buddy. You are insulting people. Learn history and geography my friend. I'm from Flanders-Belgium so I'm not exactly on French cuisine. France is a different country, for your information. I speak Flemish ok?

I'm sorry but this is not a civilized discussion anymore.

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

Hey Mixmachine. A chickenhawk is a term used to describe those who are hawkish or eager to exercise the military option but who failed to serve their country when the opportunity was there.

HEY Paul, thanks for the clarification, I really don’t keep up with liberal slang, I also like the “Repug” one, and I’ll make a note of it.


So I guess only REPUGS are ChickenHacks, In your defense I must think that some how Democratic Party lackeys got hold of your exhaustive Scientific research and some how edited the list unbeknown to you, how else can I explain that an un-biased chap like you could possibly omit from your list the biggest of all ChickenHacks to grace American politics, this one is not only a National TV confessed ChickenHawk but actually participated in Anti-American demonstrations on foreign land with our enemies and yet, and yet my dear Paul, I’m willing to bet you voted for him not once , but twice, Am I mistaken in saying so? Do you care to take a guess as to the identity of this political ICON revered by all self-respecting Liberals?