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[remicks]

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[remicks]

Originally Posted by DiscoMan

They didn't run to Canada out of "principled conviction" they ran to Canada out of pure cowardice. And they should have stayed there.

Remicks; were you one of those pardoned by Jimmy "I've never met a foriegn despot who hates America I haven't liked" Carter?

No , I was too young to be a cowardly chickenshit and not do my patriotic duty and proudly go off into the jungles of Vietnam.
What again was your excuse .... I mean, principled conviction for not going Discoman ??


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[DiscoMan]

I played selective service roulette and won.

So until you have to face the same choices I suggest you refrain from commenting on a subject of which you know positively nothing.

[remicks]

Originally Posted by DiscoMan

I played selective service roulette and won.

So until you have to face the same choices I suggest you refrain from commenting on a subject of which you know positively nothing.

Ya you "won" all right . You make it sound like it was all a game. While patriots fought in Vietnam ...while patriots moved to Canada ....you "won" .... you did ...nothing. Maybe its you , the ones who did nothing that should refrain from commenting, especialy about who's a chickenshit or not.

I will too . I'm done.


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[DiscoMan]

You should be done as you are totally ignorant of the subject.

[paul]

Interesting discussion.
DM, anyone reading this would conclude you punked out despite the blustering you are going on with. Too afraid to volunteer in that bullshit war in Vietnam but not enough balls to risk citizenship or possible charges down to road by fleeing to Canada. Look, by the conclusion of the war most everyone agreed Americans should not have been in Vietnam. This would include Carter and John Kerry, the man who was there in combat.
The men (Carter and Ford) whom you criticize served in the military. To borrow a quote, war does not make one great. With that said, it's bullshit to hear chickenhawks like yourself DM carry on about serving your country. You do all kinds of spin when ya had the chance to be in wars but dodge them, but talk real tough when your ass isn't on the line. Kinda reminds me of fights in grade school. Anyway, I don't believe one's patriotism or courage is measured by what you describe as a willingness to fight in wars. One of the biggest pro peace liberals out there is George McGovern. He served with distinction in WWII. As with many war vets, one can conclude that seeing the ugliness of war makes them passionate against egaging in them.
Anyway, I still love your taste in music and women DM

[DiscoMan]

Most of us chose to OBEY the LAW - The Selective Service Act - rather than run away to Canada. Obedience to Law is liberty.

[remicks]

Originally Posted by DiscoMan

Most of us chose to OBEY the LAW - The Selective Service Act - rather than run away to Canada. Obedience to Law is liberty.

OK I'm back. It's my thread after all .

You're splitting hairs Discoman . You lucked out because you got off via the draft's numbering system. You never were forced into making the hard choice... to go or not . You could have volunteered but you didn't....that says a lot. But, we'll never know exactly what you'd have done had you been faced with the next step from actually being drafted. Of course it's easy to say now you sure would have gone .... but we all know one thing for sure: YOU DIDN'T.

More than a legal issue like you want to make it... deciding to fight in a war is a moral issue.... it involves killing other human beings. If you don't believe in the cause in the first place how could any decent human being do so. Canada was a good solution for those not wanting to kill or be killed over something they didn't believe in.

I don't mean to be so hard on you .... but you bring it on yourself Discoman .... you come here to this thread thumping your chest (based on what reason?) and have the nerve to blast others as chickenshits. I'm offended by that and say take a look at yourself.

What pisses me off even more is that you are exactly the kind of person that then supports an idiot like Bush ... (he's another that dodged his duties back then .... how come that doesn't bother you ? Oh that's right he did it "legally" .... i.e. through contacts and loopholes ) .....anyway its your types who get Bush in office ... cheer him on into creating anotherr war ... and here we are again ..... in some stupid war we don't need to be in. That's why all this pisses me off . Why don't we as a people try to learn something along the way...

Now please answer this question ....is there any reason today's military aged conservatives have their asses parked at home while this president they so love needs their service in Iraq? Yes that pisses me off too..... next thing you know we'll need a draft again. .... So, you defend it.... after all you did the same thing and seem quite proud of it.



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[DiscoMan]

As I said Remicks - you don't know what you're talking about. They ran to Canada to run away from the draft, pure and simple. To be sure there may have been a few who ran away for sincere "concientious objector" reasons, however they could have filed for bona fide concientious objector status with their local selective service board.

I don't care if you find my characterization of them offensive.

Talk to some draftees from those days - ask them why they didn't run away to Canada. Read a few histories (from BOTH points of view) of the anti-war movement - you may learn something, though I would expect you to reject the lesson as it doesn't fit into your high and mighty liberal world view.

The draftees and deserters who ran away to Canada were cowards and felons and never should have been pardoned by that cracker, Jimmy Carter.

Vote for Osama Obama for POTUS? WHy? He has no experience in world affairs and has done nothing in domestic affairs. He's as big a Z-E-R-O as John Kerry.

His candidacy would make it impossible for Her Thighness to run and that would be a good thing. I would hope that after 20 years of Bushes and Clintons the American People are tired of both of them.

[paul]

Nice try at obfuscating DM
I believe the question was: Now please answer this question ....is there any reason today's military aged conservatives have their asses parked at home while this president they so love needs their service in Iraq?

remicks, I think we know the answer for this don't we

[DiscoMan]

No and I would imagime many military aged conservatives are on active duty. We surely don't have to worry about military aged liberals serving in their places or at all...

Liberal = pacifist.